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Hey folks,
I can proudly announce our next GosuCup tournament Series with a prize pool of €1500 (app. $2000)
The first place winner will take home €900, €450 for the runner-up and €150 will go to the third place winner. There will be four qualification tournaments where the top two players advance to a final tournament to decide the winner.
Two GosuCups for the US server, and two for the European server. The first qualification cup will be held already this upcoming weekend, starting at 18:00 EDT for the US qualifiers, and 18:00 CET for the European qualifiers.
Each qualification tournament is open for 256 players, with the three first rounds being best of one, and from there all the games will be best of three, including the final.
We will provide streams of as many games as possible, but the tournament is open for other medias to cast as well, contact Marko@gosugamers.net if you're interested. All players should meet up in #GosuGamers.SC2 at Quakenet on IRC.
You guys should also hurry for the check-in, because with only 256 places it will be full real quick 
The link to the actual news and the sign-ups:
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12759-gosucup-open-for-all-tournament-with-1-500
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i registered w/o the identifier so i canceled it to re-register and now i cant register at allO_O
Went on and registered for the rest of em, and then was able to re-register for the first one after all.
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You should be able to register tho, maybe you should wait a little to register, but if it doesn't work send me a pm and I'll see what I can do
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nevrmind me, figured it out!
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Edit: just when I answered you lol
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wait so i have to put my identifier in? how do i do that?
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Registered 
edit: how do i get onto IRC? Do I just download mIRC and search for the channel?
edit #2: do i have to pay for mIRC like it says?
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you don't have to pay for mirc, you just dl it and connect to the quakenet server and then you can join the channel by basically typing /j #gosugamers.sc2
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I'm assuming you're only allowed to register for one of the qualifiers, is this correct?
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you can register for every qualifier, but if you make it top2, so you're qualified for the top 8 tour, then you are not allowed to participate in the remaining ones
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how do u register/add identifier ? sorry im an idiot apparently
nvm i did it!
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On August 13 2010 10:17 HuK wrote:
how do u register/add identifier ? sorry im an idiot apparently
follow the link in the op, look at the schedule of the different qualifiers and on the right there should be big bold/caps links that say SIGN UPS. thats how you register and add identifier
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so this starts at 6:00 EST in the US correct? or 1800 EST as you put it.
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wait so i dont understand this to qualify for some tournament at the end, and both us + eu players come together to play in this final tournament?
if so what server? becuz since release there has been HUGE delay issues for people trying to play cross realm
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uh i registered but how do i enter my identifier?
I put in my username w/o identifier then i noticed all the names had an identifier next to it. Where do i add it?
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On August 13 2010 12:46 HuK wrote:
wait so i dont understand this to qualify for some tournament at the end, and both us + eu players come together to play in this final tournament?
if so what server? becuz since release there has been HUGE delay issues for people trying to play cross realm
I think what the OP means is there are 2 Gosucup Tournament for each server.
So this one is US server, may be the next one will be on EU so on so forth...
I dont think this is a cross realm tourney
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The finals are cross realm.
And they will be played on the EU server.
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On August 13 2010 21:39 hyouro wrote:
The finals are cross realm.
And they will be played on the EU server.
well that sucks then because like i said from a day to day basis from us > eu or eu > us people have been having huge delay issues
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did blizzard changed something again? in the beta the delay from eu too us was not bad at all
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I haven't had bad delay issues playing on EU at least from what I've seen..
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so is this open to anyone? i couldnt find anything about specific skill level requirements :S
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On August 14 2010 00:43 Knutzi wrote:
did blizzard changed something again? in the beta the delay from eu too us was not bad at all
yea during beta wasnt really an issue unless all of battle.net was lagging but ive talked to a few top players who are having same issues as me, it varies time to time but sometimes it can be EXTREMELY bad and 3-4 second delay on units
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i have a question. i registered for this tournament but i would like to know when does this tournament actually start
i know i confirm the message but after i confirm it does it start right then? orrr what goes on?
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On August 14 2010 04:13 SC.Shifty wrote:
so is this open to anyone? i couldnt find anything about specific skill level requirements :S
Yes the tournament is open to anyone
On August 14 2010 05:00 roymarthyup wrote:
i have a question. i registered for this tournament but i would like to know when does this tournament actually start
i know i confirm the message but after i confirm it does it start right then? orrr what goes on?
The US tournament starts August the 14th 18:00 EDT and 30 minute prior to that the confirmation time for the tournament starts, so 17:30 EDT you should be there to confirm your participation
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I don't have a . inbetween my username and identifier is that ok?
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On August 14 2010 05:17 MarCoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:13 SC.Shifty wrote:
so is this open to anyone? i couldnt find anything about specific skill level requirements :S Yes the tournament is open to anyone Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:00 roymarthyup wrote:
i have a question. i registered for this tournament but i would like to know when does this tournament actually start
i know i confirm the message but after i confirm it does it start right then? orrr what goes on? The US tournament starts August the 14th 18:00 EDT and 30 minute prior to that the confirmation time for the tournament starts, so 17:30 EDT you should be there to confirm your participation
im not really good on timezones it would be awesome if there was someone in this thread typing "tourny starts in 10 hours" then "tourny starts in 5 hours" then "tourny starts in 2 hours" then "30 minute confirmation time is now"
would be awesome if someone could do that. doesnt have to be gosuguys just anyone whos good with timezones do it pleaseeee
anyone out there can do it in this thread would help some ppl out i bet
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Tournament starts at 6pm Eastern Time. 5pm Central Time. 4pm Mountain Time. 3pm Pacific Time.
Easy enough?
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so that means the tournament starts in 4 hours i think
is that correct?
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where do we check in?
Edit: Also, how do you type in the IRC I'm in but my infallible enter button is not working.
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isn't this tour tomorrow?
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today and confirm is up now.
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Confirmed. Can't wait to play!
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i dont use irc, so i cant use the qualifiers chat =/
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This website is frustrating, I can't tell whether I got checked in or not even though i clicked it a million times, and I can't view the brackets to check either =(
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i think i didnt get checked in...
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I'm trying to confirm it won't let me and hasn't for 20 mins. I can't see brackets can anyone see brackets?
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On August 15 2010 07:08 iEchoic wrote:
I'm trying to confirm it won't let me and hasn't for 20 mins. I can't see brackets can anyone see brackets?
I also cannot see brackets. Also the screen has reverted from the "waiting for player message" back to the "players are being seeded message."
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I don't think it let me confirm but I don't know.
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Confirmed, ready when u r... get those brsackets up 
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This is the message I am getting now and I'm almost positive I successfully confirmed. Are you getting this?
"The players are currently being seeded by the tournament administrator. As soon as it is done the brackets will be available at this page after a refresh. This might take between one and 20 minutes depending on the size of the tournament. Thank you for your patience. "
Edit: Now the bracket is up, but my name is not included in it. However the status says "waiting for opponent, awaiting results from a match." But I'm not on the bracket at all?
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i Confirmed also right at 530 promptly EST. and im not in the bracket either.
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I didn't get in the bracket but I tried to confirm multiple times. Any way this can get fixed? No reason to have a ton of free wins at the bottom of the bracket...
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wtf one guy is playing no one until round 4.
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On August 15 2010 07:19 Tigersmith wrote:
wtf one guy is playing no one until round 4.
Actually until the quarterfinal lol. He goes onto the next page.
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i don't understand why all these tournaments have Bo1 until very late in tourney, it doesn't really support the strongest players to get in.
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wat a shit storm
i think TO's should start doing test runs and stuff to make sure they are prepared when the tournament actually begins, its ridiculous that most tournaments are actually eelayed like 1-2 hours because something messes up
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I don't understand why my many confirmation attempts didn't work 
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That really blows, I wanted to play in this. There's not that many good players in it possibly due to technical problems, good chance the people who qualify will be a letdown. Not sure what was up with the confirmation, I wish they'd manually seed people who couldn't get it to work.
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i think they will fix the bracket because i know i confirmed and wasn't put in, but now they remaking brackets we shall see
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Anyone else's brackets look like this?
![[image loading]](http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/5313/bracketfail.png)
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My brackets look normal but there is still some IronV guy at the bottom who has auto-wins until the quarter finals, and neither you (iEchoic) nor I nor HuK are in the brackets
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Looks like it's fixed when I use chrome instead of firefox. Maybe that messed up my confirmation too? Dunno. Sites should really work with the second-most popular browser on the internet. Thanks cade.
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for some reason im not checked in can some1 fix this? T_T
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Wtf, how did HuK and a bunch of other players get in and not me when we had the same problems -_-
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guys brackets are being fixed so dont play ur games just yet, we will definitely let you guys know when they are done
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On August 15 2010 07:54 Puremiss wrote:
guys brackets are being fixed so dont play ur games just yet, we will definitely let you guys know when they are done
Ty for update.
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if you're up against darrenc, take the walkover win
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I played my opponent, won, then brackets changed, then I played another opponent (for 1st round still), won, and then brackets changed again... fml
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=( yeah I think that has happened to a few people, but at least you are in the brackets eh!
I still haven't shown up in the brackets, and admins aren't PMing back so I think it's time to go play some ladder =D
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imo using IRC to communicate for the tournament is a bad idea, many people dont use IRC or even know how to use it, much less have the program already installed. having to do so JUST to play in a tournament is going to get alot less participants
i say this because it says that reporting via site is disabled
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Can I be put in the brackets please. I confirmed but nothing has happened.
Seal.736
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On August 15 2010 08:08 PhiliBiRD wrote:
imo using IRC to communicate for the tournament is a bad idea, many people dont use IRC or even know how to use it, much less have the program already installed. having to do so JUST to play in a tournament is going to get alot less participants
i say this because it says that reporting via site is disabled
IRC is the best method to use until blizzard implements chat channels. If you've ever used the internet and don't know how to use IRC then...I don't know what to tell you. It's extremely simple.
Go here: http://webchat.quakenet.org/
Type in your ID and #GosuGamers.SC2
Ta-da. IRC.
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IRC is like the easiest program ever and has been around since the beginning of time. Just learn it, lol.
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msv beating huk 2-0 was such a funny series of games. Quick attack with marauders, then expand (on less than 20 probes), then make 5 barracks, make more marauders and marines.. then when the gas is piling up, just push out marines and make 4 starports pumping out banshees. Huk had no answer to this in either games..
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Msv taking down the big names again eh?
This guy comes out of nowhere in one of the GosuCoaching Weeklies and 3-0's QXC with a completely unorthodox build. Now he's done the same to Huk.
Really makes you wonder.
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Enjoyed that series quite a bit.
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for some reason i think that msv = yosh
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On August 15 2010 10:35 Azarkon wrote:Msv taking down the big names again eh? This guy comes out of nowhere in the last GosuCoaching Weekly and 3-0's QXC with a completely unorthodox build. Now he's done the same to Huk. Really makes you wonder.
Seriously, who is this guy?
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msv is a French Canadian who practices often with European players, it's why he doesn't ladder very much.
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huk's mistake was that he tried to attack terran
ur supposed to just never attack them (unless u have void rays and they dont have anti air)
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On August 15 2010 10:33 wintergt wrote:
msv beating huk 2-0 was such a funny series of games. Quick attack with marauders, then expand (on less than 20 probes), then make 5 barracks, make more marauders and marines.. then when the gas is piling up, just push out marines and make 4 starports pumping out banshees. Huk had no answer to this in either games..
I think MSV's builds are all very carefully crafted to hit specific timings - not much hand waving at all. This guy definitely knows his stuff, more so than almost all other players I've seen. Now, I'm not sure if his builds can/can't be improved on, but they seem to do a wonder on the existing strategies.
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On August 15 2010 10:35 Azarkon wrote:Msv taking down the big names again eh? This guy comes out of nowhere in the last GosuCoaching Weekly and 3-0's QXC with a completely unorthodox build. Now he's done the same to Huk. Really makes you wonder.
i dont think gosucoaching has been bo5 for like over 2 months now, and drewbie won the last weekly; ur mistaken
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On August 15 2010 10:49 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 10:33 wintergt wrote:
msv beating huk 2-0 was such a funny series of games. Quick attack with marauders, then expand (on less than 20 probes), then make 5 barracks, make more marauders and marines.. then when the gas is piling up, just push out marines and make 4 starports pumping out banshees. Huk had no answer to this in either games.. I think MSV's builds are all very carefully crafted to hit specific timings - not much hand waving at all. This guy definitely knows his stuff, more so than almost all other players I've seen. Now, I'm not sure if his builds can/can't be improved on, but they seem to do a wonder on the existing strategies.
He did the same thing vs huks 1 base as he did when huk had his third up, both against robo and templar tech
If his build was timed at all he would have been switching addons etc, he obviously knew he was going to go for after he got his expansion but you're giving him too much credit to say he's hitting timings. He wasn't even controlling his banshees he just a-moved them. Huk lost because he played terrible
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Wow, Morrow, + Show Spoiler +how does this guy get up from 20 vs 34 scvs, with Emperor having tanks and banshees, while Morrow just mm. Very very resilient plays in their first game.
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Huk had a chance to win the games i thought. I thought trading his army in the first game was a huge mistake. I just don't think it is ever good for a toss to trade armies. I also did not like the lack of scouting after losing the first obs. Anyway, it was an interesting set of games to watch.
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On August 15 2010 10:56 HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 10:35 Azarkon wrote:Msv taking down the big names again eh? This guy comes out of nowhere in the last GosuCoaching Weekly and 3-0's QXC with a completely unorthodox build. Now he's done the same to Huk. Really makes you wonder. i dont think gosucoaching has been bo5 for like over 2 months now, and drewbie won the last weekly; ur mistaken
Yea I don't mean the last GosuCoaching, sorry. It was one a while ago. I remember it clearly because everybody was in similar hysterics after Msv 3-0'd Qxc with a one Thor rush build.
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On August 15 2010 10:57 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 10:49 Azarkon wrote:On August 15 2010 10:33 wintergt wrote:
msv beating huk 2-0 was such a funny series of games. Quick attack with marauders, then expand (on less than 20 probes), then make 5 barracks, make more marauders and marines.. then when the gas is piling up, just push out marines and make 4 starports pumping out banshees. Huk had no answer to this in either games.. I think MSV's builds are all very carefully crafted to hit specific timings - not much hand waving at all. This guy definitely knows his stuff, more so than almost all other players I've seen. Now, I'm not sure if his builds can/can't be improved on, but they seem to do a wonder on the existing strategies. He did the same thing vs huks 1 base as he did when huk had his third up, both against robo and templar tech If his build was timed at all he would have been switching addons etc, he obviously knew he was going to go for after he got his expansion but you're giving him too much credit to say he's hitting timings. He wasn't even controlling his banshees he just a-moved them. Huk lost because he played terrible
By hitting timings, I mean he's hitting timings that he himself has aimed for, not timings targeted specifically towards Huk's build. If you'll notice, at one point in the early game of game 2 he was behind by like 8 SCVs to Huk's probes. I suspect he might've been cutting SCVs just to get that expo up. This sort of precision typically means he knows what the timings that he must hit to be safe and to be effective.
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Lol at all the unknown terrans in tournaments winning this stuff.
And people than say , oh , but hes high on ladder..
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why are there 2 europeans in the top 4 of the US qualifier... ?
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On August 15 2010 10:56 HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 10:35 Azarkon wrote:Msv taking down the big names again eh? This guy comes out of nowhere in the last GosuCoaching Weekly and 3-0's QXC with a completely unorthodox build. Now he's done the same to Huk. Really makes you wonder. i dont think gosucoaching has been bo5 for like over 2 months now, and drewbie won the last weekly; ur mistaken
Yeah, he got the date wrong, but msv did actually 3-0 qxc in a Gosucoaching Weekly finals in the beta. It was number 4 or 5.
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Heh... commentators talking about using storm before morphing archons, when the archons were clearly made from the DTs. ~_~
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The date is wrong for this qualifier on TL's Tournament Tracker. I was ready to play for this tournament tomorrow night, the 15th. Sigh.
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Why does Haypro keep floating 1-2k minerals? -_- The time must be getting to him.
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On August 15 2010 12:20 Jyvblamo wrote:
Heh... commentators talking about using storm before morphing archons, when the archons were clearly made from the DTs. ~_~
PHEW good thing i didnt say the same thing xD
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On August 15 2010 12:20 Jyvblamo wrote:
Heh... commentators talking about using storm before morphing archons, when the archons were clearly made from the DTs. ~_~
I was a little concerned with their lack of observation. NO HT's anywhere on the map lol
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Those 4 hours of casting really get to you after a while
apologies.
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On August 15 2010 11:56 Xeris wrote:
why are there 2 europeans in the top 4 of the US qualifier... ?
Also interested by this.
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On August 15 2010 14:43 JoshSuth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 11:56 Xeris wrote:
why are there 2 europeans in the top 4 of the US qualifier... ? Also interested by this.
I'm pretty sure they are just labeled "NA" and "EU" because of the servers they are on... It has nothing to do with limiting the players by location.
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because its open for everyone, US qualifier meaning that its played on the US servers and the time a bit more convenient for US players. and analogous case for the EU qualifiers.
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This stream is unbearably laggy for me.
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HuK being an utter moron again about streamers...
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On August 16 2010 06:15 Longshank wrote:
HuK being an utter moron again about streamers...
And BigT claiming the tournament was his to Gosugamers official streamers..
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Well, BigT is an official caster of the tournament. If BigT simply jumped in without an invite they'd have the right to boot him, but they set him as an official caster so...
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He honestly shouldn't be allowed to cast tournaments when on shitty livestream, not to mention having prority over the official Ustream casters. GG should get rid of him for the finals.
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That's GG's decision, not ours. I'd say they're using BigT because he has a lot of loyal viewers. More viewers is typically better for sponsors.
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He honestly shouldn't be allowed to cast tournaments when on shitty livestream, not to mention having prority over the official Ustream casters. GG should get rid of him for the finals.
lol as long as we get different games done everybody is happy. Also, afaik BigT is also official caster. Anyway, calm down lol
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Just wondering... why isn't BigT a featured streamer on TL? Does he have a bad history with the TL community or what?
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On August 16 2010 06:33 dragonblade369 wrote:Show nested quote +He honestly shouldn't be allowed to cast tournaments when on shitty livestream, not to mention having prority over the official Ustream casters. GG should get rid of him for the finals. lol as long as we get different games done everybody is happy. Also, afaik BigT is also official caster. Anyway, calm down lol
That's my point, livestream can't handle that many viewers so HuK vs Morrow was unwatchable for a lot of people. That's annoying since there was a stream that could handle it in the first game. Unfortunately that one got kicked out due to BigT being a friend to HuK.
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its an issue of lag/delay, i said i had no problem but when it lags/delays then yea 1 streamer or 0 streamers are staying. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
i will not sacrifice the quality of games just so they can watched live with tons of lag/delay
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On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;(
contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees.
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On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
its an issue of lag/delay, i said i had no problem but when it lags/delays then yea 1 streamer or 0 streamers are staying. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
i will not sacrifice the quality of games just so they can watched live with tons of lag/delay
Without people watching there would be no tournament. Unless it's run by King Ansadi.
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^ It depends on what the organizers want. TSL 2 was successful with only replay casting, and honestly live casting is a bit of a pain with Blizzard's net code, so yeah, I do think it's a privilege unless the masses refuse to watch replays, in which case the sponsors take precedence.
It's all about the sponsors, ultimately. We (the viewers) only matter insofar as we are able to influence the sponsors, since we don't have to pay a cent if we don't want to.
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is there anyone who found replay packages or something alike of the first qualifier cup, i have been able to only find the both semi finals so far, any info would be appreciated
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On August 16 2010 07:02 Azarkon wrote:
^ It depends on what the organizers want. TSL 2 was successful with only replay casting, and honestly live casting is a bit of a pain with Blizzard's net code, so yeah, I do think it's a privilege unless the masses refuse to watch replays, in which case the sponsors take precedence.
It's all about the sponsors, ultimately. We (the viewers) only matter insofar as we are able to influence the sponsors, since we don't have to pay a cent if we don't want to.
Good points. It's about the sponsors and the viewers.
Not about what Huk wants. It might be a privilege but a privilege provided by the sponsor and the organizers, not Huk, hence he has no right to make that call.
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No Terrans in last 4, shame really
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On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
its an issue of lag/delay, i said i had no problem but when it lags/delays then yea 1 streamer or 0 streamers are staying. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
i will not sacrifice the quality of games just so they can watched live with tons of lag/delay
That's fine, but no one asked you to sacrifice anything. But when it lags and one stream has to go you kick out the official stream with the highest capacity in favor for your bud, thatäs just messed up. And what makes you think it's your call to begin with?
BigT was asked to leave by the organizers but didn't.
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On August 16 2010 12:14 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
its an issue of lag/delay, i said i had no problem but when it lags/delays then yea 1 streamer or 0 streamers are staying. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
i will not sacrifice the quality of games just so they can watched live with tons of lag/delay That's fine, but no one asked you to sacrifice anything. But when it lags and one stream has to go you kick out the official stream with the highest capacity in favor for your bud, thatäs just messed up. And what makes you think it's your call to begin with? BigT was asked to leave by the organizers but didn't.
well like i have said before i have no problem streaming but when there is lag/delay i would rather be only 1 streamer (don't really need multiple streamers), at which point i was told that bigt was official streamer and the others were randoms who were lying.
try to look at it from a players perspective of getting mass spammed all the time from 20 different people wanting to cast the game and claiming to be this or that.
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On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees.
games dont have to be live to be watched
live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players.
honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream.
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On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream.
There was one Bo3 in this tourney that everyone in my vent was pretty convinced the guy was being fed info from the stream. Would be nice if there was a delay on it at least. Knowing someone is faking an expo or switches tech after being scouted is pretty key.
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anyone have a link to the vods or replays?
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On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream.
live casting is a standard for any sport, apart from something that is impossible to get live casted- i.e. rallying.
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^ yep, haypro vs lastshadow and huk vs socke on the half hour
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On August 17 2010 00:45 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream. live casting is a standard for any sport, apart from something that is impossible to get live casted- i.e. rallying.
Live casting for others sports can't somehow lend to cheating extremely easily... it can in esports like this. When the casters or organizers find a way to delay a stream by a couple of minutes it will become a non-issue (well, on the cheating end at least). I care more about the integrity of the matches than I do about knowing I see something EXACTLY when it occurs... especially when it's not like we can see player's reactions anyhow.
btw: Go Haypro.
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Was lastshadow always this good? Given all of the ridicule he's gotten here I thought the guy would be much worse.
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On August 17 2010 02:54 Slow Motion wrote:
Was lastshadow always this good? Given all of the ridicule he's gotten here I thought the guy would be much worse.
I just hopped into the stream, was that his first game against Haypro?
He came back from a big difference. I'm surprised Haypro didn't have infestors out to deal with the MMM.
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Wow I thought Haypro had the game but I guess Zerg really is awful.
And yes, LS is very good. He is better than Kawaii at least from what is said.
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On August 17 2010 02:54 Slow Motion wrote:
Was lastshadow always this good? Given all of the ridicule he's gotten here I thought the guy would be much worse.
Depends on the maps...
I keeed I keeed.
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On August 17 2010 03:08 KamuL wrote:
ls is considered one of the best T's in the foreign scene right now o.o and he just started july 27th basically xd
You're so cute! cute cute q t pie.
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Even by Zerg standards, Haypro seems to be horrendous versus Terran.
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ls reaper micro is unfair xd
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man it seems like these top zergs cant even touch LS's pure reaper strategy. They seem dumbfounded about what really to do against it. While watching, I noticed LS using his reapers in familiar spots over and over again on the maps. Knowing this, why wouldnt the zerg tech to banelings while researching burrow. Burrow 1-2 banelings in the spots that LS constantly abuses (the ramp area/side of the main) and just detonate them without unburrowing as he flies over top.
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On August 17 2010 02:54 Slow Motion wrote:
Was lastshadow always this good? Given all of the ridicule he's gotten here I thought the guy would be much worse.
Lastshadow was actually quite a good BW player, he was just involved in a map-fixing scandal that made him seem much better than he was. But he always had the underlying mechanics to be a decent player. With the advent of SC2 and the much lower current skill ceiling, it's no surprise that he's a contender at fairly high levels.
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On August 17 2010 03:35 eXigent. wrote:
man it seems like these top zergs cant even touch LS's pure reaper strategy. They seem dumbfounded about what really to do against it. While watching, I noticed LS using his reapers in familiar spots over and over again on the maps. Knowing this, why wouldnt the zerg tech to banelings while researching burrow. Burrow 1-2 banelings in the spots that LS constantly abuses (the ramp area/side of the main) and just detonate them without unburrowing as he flies over top.
sheth tried this yesterday vs him and got destroyed by it still. D:
and in the game vs catz ls forces back roaches with perfect micro yet again, so roaches off creep dont work vs him either.
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On August 17 2010 02:38 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 00:45 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream. live casting is a standard for any sport, apart from something that is impossible to get live casted- i.e. rallying. Live casting for others sports can't somehow lend to cheating extremely easily... it can in esports like this. When the casters or organizers find a way to delay a stream by a couple of minutes it will become a non-issue (well, on the cheating end at least). I care more about the integrity of the matches than I do about knowing I see something EXACTLY when it occurs... especially when it's not like we can see player's reactions anyhow. btw: Go Haypro.
most streams are delayed by a couple of minutes, and as far as cheating in real sport goes - waht about chess?
What about steroids? Match fixing? cough cough.
Integrity will always take the backseat to entertainment value.
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On August 17 2010 03:35 eXigent. wrote:
man it seems like these top zergs cant even touch LS's pure reaper strategy. They seem dumbfounded about what really to do against it. While watching, I noticed LS using his reapers in familiar spots over and over again on the maps. Knowing this, why wouldnt the zerg tech to banelings while researching burrow. Burrow 1-2 banelings in the spots that LS constantly abuses (the ramp area/side of the main) and just detonate them without unburrowing as he flies over top.
i've straight up baneling busted LS when he went reapers vs me.
He raged.
Brag?
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On August 17 2010 03:49 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 02:38 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 17 2010 00:45 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream. live casting is a standard for any sport, apart from something that is impossible to get live casted- i.e. rallying. Live casting for others sports can't somehow lend to cheating extremely easily... it can in esports like this. When the casters or organizers find a way to delay a stream by a couple of minutes it will become a non-issue (well, on the cheating end at least). I care more about the integrity of the matches than I do about knowing I see something EXACTLY when it occurs... especially when it's not like we can see player's reactions anyhow. btw: Go Haypro. most streams are delayed by a couple of minutes, and as far as cheating in real sport goes - waht about chess? What about steroids? Match fixing? cough cough. Integrity will always take the backseat to entertainment value.
Most streams aren't delayed. Over long, long casts where people don't refresh it begins to widen the gap though. I'm glad you're justifying the existence of possible cheating because people in other areas of competitions have done it. Do games have a little more interest when they're casted live? Yes, but it has even less of an impact when we can't see player/fan reaction because all we have are what the commentators choose to say or not say at the moment.
With a legitimate amount of money on the line in some cases, ways to prevent cheating (when it's extremely easy to do) should be taken. Also, match fixing and steroids both spurred investigations to punish and prevent it from happening; all you're suggesting it ignoring.
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On August 17 2010 04:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 03:49 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 17 2010 02:38 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 17 2010 00:45 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream. live casting is a standard for any sport, apart from something that is impossible to get live casted- i.e. rallying. Live casting for others sports can't somehow lend to cheating extremely easily... it can in esports like this. When the casters or organizers find a way to delay a stream by a couple of minutes it will become a non-issue (well, on the cheating end at least). I care more about the integrity of the matches than I do about knowing I see something EXACTLY when it occurs... especially when it's not like we can see player's reactions anyhow. btw: Go Haypro. most streams are delayed by a couple of minutes, and as far as cheating in real sport goes - waht about chess? What about steroids? Match fixing? cough cough. Integrity will always take the backseat to entertainment value. Most streams aren't delayed. Over long, long casts where people don't refresh it begins to widen the gap though. I'm glad you're justifying the existence of possible cheating because people in other areas of competitions have done it. Do games have a little more interest when they're casted live? Yes, but it has even less of an impact when we can't see player/fan reaction because all we have are what the commentators choose to say or not say at the moment.
Well the russian streamers are most definitely running with delay, and i dont see what is stopping anyone else from running witha delay. Its a non-argument.
With a legitimate amount of money on the line in some cases, ways to prevent cheating (when it's extremely easy to do) should be taken. Also, match fixing and steroids both spurred investigations to punish and prevent it from happening; all you're suggesting it ignoring.
Just like BP's oil spill launched investigation. There is an illusion of integrity. There is nothing in way of prevetion, just an attempt at distancing.
I am not suggesting ignoring it. I am just saying there is no way around streaming it live. Think about how to make streams better for everyone not about reasons not to make a stream in the first place.
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On August 17 2010 04:08 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 04:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 17 2010 03:49 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 17 2010 02:38 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 17 2010 00:45 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 19:11 IdrA wrote:On August 16 2010 06:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 16 2010 06:52 HuK wrote:
. watch these games live is a privilege dont feel so entitled
it's not;( contrary to waht you might believe money dont grow on trees. games dont have to be live to be watched live streaming introduces so many problems, all tournaments should broadcast from replays a round behind the players. honestly i have no idea how live streaming became the norm for these kinds of tournaments. god knows how many lag issues there have been and how many people have cheated off the stream. live casting is a standard for any sport, apart from something that is impossible to get live casted- i.e. rallying. Live casting for others sports can't somehow lend to cheating extremely easily... it can in esports like this. When the casters or organizers find a way to delay a stream by a couple of minutes it will become a non-issue (well, on the cheating end at least). I care more about the integrity of the matches than I do about knowing I see something EXACTLY when it occurs... especially when it's not like we can see player's reactions anyhow. btw: Go Haypro. most streams are delayed by a couple of minutes, and as far as cheating in real sport goes - waht about chess? What about steroids? Match fixing? cough cough. Integrity will always take the backseat to entertainment value. Most streams aren't delayed. Over long, long casts where people don't refresh it begins to widen the gap though. I'm glad you're justifying the existence of possible cheating because people in other areas of competitions have done it. Do games have a little more interest when they're casted live? Yes, but it has even less of an impact when we can't see player/fan reaction because all we have are what the commentators choose to say or not say at the moment. Well the russian streamers are most definitely running with delay, and i dont see what is stopping anyone else from running witha delay. Its a non-argument. Show nested quote +
With a legitimate amount of money on the line in some cases, ways to prevent cheating (when it's extremely easy to do) should be taken. Also, match fixing and steroids both spurred investigations to punish and prevent it from happening; all you're suggesting it ignoring.
Just like BP's oil spill launched investigation. There is an illusion of integrity. There is nothing in way of prevetion, just an attempt at distancing. I am not suggesting ignoring it. I am just saying there is no way around streaming it live. Think about how to make streams better for everyone not about reasons not to make a stream in the first place.
I specifically state that there should be a delay. That's all. All that's needed is for each and every streamer in serious tournaments to do so and it becomes a non-issue. Don't read into this like I'm trying to piss on the holy grail or dig up the remains of the virgin mary to desecrate. This isn't about BP, steroids, or chess. It's about a solution to cheating to appease players and viewers with the essential need for "live streams" to help increase viewership.
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On August 17 2010 04:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I specifically state that there should be a delay. That's all. All that's needed is for each and every streamer in serious tournaments to do so and it becomes a non-issue. Don't read into this like I'm trying to piss on the holy grail or dig up the remains of the virgin mary to desecrate. This isn't about BP, steroids, or chess. It's about a solution to cheating to appease players and viewers with the essential need for "live streams" to help increase viewership.
Well the problem is modern streaming technology is built around the idea that they deliver as little as a delay as possible. And I have talked to every important person in both Ustream and Livestream before and they cannot add one.
This is why we did the ITL GP off of replays.
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wait what, lastshadow is not asian?
I could swear i saw him being asian at some wcg event a few years back.
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On August 17 2010 03:37 KamuL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 03:35 eXigent. wrote:
man it seems like these top zergs cant even touch LS's pure reaper strategy. They seem dumbfounded about what really to do against it. While watching, I noticed LS using his reapers in familiar spots over and over again on the maps. Knowing this, why wouldnt the zerg tech to banelings while researching burrow. Burrow 1-2 banelings in the spots that LS constantly abuses (the ramp area/side of the main) and just detonate them without unburrowing as he flies over top. sheth tried this yesterday vs him and got destroyed by it still. D: and in the game vs catz ls forces back roaches with perfect micro yet again, so roaches off creep dont work vs him either.
What are you roomates with him or something? Stop stroking. =)
In all seriousness, LS is going to turn a lot of heads if he hasn't already. Very skilled.
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On August 17 2010 04:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 04:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I specifically state that there should be a delay. That's all. All that's needed is for each and every streamer in serious tournaments to do so and it becomes a non-issue. Don't read into this like I'm trying to piss on the holy grail or dig up the remains of the virgin mary to desecrate. This isn't about BP, steroids, or chess. It's about a solution to cheating to appease players and viewers with the essential need for "live streams" to help increase viewership. Well the problem is modern streaming technology is built around the idea that they deliver as little as a delay as possible. And I have talked to every important person in both Ustream and Livestream before and they cannot add one. This is why we did the ITL GP off of replays.
Oh, I'm aware of the issue. There was a bunch of debate about it both in the HDH and many prior tournaments in the past. I'm not saying it's easy, and I honestly don't know if there's an easy way to do it with ustream/jtv/livestream. But, it's something that has to be figured out if people plan to use those services for serious streaming of live events. Until then, as you came to the same conclusion, replays are the only safe way to do them.
Further, casting off of replays has fewer hiccups caused by caster/player/obs drama or delays for various reasons. Gives further credence to why iccup has their shit together.
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On August 17 2010 04:43 Sfydjklm wrote:
wait what, lastshadow is not asian?
I could swear i saw him being asian at some wcg event a few years back.
he's a weird looking white kid
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Did the number of participants really increase? It says
Players: 0 (confirmed) 347 (registered) 512 (maximum) now.
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My first tournament entry, can't wait! Very excited, gl gg all!
Also, ICON! woot 
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The US #2 Qualifier is today Saturday the 21st right? Just asking because the start time on there web site under the tournaments tab says the 22nd. Also anyone know the check in time for EST?
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you can confirm right now, but the tourny is supposed to start in 10 mins and I dont see a bracket anywhere
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Waiting for enough.
Bracket should be coming soon.
See ya at the top!
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How do I confirm? Did I miss it
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Umm it says I'm matched up against someone but doesn't give identifier number and when I click on name it gives me no1 with this id exists on gosugamers.
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On August 22 2010 07:08 CagedMind wrote:
Umm it says I'm matched up against someone but doesn't give identifier number and when I click on name it gives me no1 with this id exists on gosugamers.
Yes, i forsee this being a problem in my future rounds
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Yea, my opponent had no identifier information in their name or their profile, so I waited for them to contact me, but instead they just reported a ff win and got moved on in the brackets.
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I want msv vs machine to be casted. Is there someone I should try to contact.
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I have a hankering msv = yosh
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"no, yosh fucking blows
and he got caught maphacking
and win trading
he's guy from UC berkeley
who got caught cheating in the team liquid tourney"
I don't think msv played bw.
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On August 22 2010 07:53 CauthonLuck wrote:
Yea, my opponent had no identifier information in their name or their profile, so I waited for them to contact me, but instead they just reported a ff win and got moved on in the brackets.
This is not what happened and I hope this is just a big misunderstanding.
Your opponent was on IRC and the website and in game. You were not on bnet and he messaged you through the site and waited for you. Because he did not get any contact from you and you did not log onto bnet he had to receive a forfeit win because those are the rules and the tournament can not be delayed too long. He waited for 10-15 minutes but the rules of the tourney are the rules of the tourney.
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Shouldn't this have started at 12:00 EST?
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On August 22 2010 08:58 CagedMind wrote:
"no, yosh fucking blows
and he got caught maphacking
and win trading
he's guy from UC berkeley
who got caught cheating in the team liquid tourney"
I don't think msv played bw.
this is the exact bullshit people tried to do to ls, and its not going to fly with yosh.
he NEVER hacked. the cheating was all circumstancial, it could never be 100% proven.
he is the most mannered player ever, and anyone that knew he from sc1 revered him as one of the best mechnical Terrans the foreign scene had ever seen.
stops spreading lies, especially when you know nothing.
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My round 2 opponent got an admin win and was already playing his next game before I knew. I finished my first game very quickly so I thought I had tons of time, but apparently 18:20 was "too late" for 2nd game of tourney that started at 18:00.. even though most people were still arranging games for round 1 and 2 at that time...
Such a badly run tournament.
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when will the finals be played.
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EPT
