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ESL Viking Cup!
If you're from the Nordic countries and love your StarCraft 2. Try it out as an eSport and get competitive! There's no better way to start out than in ESL Viking Cup! Both amateurs and pros battle in this Nordic only tournament held every Thursday. Be sure to sign up or at least watch the stream, learn more by clicking the spoiler below:
+ Show Spoiler [All facts] +
Go check out our site for VODs, replay packs, brackets, rankings and more.
- ESL|TheBeard
(Left ESL admin staff as organizer of ESL Viking Cup 2010-10-27 to only focus on streaming esports)
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#1 didnt go so smooth because of new patch but now it should be alot better
u should remove that viking and put in ur face instead because its more hardcore :D
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Yes MorroW, it will indeed go much smoother. Everything went wrong with #1 but hey, it was the first one. Murphy had his way with that one.
If you guys want to know more about Viking Cup #1, read the summary!
I'm counting on you in #2 MorroW, GL HF!
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Oh my I would love to give this a go! But alas I have a stupid exam in discrete mathematics that friday 
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I loved the first tournament (propably because I got cut before the patch :E) and I hope everybody joins! Keep up the good work ESL!
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That's an awful looking viking. Looks more like Saruman than a viking. It would look better with a picture of Varg Vikernes in the banner.
Local tournaments are pretty fun. Aussies had one just today.
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Morning bump, don't miss out this Thursday guys!
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Moderators, please move this thread to the StarCraft 2 Tournaments please.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Done. Hopefully I won't miss this one =]
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Do you mind adding the wiki link for the tourney into the thread? :D
 ESL Viking Cup
Feel free to update it with results too n_n
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Jinro, you have alot of Nordic fans who'd like to see you in the cup for sure. I welcome you to battle!
deL, np, thanks for recognizing it!
Oh, and please update with this:
Viking Cup #1 Replay Pack
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I'm trying to figure out who I should contact in order to add the Viking Cup stream to the schedule and the list of streams.
Anyone know how to go about that?
No one is answering me on #teamliquid -_-
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Finland will take double win again 
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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 19 2010 14:28 ESLTheBeard wrote:
I'm trying to figure out who I should contact in order to add the Viking Cup stream to the schedule and the list of streams.
Anyone know how to go about that?
No one is answering me on #teamliquid -_-
Post livestream link here and a short introduction about what it is and I'll forward it to the appropriate people.
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Signing up even tho ill probably get owned right away ^^
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On May 21 2010 00:01 Kong John wrote:
Signing up even tho ill probably get owned right away ^^
Not be the most experienced player will never be a justified reason not to enter a tourney.
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On May 21 2010 00:39 Wippen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 00:01 Kong John wrote:
Signing up even tho ill probably get owned right away ^^ Not be the most experienced player will never be a justified reason not to enter a tourney.
Very very true ^^
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Is this going to start? It's five minutes past and the stream is off the air. Anyone have any more info?
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Viking cup... sounds alot like Terran Mirror Cup.
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Looks like I'm going to be qualified for round 2 immediately. Why dont they make the bracket smaller?
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United States2095 Posts
Goooo Morrow, Nordic Blood ftw ^_^
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What do I do if there is a no-show? I don't have an IRC client.
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Sweden33719 Posts
There's a web IRC if you scroll down here:
http://www.esl.eu/se/#/nordic/sc2/
On an unrelated note, my SC2 has been lagging hardcore since yesterday =[ Crashing a TON, bugging a TON. I've resorted to playing without sound for now, it seems to make the freezing less of a problem in game at least.
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On May 16 2010 23:01 Goatlust wrote:
That's an awful looking viking. Looks more like Saruman than a viking. It would look better with a picture of Varg Vikernes in the banner.
Local tournaments are pretty fun. Aussies had one just today.
I don't think a nazi who is convicted for murder and churchburning would be a popular choice.
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On May 21 2010 02:28 Glufs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 23:01 Goatlust wrote:
That's an awful looking viking. Looks more like Saruman than a viking. It would look better with a picture of Varg Vikernes in the banner.
Local tournaments are pretty fun. Aussies had one just today. I don't think a nazi who is convicted for murder and churchburning would be a popular choice.
That's hilarious, but he's not a "Nazi."
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On May 21 2010 02:28 Glufs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 23:01 Goatlust wrote:
That's an awful looking viking. Looks more like Saruman than a viking. It would look better with a picture of Varg Vikernes in the banner.
Local tournaments are pretty fun. Aussies had one just today. I don't think a nazi who is convicted for murder and churchburning would be a popular choice.
isnt that what vikings did? burn buildings and murder people.
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On May 21 2010 03:25 Madkipz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 02:28 Glufs wrote:On May 16 2010 23:01 Goatlust wrote:
That's an awful looking viking. Looks more like Saruman than a viking. It would look better with a picture of Varg Vikernes in the banner.
Local tournaments are pretty fun. Aussies had one just today. I don't think a nazi who is convicted for murder and churchburning would be a popular choice. isnt that what vikings did? burn buildings and murder people.
Yes, but we only like the ones who did it a 1000 years ago. Now, everything is civilized, so a modern Viking would be a law abiding bad ass with beard, like Lars Monsen.
I think we all loose if we try to have this conversation.
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Pretty epic. Thanks for posting.
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so I'm guessing the finals are gonna be played later today (friday)?
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Finals today guys, BO7, Jinro vs FaiLo @ 20:00 CEST!
Bring the popcorn! ^^
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I love this <3
Great commentating I must say
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Trying to watch this now is making me nauseous. The caster is jerking the screen around as if he was trying to re-enact shaky-cam Blair Witch Project.
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Is this being played with patch 13?
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GRATS
jinro strikes again!
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No. Patch 13 isn't live yet. Thank god it's over. The jerkiness was terrible. Too bad casters didn't seem to pay attention to everybody complaining on the chat.
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grats to the win FA, first 2nd in the ESL Wednesday cup and then this win about time you start showing some results :D (what I mean by that is that I've always liked your play/playstile)
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Will Viking Cup have a playoff or are the points only there for show?
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We're having plans for the points, that's all I can say. ^^
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Bump, cup starts tomorrow (27th) 18:00 CEST, go HERE to sign up!
Read more about it ON THE TOPIC.
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I have a question. What if you are nordic but you don't live there? Can i still enter the cup?
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You need to be a resident of the Nordic countries, so no. True vikings never leave their motherland ^^
If you're a very special case then talk to me on IRC and we'll see what we can do.
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On May 27 2010 18:01 ESLTheBeard wrote:
You need to be a resident of the Nordic countries, so no. True vikings never leave their motherland ^^
It's quite the opposite. True vikings pillage in other countries
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I just made an acc on esl, but still cant register because I'm missing a game acc attached to my profile...
I did go through the list tho, selected SC2, eu server, and put in my name, Naf. but does it need to be accepted by a moderator or something?
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On May 27 2010 22:32 Naf wrote:
I just made an acc on esl, but still cant register because I'm missing a game acc attached to my profile...
I did go through the list tho, selected SC2, eu server, and put in my name, Naf. but does it need to be accepted by a moderator or something?
never mind, seems it just needed some time
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If you for some odd reason missed out on the action last night, shame on you, but we still have tonight ahead of us. We had some insane matches last night and we saw the strength of the Wc3 players ThorZaiN and Ciara. ThorZaiN beating Haypr0 in a 30+ minute game and Ciara is in the semi final against Satiini (match got postponed to today). We saw an epic NaNi vs Zpux semi final that was just all out crazy.
BO3 SEMIFINAL and BO7 FINAL TONIGHT streamed LIVE!
20:00 CEST @ www.esl.eu/nordic/sc2
Will the Finnish player Satiini, famous WC3 player Ciara, or the Swedish overlord ZpuX take this third edition of Viking Cup? Tune in tonight!
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Thanks for having me with the cast.
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Now that they extended the beta period will there be another cup next week?
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Oh yes, Viking Cup #4 will roll out tomorrow at 18:00 CEST @ www.esl.eu/nordic/sc2
Amateur or Pro, don't miss out on this last chance to show everyone what you're made of!
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And by last, I mean before the temporary closedown of the beta by the 7th of June. Viking Cup will continue to be the biggest cup for the Nordics even past release and thru the autumn and fall of 2010!
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Glad to see Ciara breaking into the sc2 scene. ^^
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Will try watch this ;D
Nice to see those awesome Scando WC3 players making an impact!
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I got knocked out in the Semifinals, 1-2 vs Drafter.
To bad, gl to Drafter in finals tomorrow, I will try to cast that game on stream if possible ^^;
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How is the bo7 going? (I can't stream on bad internet). Drafter had some impressive wins over naniwa, ominous, and zpux, so im really curious whether he is cheesing everybody or actually really good.
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On June 05 2010 04:47 mcgriddle wrote:
How is the bo7 going? (I can't stream on bad internet). Drafter had some impressive wins over naniwa, ominous, and zpux, so im really curious whether he is cheesing everybody or actually really good.
Havn't seen the game vs Zpux, that was a bo1 though.
Naniwa was afk so that game was w.o.
I lost 1-2, mainly cuz I suck at PvT, but he played well.
He lost the finals 0-4 to Naama.
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Post updated: GO READ!
New cup Thursday 15th of July!
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the signup date is wrong i think
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It wants me to add "gameaccount" to be able to sign up? then i go to where I can do that, then it wants me to enter "value" can any1 explain what it is? doesn't say it
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Hey, I am Danish although I currently live outside Denmark. Can I still participate?
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On July 15 2010 00:44 Potatisodlaren wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 00:29 Backpeddle wrote:
It wants me to add "gameaccount" to be able to sign up? then i go to where I can do that, then it wants me to enter "value" can any1 explain what it is? doesn't say it Yeah I get the same, I think it is because of the old name system of name.name that they removed but ESL haven't updated their site. I dunno if we are supposed to write a bogus identifier to be able to register or if we should wait for ESL admins to fix this, assuming that the problem is what I think it is. TheBeard can you clarify?
I figured out, u need to write yourr ingame name & then the code. u can view the code if u drag ur mouse over ur portrait :D
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Wondering how long gameaccount change take... =/
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 15 2010 16:28 Welmu wrote:
Wondering how long gameaccount change take... =/
Apparently changing game account 5 minutes before the start of the tournament was a bad idea !! I'll have to play next time I guess.
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On July 16 2010 01:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 16:28 Welmu wrote:
Wondering how long gameaccount change take... =/ Apparently changing game account 5 minutes before the start of the tournament was a bad idea !! I'll have to play next time I guess.
Awww.... Glad I changed game account hours, before tourny started ^^
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Read about who won and the next Viking Cup!
Updated info in the TOPIC.
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This final was so nice! I watched all of your stream The Beard. I also like the news you write on ESL Nodics, the analysis and the little teasers you make with the winners' faces! You put so much love for the game into this and you spend so much time! And even though you do, you then go and ALSO stream the events! You are freakin awesome man! A maschine! Thank you so much for making ESL Nordics so awesome! <3
Big THX also to SjoW and Chewbro! That was such a nice final.
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Correction; It's merely called Clan Fresh
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On July 17 2010 10:58 MaD.pYrO wrote:Correction; It's merely called Clan Fresh
Is ChewbroCColi by any chance FreshFriFly(FreshPro) from HON?
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Looks good, TheBeard!
Nice with a danish winner after all these second-places :o
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Cant find the sign in button to viking cup 6, only a check in button.
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On July 29 2010 22:46 Bambooca wrote:
Cant find the sign in button to viking cup 6, only a check in button.
Vikingcup #6 will be 5th of August: www.esl.eu/nordic/vikingcup/sc2/
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Topic has been updated with information regarding Viking Cup #6 which was postponed to 5th August due to the introduction of Monthly Finals. Read more about it in the topic! (GO THERE)
In a hurry to sign up? DIRECT LINK
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why is esl.eu lagging so much
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It would be really helpful if you could update the OP with current results as well as past results
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is the url to the stream wrong?
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The Ustream attempt was a disaster but we'll try to figure out what went wrong and try at it again later on. For this thursday we revert back to livestream until we figure Ustream out 100%.
I've updated the topic with info regarding next cup, go there:
ESL Viking Cup Thread
Eager for Viking Cup #7 Sign-up?
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where is the #6 replay pack?
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someone restream plz? its kinda laggy :/
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Wow Naana loaded all his marines in dropships vs the banelings so the marauders took all the hits.. nice play. Again only terrans left it seems.. nordic cup is such a terranfest lol.
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How MadFrog got that far against sooo many terrans is pretty impressive, he should get a prize.
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yeah, allways nice to see 4 terrans in the semi finals. Madfrog owned by cloaked banshee, if you dont know for sure its coming , you will lose. So much bullshit harass stuff terran can pull off , and if you dont play 100% perfect you will lose. Terran on the other hand can do misstakes all game and still win.
Patch this shit before the BIG tournaments thats incoming, cus they will be crowded with TvT that is fucking boring.
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On August 13 2010 04:41 Pekkz wrote:yeah, allways nice to see 4 terrans in the semi finals. Madfrog owned by cloaked banshee, if you dont know for sure its coming , you will lose. So much bullshit harass stuff terran can pull off , and if you dont play 100% perfect you will lose. Terran on the other hand can do misstakes all game and still win. Patch this shit before the BIG tournaments thats incoming, cus they will be crowded with TvT that is fucking boring.
I posted long before the semis...
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Isn't merz zerg? I distinctly remember watching a game with him as zerg. Maybe he have switched or was just practicing.
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yeah, and there has been many TvT on the way there aswell Was fun when they casted a ZvP, and the casters where confused cause they had not casted one in a couple of weeks:D
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On August 13 2010 04:45 nihlon wrote:
Isn't merz zerg? I distinctly remember watching a game with him as zerg. Maybe he have switched or was just practicing.
Nah his terran.
Of the good players in the tournament...
Four of these terrans in semis
Morrow
Sjow
Naama
Satiini
merz
fuzer
All these zergs lost once they faced the quality terrans.
Madfrog
Haypro
Ciara
Protoss:
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Just feels like hellions are counter to everything zerg can do early. You cant leave your base or you will get all your drones killed. I have yet to see a muta harass that kills a terran in high level game, but I see thor/tank drop/viking/hellions/banshee/reaper that just harasses zergs to death all the time.
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Great job on the casting. Very good and clear english as if that was your first language
Too bad the final is TvT but still great stream.
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On August 13 2010 04:45 nihlon wrote:
Isn't merz zerg? I distinctly remember watching a game with him as zerg. Maybe he have switched or was just practicing.
I was thinking of switching to zerg for a brief moment, played almost exclusively Z in phase 2, but decided against it after that, felt like a waste to suddenly switch before release when I've banked 1000+ games as terran.
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On August 13 2010 04:41 Pekkz wrote:yeah, allways nice to see 4 terrans in the semi finals. Madfrog owned by cloaked banshee, if you dont know for sure its coming , you will lose. So much bullshit harass stuff terran can pull off , and if you dont play 100% perfect you will lose. Terran on the other hand can do misstakes all game and still win. Patch this shit before the BIG tournaments thats incoming, cus they will be crowded with TvT that is fucking boring.
Let's turn every fucking thread on TL into a "ZvT is unbalanced" discussion. Good idea!
Anyway, good games. Was surprised at how easy MaDFroG got defeated after seeing his games vs. TLO.
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On August 13 2010 05:01 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 04:45 nihlon wrote:
Isn't merz zerg? I distinctly remember watching a game with him as zerg. Maybe he have switched or was just practicing. I was thinking of switching to zerg for a brief moment, played almost exclusively Z in phase 2, but decided against it after that, felt like a waste to suddenly switch before release when I've banked 1000+ games as terran.
Ok, thanks. Just don't be afraid to join the swarm whenever you feel, we need more of them. 
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I'll try to help eradicate the world of terrans in future tournaments.
Once you eliminate one of them though, there's a million waiting to take their place.
One man can only do so much. Fighting 5 coin flippers in a row (most of them finnish) takes its toll on even the sturdiest of men.
There's always the one game where you have to guess and guess wrong.
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I don't understand why Morrow takes so long to research siege?
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It's 9:40 GMT now, just an hour and 40 minutes after the Bo7 starting time. Did I miss the finals? If so who won?
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On August 14 2010 04:40 DudeLebowski wrote:
It's 9:40 GMT now, just an hour and 40 minutes after the Bo7 starting time. Did I miss the finals? If so who won?
Yep it's over, you can see the Bo7 vod here:
http://www.livestream.com/eslvikingcup
I think Trump's T would be able to beat the winner of viking cup #7 ( + Show Spoiler + ) , I don't like how + Show Spoiler + handled his tank play
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On August 14 2010 05:57 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 04:40 DudeLebowski wrote:
It's 9:40 GMT now, just an hour and 40 minutes after the Bo7 starting time. Did I miss the finals? If so who won? Yep it's over, you can see the Bo7 vod here: http://www.livestream.com/eslvikingcupI think Trump's T would be able to beat the winner of viking cup #7 ( + Show Spoiler + )
+ Show Spoiler +Morrows TvT is really strong and he has won like 3 tournaments in 2 weeks so even if Trump might give him a fight, I think Morrow would definitely come out on top in a bo 5 or 7 right now. He often win without going tank heavy as well.
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Viking Cup #8 about to start, read the TOPIC guys!
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On August 20 2010 00:16 ESLTheBeard wrote:
Viking Cup #8 about to start, read the TOPIC guys!
I get a 404 file not found on the stream link in the op. It appears like you have the wrong link there.
Here is the real one. I found it by googling it.
http://www.esl.eu/nordic/vikingcup/sc2/vikingcupstream/
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^^That works as well
I'm sensing a SjoW Haypro final.
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On August 13 2010 09:23 LaLuSh wrote:
I'll try to help eradicate the world of terrans in future tournaments.
Once you eliminate one of them though, there's a million waiting to take their place.
One man can only do so much. Fighting 5 coin flippers in a row (most of them finnish) takes its toll on even the sturdiest of men.
There's always the one game where you have to guess and guess wrong.
GOO LALUSH!!! you have fans!
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Monthly finals tomorrow!
MorroW, SjoW, Jinro, Naama, Chewbro, ZpuX, Blesser and jimpo qualified and many others will sign up for the first ESL Viking Cup Monthly Finals! 200€ pricepool!
Read the topic: CLICK ME, I'm HE-A!
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Check-in 17:30 CEST
Cup begins 18:15 CEST
Stream starts 18:15 CEST (co-caster Martijn from GLHF.tv)
Don't miss this!
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it feels funny how we qualify to the monthly while everyone else can just sign up normally. to "qualify" doesnt theoretically change anything i think :d (unless im mistaken on the system)
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TheBeard is such a good representative of the "Viking" cup. If he wants to make the image perfect he should wear a huge helm while casting.
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On August 13 2010 09:23 LaLuSh wrote:
I'll try to help eradicate the world of terrans in future tournaments.
Once you eliminate one of them though, there's a million waiting to take their place.
One man can only do so much. Fighting 5 coin flippers in a row (most of them finnish) takes its toll on even the sturdiest of men.
There's always the one game where you have to guess and guess wrong.
how do u always say what im thinking
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On August 27 2010 00:02 MorroW wrote:
it feels funny how we qualify to the monthly while everyone else can just sign up normally. to "qualify" doesnt theoretically change anything i think :d (unless im mistaken on the system)
ESL Premium account is needed for those that have not qualified to the tournament.
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So who just saw Jinpo find that proxy rax, questionably, seeing as he didnt scout for proxys in any of his other games
edit: or maybe he did and I missed it
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On August 27 2010 02:46 so.nerdy wrote:
So who just saw Jinpo find that proxy rax, questionably, seeing as he didnt scout for proxys in any of his other games
edit: or maybe he did and I missed it
it's a common thing, especially against guys like satiini ^^
nah, especially since there is only 1 good spot for the proxy it's easy to scout it
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stream is lagging
unwatchable :/
After F5 #45 it's not lagging anymore
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On August 27 2010 02:53 wikid wrote:
stream is lagging
unwatchable :/
Yeah same for me.
Edit: Now it's better, at least watchable.
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hi just tuned in nad have no sound
can someone pls tell me which one is morrow?
thanks
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On August 27 2010 03:28 zurg wrote:
hi just tuned in nad have no sound
can someone pls tell me which one is morrow?
thanks
The one with the red hair?
If it's the ones playing atm you are asking about, no one is Morrow. I believe it's Satiini vs jimpo.
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On August 27 2010 03:33 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 03:28 zurg wrote:
hi just tuned in nad have no sound
can someone pls tell me which one is morrow?
thanks The one with the red hair? If it's the ones playing atm you are asking about, no one is Morrow. I believe it's Satiini vs jimpo.
xD
oh ok thanks
a friend called me and told me morrow is playing Oo
anyway thank u
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On August 27 2010 03:36 zurg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 03:33 nihlon wrote:On August 27 2010 03:28 zurg wrote:
hi just tuned in nad have no sound
can someone pls tell me which one is morrow?
thanks The one with the red hair? If it's the ones playing atm you are asking about, no one is Morrow. I believe it's Satiini vs jimpo. xD oh ok thanks a friend called me and told me morrow is playing Oo anyway thank u
Np. If you stay on the stream you'll most likely get to see Morrow if he advances. Here is the bracket atm:
http://www.esl.eu/nordic/vikingcup/sc2/cup9/rankings/
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tack
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so THIS is how Martjim looks like
also agree on the perfect host, he makes me proud, Scandinavia fighting
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are there any non-terran in this tournament? yet another tvt incoming :p
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Dude.. I see where you got the nickname! That beard is huge! It puts mine to shame, I think it actually shrunk in abit at seeing the epic nature of yours. From what I've been watching these games are quite epic!
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omfg, nothing but tvt. this is really starting to hurt sc2 as a spectator sport. im so sick of tvt i dont watch them anymore unless really big names are involved.
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On August 27 2010 03:47 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote:
are there any non-terran in this tournament? yet another tvt incoming :p
On August 27 2010 04:08 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, nothing but tvt. this is really starting to hurt sc2 as a spectator sport. im so sick of tvt i dont watch them anymore unless really big names are involved.
For some reason the Viking cups have been extremely terran heavy (more so than other tournaments). The only good Scandinavian zerg I can think of doesn't participate in these and then there aren't really any z or p that currently that can compete with players like Morrow, Satiini, jimpo, merz and Naama who usually participate in these tournaments. This can't only be explained by the likelihood that terran is op.
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On August 27 2010 04:13 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 03:47 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote:
are there any non-terran in this tournament? yet another tvt incoming :p Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 04:08 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, nothing but tvt. this is really starting to hurt sc2 as a spectator sport. im so sick of tvt i dont watch them anymore unless really big names are involved. For some reason the Viking cups have been extremely terran heavy (more so than other tournaments). The only good Scandinavian zerg I can think of doesn't participate in these and then there aren't really any z or p that currently that can compete with players like Morrow, Satiini, jimpo, merz and Naama who usually participate in these tournaments. This can't only be explained by the likelihood that terran is op.
Most of the best Zergs in Europe are Scandinavian.
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On August 27 2010 04:30 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 04:13 nam nam wrote:On August 27 2010 03:47 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote:
are there any non-terran in this tournament? yet another tvt incoming :p On August 27 2010 04:08 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, nothing but tvt. this is really starting to hurt sc2 as a spectator sport. im so sick of tvt i dont watch them anymore unless really big names are involved. For some reason the Viking cups have been extremely terran heavy (more so than other tournaments). The only good Scandinavian zerg I can think of doesn't participate in these and then there aren't really any z or p that currently that can compete with players like Morrow, Satiini, jimpo, merz and Naama who usually participate in these tournaments. This can't only be explained by the likelihood that terran is op. Most of the best Zergs in Europe are Scandinavian.
Hardly. And even if that are true my points still stands as they don't compete in the Viking Cup.
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You lag the gamers when your a referee , instead go spectate
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On August 27 2010 04:52 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 04:30 cuppatea wrote:On August 27 2010 04:13 nam nam wrote:On August 27 2010 03:47 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote:
are there any non-terran in this tournament? yet another tvt incoming :p On August 27 2010 04:08 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, nothing but tvt. this is really starting to hurt sc2 as a spectator sport. im so sick of tvt i dont watch them anymore unless really big names are involved. For some reason the Viking cups have been extremely terran heavy (more so than other tournaments). The only good Scandinavian zerg I can think of doesn't participate in these and then there aren't really any z or p that currently that can compete with players like Morrow, Satiini, jimpo, merz and Naama who usually participate in these tournaments. This can't only be explained by the likelihood that terran is op. Most of the best Zergs in Europe are Scandinavian. Hardly. And even if that are true my points still stands as they don't compete in the Viking Cup.
Which European Zergs, besides Dimaga, are better than Haypro, Zpux, Madfrog, Lalush and Ciara (all of whom have played in Viking Cup, afaik)?.
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glad to see thorzain winning some series.
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I really don´t get why the country you play from should count, like Naniwa can´t play viking cups because he is in Germany, it totally sucks.
About the cast: Nice with dual commentary but i feel that Martin is so uninspired and seem to try make fun of how little stuff happens ingame and instead prefer to commentate on everything else than the gameplay. Please try to get into the game more, this is meant to be constructive critism, not just a bash of you Martin.
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was it 8 terrans in top 8 lol?
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Congratulations on making the nearly impossible and lagging Morrow into rage mode. Take your players into consideration and limit the spectators so as to not effect their game.
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Topic updated with information about tomorrow's cup!
Go read it here!
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see you next week~
im glad u cancel it rather than making us wait a long time hoping for the best and then cancel like many tours has done with high faith of bnet :d
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Since last week got postponed, we're playing this week with double the prize-money, read the spoiler in the topic or visit OUR SITE to sign up for tomorrow (2010-09-09 18:00 CEST (check-in 17:30 CEST)) or watch the stream at:
http://bit.ly/eslvikingcupstream (We've switched to Ustream)
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i have no idea how to see which map to play in which round
does anyone know how to see which map is to be played?
edit: ok nvm was just because i had a freewin i couldnt see the map
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On September 10 2010 01:10 MorroW wrote:
and its back!
Yippie kay-yay!
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Yay, nice that you got Martijn to co-cast with the beard. They're doing great together!
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Ye, it works so well when Martijn is as co-caster! Hope you can do more dual casts!
e: & no lag in stream at all! GLHF.TV the best stream connection ever.. as we have seen earlier, they are awesome.
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Looks like another MorroW vs SjoW final
MorroW's last game vs Naama was so good!
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I think Morrow will win 4-1.
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Its more common to have a TvT final in the europe cups then it is to have any other matchup. Helllllo?
Its also a big chance that there is two TvT's in the semis, lol.
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On August 27 2010 06:54 Zinbiel wrote:
was it 8 terrans in top 8 lol?
no hilberer (zerg) was in top 8, tougth lost to Morrow.
edit: ops saw that ur post was way old, sorry. dunno how to remove my post :S
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So wasn't the final suppose to be today? Or did I misunderstand?
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Yeah I think the streamer said that the final between Morrow and Sjow was going today. Did we both misunderstand it?
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They were playing the final earlier on glhf.tv. I saw Morrow win on LT pretty easily but I don't know the overall score.
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It was 4-0 Morrow and all 4 games lasted a total of about 54 minutes. It really was MorroW bringing the pain. and people say TvT is always going to take forever!
Grats to Morrow and thanks to glhf.tv for stepping in an helping out , great casts!!!
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Another ton of bricks will fall tonight as the titans of the Nordic once again knuckle bump and go into murderous battle. Tune in or sign up @ topic!
STREAM / SIGNUP / CHECK-IN 17:30 / BRACKETS
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Stream is finally working !
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Viking cup ftw! A pleasant expirience for a scrub like me.
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+111111111111111111111111111111111111 for Sabaton guys, love you!!!
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is the stream working? im tryin to watch it
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whats the direct link sorry
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The Viking stream is always top notch. No drama, high(-ish) definition. Keep it up!
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Ustream is not working for me.
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Who is casting with you today thebeard?
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Forgive my stupidity, but does this tournament require premium ESL account?
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Beard please turn on game clock for your viewers ! ! ! thanks
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typical mass thors overpowering anytihng the zerg can do
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sc2 still feels like a stupid game.. i hate to watch thor-hellion abusing right now... how can it be!! a nice zerg with 4 base against a fail terran proxy push rax, and playing with only 1 expo just rape the zerg doing NOTHING at all. i cant believe it... what zerg can do?? lol we will have to wait so much time to play a balanced game =(
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On September 24 2010 03:04 No_eL wrote:
sc2 still feels like a stupid game.. i hate to watch thor-hellion abusing right now... how can it be!! a nice zerg with 4 base against a fail terran proxy push rax, and playing with only 1 expo just rape the zerg doing NOTHING at all. i cant believe it... what zerg can do?? lol we will have to wait so much time to play a balanced game =(
Please stop this tedious rant, the zerg clearly had the wrong unit combination and as a zerg you really have to pick your fights, not engaging everything everytime etc.
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I am terribly lagging, is this me or you guys have the same issue?
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I'm having similar lag issues.
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On September 24 2010 03:01 SwampZero wrote:
typical mass thors overpowering anytihng the zerg can do
and again
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This Fuzer guy is pretty clutch, really abusing wall-ins, repairing and good use of few mech units.
good game so far.
haha "race win", i think Lalush made many mistakes, he shouldn´t be blaming terran for his loss. But i understand his reaction, he always gets mad when he gets defeated, saw that in his bw stream so many times.
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he didnt even target fire the infestors, he just attack moved and waited for NP to expire and won anyway
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well lalush did have the spire really early and fuzer gave him SOOOO much time to react to his build. It took forever untill fuzer moved out, lalush should have opted for broodlords instead imo.
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Pretty disingenuous for Lalush to say "race win" when he is the one who stayed on 2 bases against a turtling 2 base terran and then wonders why he lost.
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dude,turn on game clock ;I
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broodlords dont counter this thor.
They're too late, too few, and do too little burst to do anything, while still being under fire.
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On September 24 2010 03:07 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 03:04 No_eL wrote:
sc2 still feels like a stupid game.. i hate to watch thor-hellion abusing right now... how can it be!! a nice zerg with 4 base against a fail terran proxy push rax, and playing with only 1 expo just rape the zerg doing NOTHING at all. i cant believe it... what zerg can do?? lol we will have to wait so much time to play a balanced game =( Please stop this tedious rant, the zerg clearly had the wrong unit combination and as a zerg you really have to pick your fights, not engaging everything everytime etc.
ya? and the game vs lalush was a bad combo?? lol at terran's blindness
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ultras would have been a better choice, but still not effective due to narrow chokes and melee range.
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Thor has the highest ground dps in the game at a range of 7, and a decent air attack at range 9.
Think about that.
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On September 24 2010 03:45 SwampZero wrote:
broodlords dont counter this thor.
They're too late, too few, and do too little burst to do anything, while still being under fire.
you only need a few broodlords, they halt the push by forcing aggro while your main bulk army of roaches does the killing.
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This match is ridiculous. I think this shows every possible gay thing that terran can do to zerg :D
I guess it shows some skill from the terran also, just to know all the possible ways to abuse the broken matchup. But Lalush is holding up like a beast.
Well, guess it wasn't "everything" to be exact. But gimmicky as hell for sure. Awesome to watch, too though.
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i loved that match! so epic and entertaining even as a protoss player. Really impressive play by both players.
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On September 24 2010 04:08 Kaitsuh wrote:
This match is ridiculous. I think this shows every possible gay thing that terran can do to zerg :D
I guess it shows some skill from the terran also, just to know all the possible ways to abuse the broken matchup. But Lalush is holding up like a beast.
+1
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Awesome games, grats to winners!
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What's all this complaining about terran abuse I am reading here? Checked a bit of the stream and saw Lalush destroy a terran with ultras, and winning his match and advancing. And in the brackets I can see he also beat Morrow in the previous round, not too shabby, the patch might have actually done something..
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
jesus lalush playing his heart out O_O
amazing games, even though he just lost haha
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On September 24 2010 04:37 wintergt wrote:
What's all this complaining about terran abuse I am reading here? Checked a bit of the stream and saw Lalush destroy a terran with ultras, and winning his match and advancing. And in the brackets I can see he also beat Morrow in the previous round, not too shabby, the patch might have actually done something..
maybe u need watch the games not the brackets???
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Too bad that the map was favouring one race that hard, think admin should use a map that isnt favouring one race.
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All the complaining from Lalush is pretty annoying.
It's not imbalance that let all your buildings burn (bleed) down without you doing anything. It's not imbalance that told you to expo at the worst possible spot first. It's not imbalance that told you to go 2base v 2base against a turtle terran in the earlier game where he complained about balance. It's not imabalance that made you throw away tons of units without microing them. It's not imbalance that has made you badly mess up your worker split at least twice that i've seen in these games.
The races are not balanced, but that isn't why you are losing those games in particular.
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On September 24 2010 04:52 On_Slaught wrote:
All the complaining from Lalush is pretty annoying.
It's not imbalance that let all your buildings burn (bleed) down without you doing anything. It's not imbalance that told you to expo at the worst possible spot first. It's not imbalance that told you to go 2base v 2base against a turtle terran in the earlier game where he complained about balance. It's not imabalance that made you throw away tons of units without microing them. It's not imbalance that has made you badly mess up your worker split at least twice that i've seen in these games.
The races are not balanced, but that isn't why you are losing those games in particular.
So where is he supposed to expand on kulas. Other xp has rocks you need 2 years to take down. Gold has ledge above it and can be attacked from two sides by hellions or reapers can abuse high ground behind the gold.
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On September 24 2010 04:52 On_Slaught wrote:
It's not imbalance that let all your buildings burn (bleed) down without you doing anything. It's not imbalance that told you to expo at the worst possible spot first. It's not imbalance that told you to go 2base v 2base against a turtle terran in the earlier game where he complained about balance. It's not imabalance that made you throw away tons of units without microing them. It's not imbalance that has made you badly mess up your worker split at least twice that i've seen in these games.
Are you seriously suggesting that the zerg should play 1-base or do his natural to the gold? Because breaking down the rocks to the safe uphill expo takes several minutes with the early zerglings you can afford to get, and that's way too late for a zerg to expand. You do know zerg can't lift up and fly straight up to the uphill expo, right?
And he didn't "let" his buildings burn down, he didn't have a goddamn lair anymore which is needed for vomiting creep. And even if he could expand creep, the terran really could have just destroyed those buildings, would have taken like 10 seconds if he had seen them.
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The gold expo would of been significantly safer with those positions. The tanks couldn't seige it up without being flanked, and any army would have to walk across much of the map to get there. At least take the in-base expo first. He didn't have reapers. He was clearly going tank/thor and that is at a much larger advantage attacking that specific expo over any other. No doubt Kulas is a broken map either way.
As for the burning down, i'm almost positive he had a lair at the gold before he lost it. Even if he didn't, if it was so obvious he was going to lose them he should of rebuilt them much earlier.
Looks like he has a good chance at winning this next match on SS.
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Satiini types out on scrap station. After beeing outplayed by lalush.
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On September 24 2010 05:08 On_Slaught wrote:
The gold expo would of been significantly safer with those positions. The tanks couldn't seige it up without being flanked, and any army would have to walk across much of the map to get there. At least take the in-base expo first. He didn't have reapers. He was clearly going tank/thor and that is at a much larger advantage attacking that specific expo over any other. No doubt Kulas is a broken map either way.
As for the burning down, i'm almost positive he had a lair at the gold before he lost it. Even if he didn't, if it was so obvious he was going to lose them he should of rebuilt them much earlier.
Looks like he has a good chance at winning this next match on SS.
He didn't have a lair, and he was stretched so thin balancing drones/army that he couldn't afford to rebuild.
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On September 24 2010 04:50 No_eL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 04:37 wintergt wrote:
What's all this complaining about terran abuse I am reading here? Checked a bit of the stream and saw Lalush destroy a terran with ultras, and winning his match and advancing. And in the brackets I can see he also beat Morrow in the previous round, not too shabby, the patch might have actually done something.. maybe u need watch the games not the brackets???
I caught a bit, and saw another game, basically only seen Lalush beat terrans. But where are all the comments about that? All I see is whine about terrans but Lalush seems to be doing ok, 1-1 vs Satiini now.
EDIT: and lalush is in the finals.. a ZERG!
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Any restreams? I get to watch 1 second then 5 seconds of lag repeating
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Heh, LaLush all in roach drops satinii's base and comes out with the win after his expo got cliff drop owned.
Zerg in the final!
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GG LaLush
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Thats so fucking funny I dont even know where to begin. Fucking gimmick terrans like satiini, trying to abuse the high ground ledge , and lalush turns it on him and just drops his main instead rofl.
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Well played LaLush rooting for you in the finals!
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Woot! Zerg in the finals.
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Hope Lalush is going to take it, he would really deserve that.
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Cutting off every few seconds for me, no problem with other streams :/
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On September 24 2010 05:27 vyyye wrote:
Cutting off every few seconds for me, no problem with other streams :/
I have the same thing with the VODs for some reason, but the actual live stream right now works just fine for me.
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Everyone jizzing over lalush but not this guy? THis was a really cool PvT!
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More terran dominance broken it seems. Bischu's play was godly, relentless pressure. Let's see if he can keep it up and take the series. PvZ final after all these TvTs for so many weeks would be great.
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Bischu played really well. Naama is no pushover. :O
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TheBeard: "What's all that noise in the background? Sounds like a hobo is trying to break into your house!"
I LOL'ed hard when he said that.
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Truely wonderful games in Viking Cup now, these are top notch games entertainment-wise with good commentating too of course. Going to have to start keeping an even closer eye on this stuff.
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are there any players from Faroe Islands?
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Very nice games, I enjoyed watching the stream very much. Ominious also very nice casting, you did well with TheBeard. Jättebra! :D
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Awesome to see a Zerg in the finals, and lalush especially.
I leave on the east coast of america and I've started booking Thursday afternoons off work so that I can watch the Viking cup. Well done all.. great great stuff.
are VoDs available at all? I missed the last lalush game.
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The biggest problem in the matchup right now is that you're forced into making mutas to stop terrans from having free reign with medivac drops. I think it's what the koreans are complaining about too.
Sometimes, however, you are FORCED into a different opening. Perhaps you just choose a different opening because it's actually better than mutas.
At that point, building mutas for the sole reason of shutting down drops (like I had to vs fuzer on LT), is NOT something you can afford in 90% of your games. It's only doable in the games where you've already secured an advantage.
ZvT isn't imbalanced if zerg gets to the mid game in decent shape. But before that it's more like playing the lottery as opposed to playing a game where you can survive through skill and good decisions. And it is ONLY THIS FACT THAT I VERY MUCH DISLIKE about the matchup.
I'd rather not have to rely on luck in order to beat terrans.
Somewhere in the coming 6months I think Blizzard will realise why moving shot was needed in this game. Because they will eventually realise zerg need scourge back to have a chance vs medivac drops. I'd bet scourge will make their return in the Heart of the Swarm beta. But MOVING SHOT will be needed for scourge to be balanced in SC2.
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Sup LaLuSh, you played some awesome games. I'll be rooting for you in the finals ;-)
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On September 24 2010 06:30 Klajjan wrote:
Is the final today?
Tomorrow (Friday), at 20:00.
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On September 24 2010 07:38 Ozu wrote:Tomorrow (Friday), at 20:00.
Is there some place to see the schedule for all Viking Cup things at? E: Nevermind, the Viking Cup site does have a calendar, was too blind to see it at first.
The Teamliquid calendar shows a Viking Cup event for saturday 25th at 20:00 CEST (1d 4h from this post).
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Has the final been moved to saturday?
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Go Lalush, keep on fighting! FOR SWEDEN!!
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Oh shit, it's on, why is the TL calendar wrong? Is this really the real tournament going on right now?
I must have gotten confused with the calendar date or something, but it certainly was showing 1 day 4 hours when I posted earlier asking about it.
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BTW Beard, saying it is actually fair when it clearly wasn't, was a pretty dick move. Gotta say after that, never watching your stream again.
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good play by both, hope to see lots more, and even better play :D
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Sick game from Lalush, so patient and even bringing in queens in the final battle to transfuse ultras.
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first non TVT Viking cup finals sience release?
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where were the seeker missiles?
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Heh those ultras + hydras in the back just tore through Naama...
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Where'll the matches be released? I'm at work so cant watch.
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Pretty much a dream finals for me. Also Finland vs Sweden!
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lalush being as pathetic as usual
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I can kind of understand where he's coming from being a zerg... but its just a wee bit funny and entertaining to see some rage quit.
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painful to watch again.... cmon Lalush u can still win and continue pwning noobs terrans everywhere =)
i hate the actual state of the game, zerg must be gosu just for lose in a cute way =(
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lalush :"whoever designed this game had clearly designed it for noobs like you"
loolllllllloloololollolololoolol
naama is ex wc3 patch orc , new patch terran player :DDD
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The multiple drops causing Lalush to rage made Cool rage as well, coincidence?
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hah, what a progamer quit.
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To be honest, Naama had that game fair and square. Of course the drop abilities of terran are a bit questionable, but still Naama was pulling all the stunts for his win and deserved it. Naama was freaking everywhere in that game :>
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Would be awesome to get Idra and Lalush in the same room when they lose to terran.
The rage-level would be crazy.
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Seems like Naama is doing pretty well atm. And his damage control is very good.
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I seriously dont blame lalush. Playing against a terran that abuses every single aspect of the sick things terran can do, makes you want to kill yourself.
Naama has opened hellion banshee in EVERY SINGLE GAME. And it allways does sick dmg. Protects naamas expo, gets few done kills, maby queen kill, pulls it away until they have a confrontation , where he needs 1 click to put it back in while lalush is doing something else, and that banshee has suddently 19 kills.
Game on blistering sands now shows how retarded it really is. Lalush has twice the ammount of workers, and still cant break the terran. Is ZERG supposed to play 30 minute games everytime.
If lalush loose this game he may blow up :p
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Naama is gonna fucking win this game after having half the harvesters of lalush last 10 minutes and 1 less base lol.
Now naama got 10 mules on gold expo, fuck this game, its not balanced. Marines so cost effective with medivacs, its not even funny.
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I think Naama is playing really well. Defending against Lalush's pushes and expanding to gold at the same time. Pretty good multitasking and controlling of the game. I think pretty good post-patch daily material.
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On September 25 2010 04:48 Kilby wrote:I think Naama is playing really well. Defending against Lalush's pushes and expanding to gold at the same time. Pretty good multitasking and controlling of the game. I think pretty good post-patch daily material.
Could've had the exact same game before the patch. The changes had no impact on any of these games except to allow Lalush to do a little more damage with his Hydras. Worthless.
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Gratz naama. Really solid play. Also thanks to casters for some awesome sc2 action. Viking cup is the most enjoyable tournament for me to watch.
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Not sure why Lalush did not opt for mutas? Obv. like 4 queens is enough to be safe against banshees till mutas get out. ANyway Naama played extremely well, and clearly was the better player than Lalush i think.
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I understand the rage, but I don't understand it being aimed at the players.
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lol lalush.. he made SOOO many bad decisions and horrible mistakes, its no wonder he lost so bad.
I hate how just because the VERY top zergs like Cool and Idra see a tiny bit of unfairness at the VERY top level (GSL).. people who are no where near their level and basically kill themselves like lalush take it as an excuse to blame their loss on.
lalush is a bad player, he relies on pure macro but has horrible decision making and micro, and it was shown right there. Maybe he should worry less about imbalance and improve himself for once.
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Lalush totally lost that last game, not naama winning it. Naama did an excellent job just barely holding on and sniping that hatch.
Lalush had total map control and didn't take his gold. Didn't send anything down ever to try and harass naama's gold. All lalush had to do was deny that gold for a little bit or take his own. Instead he tried to army trade and never really defended his expo well enough.
Also, he went mutas once in 5 games. Against hellion/banshee having mutas helps a lot. He knew Naama was going that don't know why he didn't try it outside of scrap
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lalush :"whoever designed this game had clearly designed it for noobs like you remake 1"
hAHAHAHAHAHha lalush is Swedish IdrA :D
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Whether there's imbalance or not in this recently released game, everyone would still be blaming the player in every instance. Meh.
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On September 25 2010 04:52 Skyze wrote:
lol lalush.. he made SOOO many bad decisions and horrible mistakes, its no wonder he lost so bad.
I hate how just because the VERY top zergs like Cool and Idra see a tiny bit of unfairness at the VERY top level (GSL).. people who are no where near their level and basically kill themselves like lalush take it as an excuse to blame their loss on.
lalush is a bad player, he relies on pure macro but has horrible decision making and micro, and it was shown right there. Maybe he should worry less about imbalance and improve himself for once.
And im not saying there ISNT something wrong with Terran.. there sure is, but lets face it, Lalush woulda had at least 3 of those losses if he didnt do such stupid things like keep rallying his units into naama's units and losing them so often..
Im a terran hater, but Naama played solid, and Lalush played stupid. No imbalance there, the deserving winner won.
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he waypointed his overlords to the terran army and got them sniped, he didn't use his mapcontrol but basically got himself into a corner by taking the expansion he did.
if he took the 12 expansion, terran couldn't have attacked and defend his base at the same time, and so on.
apparently lalush simply didn't have enough effective apm in these matches
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Is it me, or was Lalush actually the one 1A moving the whole game, while naama actually microed, and dropped etc? pathetic comments.
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Imbalances aside, Naama completely outplayed lalush in those last games. I was really, really impressed when Naama attacked on 3 separate fronts in the Metalopolis game. Lalush played pretty well, but I think his downfall was relying so heavily on roach/hydra.
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On September 25 2010 04:56 Gnax wrote:
Is it me, or was Lalush actually the one 1A moving the whole game, while naama actually microed, and dropped etc? pathetic comments.
That was what i throught as well. Naama had really good micro that game. Lalush showed nothing other than macroing decently.
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So.. roach/hydra army still sucks. Anyone surprised? Game 3... Lalush tried to play roach/hydra defensively and he just gets completely raped by mass drops due to its horrid immobility. So game 4, he had to go aggressive and try to end game or get shit on by drops again. Almost had it, but hydras are worthless off creep and still die to tanks. Should've just fast teched to ultras again like G1.
It's really kind of dumb how Z tier-1/2 are completely useless once the Terran reaches a critical mass, and the only way to combat them is to transition entirely into ultra/broods. Meanwhile MMM + tanks and drops are viable all game long.
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On September 25 2010 04:52 Skyze wrote:
lol lalush.. he made SOOO many bad decisions and horrible mistakes, its no wonder he lost so bad.
I hate how just because the VERY top zergs like Cool and Idra see a tiny bit of unfairness at the VERY top level (GSL).. people who are no where near their level and basically kill themselves like lalush take it as an excuse to blame their loss on.
lalush is a bad player, he relies on pure macro but has horrible decision making and micro, and it was shown right there. Maybe he should worry less about imbalance and improve himself for once.
Yeah, lalush is really bad zerg, he just got to the finals beating Morrow,fuzer,satiini on the way and they are all newb terrans. Naama clearly outplayed him pro macro and micro.
Think before you post please. Naama plays the most boring terran I have ever seen. Same opening and unit composition every single game. What do you want lalush to micro? he was using hydra/roach off creep, try micro that lol.
Doing multiple things with terran is not the same as defending at multiple locations for zerg. You can do multiple drops and attacks with 85 apm ( Sjow has 85 apm), but to defend against it, you need shitloads more.
Basicly there is something fundamentally wrong with the game when you can have 2vs3 bases with half the workers of your opponent, and still outproduce him and push forward to kill his expansion. No matter what the fuck units lalush made, that shouldnt happen.
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On September 25 2010 04:57 3clipse wrote:
Imbalances aside, Naama completely outplayed lalush in those last games. I was really, really impressed when Naama attacked on 3 separate fronts in the Metalopolis game. Lalush played pretty well, but I think his downfall was relying so heavily on roach/hydra.
You shouldn't be so impressed; it takes like 1-3 clicks to make each of those tri-front attacks and 3948623864 clicks for the Zerg to counter it
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On September 25 2010 04:58 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:56 Gnax wrote:
Is it me, or was Lalush actually the one 1A moving the whole game, while naama actually microed, and dropped etc? pathetic comments. That was what i throught as well. Naama had really good micro that game. Lalush showed nothing other than macroing decently.
I don't think so at all. Naama did play better overall and deserved it, but Lalush had pretty good fungal growths going on and worked hard at getting a good arc in a lot of the fights. There's just not anything else to micro with that army. It's a huge part of why zerg is a little frustrating when especially off-creep there's just no way to micro and every attack you do is automatically fully committed if you have hydras. MMM moves so freaking fast in combat that the zerg backing away from the fight just doesn't work like it does for the terran who has siege tanks behind him.
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I've noticed a trend recently in that every time there's a zvt the commentators are constantly praising the terrans micro. Personally I don't find sc2 especially micro intensive but seriously, every terran can't be a micro genius.
Or maybe that's it, terran pickers are inherently better at microing while zerg pickers suck at defending early game, preventing harass and scouting openings. :D
edit: seriously think about this, I guarantee you that in 9 out of 10 terran matchups the commentators will be nerdgasming all over terran micro lol.
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On September 25 2010 04:58 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:52 Skyze wrote:
lol lalush.. he made SOOO many bad decisions and horrible mistakes, its no wonder he lost so bad.
I hate how just because the VERY top zergs like Cool and Idra see a tiny bit of unfairness at the VERY top level (GSL).. people who are no where near their level and basically kill themselves like lalush take it as an excuse to blame their loss on.
lalush is a bad player, he relies on pure macro but has horrible decision making and micro, and it was shown right there. Maybe he should worry less about imbalance and improve himself for once. Yeah, lalush is really bad zerg, he just got to the finals beating Morrow,fuzer,satiini on the way and they are all newb terrans. Naama clearly outplayed him pro macro and micro. Think before you post please. Naama plays the most boring terran I have ever seen. Same opening and unit composition every single game. What do you want lalush to micro? he was using hydra/roach off creep, try micro that lol.
Well I didnt watch the rest of the tourney, but from watching him in these finals, he played bad. VERY bad. You can't deny that, regardless of how well he played the other days.
Naama plays smart but not cheesy.. Hes not getting 40 tanks sieging up behind turrets and waiting til zerg is out of minerals (if you ladder, you'll run across those types of terrans once in awhile) but he turtled just enough to have a strong enough force, then went on the agressive. He used terran to their advantage, while lalush just ran his hydras into armies and lost them all over 10+ times, or when he had mutas that one game he did very very little damage/harassing.
using hydra/roach off creep? You run them back and work on your creep spreading, or wait til your army is actually bigger than the opponent. I saw a battle in the last game where lalush had about 20 hydras vs like 8 banshees and 5 marines+2tanks.. If he even took 5-6 hydras off and targeted each individual banshee, he woulda won, but instead he spread his fire between all the marines, and just died. If you dont have an overseer, move back, he was 2 cm away from creep so he woulda been able to (in the middle of blistering sands)..
Point is, lalush played terrible in this match, anyone watching that could see. He was on MAJOR tilt, and his BMing just made it even more pathetic considering how bad he was playing.
(ps. zergs need to stop following idras ideology of "zerg needs to be defensive".. aggressive zerg play is the way to play zerg, which is why we havent seen much zergs being successful outside of DIMAGA, Check and Cool. Idra is the only "macro zerg" to put up results..)
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I liked where Lalush sent his lings to Naamas scv line while using his main army at the exp. That gave him an advantage in that game but he sadly throw it away.
But whats up with the terrible overlord positioning/rallying? Knowing that Naama doesnt make vikings why dont he spread them out more? On metalopolis he could have pretty much denied those drops with some overlords around 3 o´clock. Using nydus worms would have been a great choice as well I think.
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Removing creep is really trivial. All it takes is 1 raven to mow down miles of creep that took quite a chunk of APM from the zerg to spread. Creep can't be the answer, stuff needs to be viable even when off it.
And Lalush's play is as agressive as it gets apart from going all-in. That's not working too well for him either, when has it ever been a good idea to push hard against a terran? Idra is on the right tracks.
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Don't like banshees. Whoever thought of the design concept for banshees over at Blizzard is a complete retard. An easily accessible air unit that 2 shots workers. On top of that no anti air unit in tier1/tier1.5 for one of the races. Way to add insane randomness to the game.
Don't like going hydras. But since he expands with 0 units defending and rushes raven, mutas are a complete waste. Impossible to slow play and take a third, since his expo is so early and so greedy, i'll never have enough to defend if I try to take 3rd and play passive.
Oh and did I mention MULEs are imba. Economic damage is a concept that doesn't apply to terran.
Would have won last game with infestors. Tried to make them at 3-4 different points in the game, only to realise towards the end I somehow failed at putting down an infestation pit.
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Yeah, banshees are pretty ridiculous vs. zerg, if I am to speak frankly.
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On September 25 2010 05:07 Skyze wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 25 2010 04:58 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:52 Skyze wrote:
lol lalush.. he made SOOO many bad decisions and horrible mistakes, its no wonder he lost so bad.
I hate how just because the VERY top zergs like Cool and Idra see a tiny bit of unfairness at the VERY top level (GSL).. people who are no where near their level and basically kill themselves like lalush take it as an excuse to blame their loss on.
lalush is a bad player, he relies on pure macro but has horrible decision making and micro, and it was shown right there. Maybe he should worry less about imbalance and improve himself for once. Yeah, lalush is really bad zerg, he just got to the finals beating Morrow,fuzer,satiini on the way and they are all newb terrans. Naama clearly outplayed him pro macro and micro. Think before you post please. Naama plays the most boring terran I have ever seen. Same opening and unit composition every single game. What do you want lalush to micro? he was using hydra/roach off creep, try micro that lol. Well I didnt watch the rest of the tourney, but from watching him in these finals, he played bad. VERY bad. You can't deny that, regardless of how well he played the other days. Naama plays smart but not cheesy.. Hes not getting 40 tanks sieging up behind turrets and waiting til zerg is out of minerals (if you ladder, you'll run across those types of terrans once in awhile) but he turtled just enough to have a strong enough force, then went on the agressive. He used terran to their advantage, while lalush just ran his hydras into armies and lost them all over 10+ times, or when he had mutas that one game he did very very little damage/harassing. using hydra/roach off creep? You run them back and work on your creep spreading, or wait til your army is actually bigger than the opponent. I saw a battle in the last game where lalush had about 20 hydras vs like 8 banshees and 5 marines+2tanks.. If he even took 5-6 hydras off and targeted each individual banshee, he woulda won, but instead he spread his fire between all the marines, and just died. If you dont have an overseer, move back, he was 2 cm away from creep so he woulda been able to (in the middle of blistering sands).. Point is, lalush played terrible in this match, anyone watching that could see. He was on MAJOR tilt, and his BMing just made it even more pathetic considering how bad he was playing. (ps. zergs need to stop following idras ideology of "zerg needs to be defensive".. aggressive zerg play is the way to play zerg, which is why we havent seen much zergs being successful outside of DIMAGA, Check and Cool. Idra is the only "macro zerg" to put up results..)
You are way overexaggerating things here. Lalush got to the point where he was on 3 base vs 2 base with like more than double the harvesters of Terran. How did he get there? With smart play, aggressively punishing T when he expos that fast. You don't just magically end up with this kind of advantage. Pretty sure the reason he lost G4 was because he didn't transition into T3. If you continue making roach/hydras you just lose no matter what kind of econ advantage you got or however well you attempt to "micro roach/hydra off creep". And like we saw in G2, making ravens w/HSM early on pretty much hard counter muta-builds. Can't wait for more Terrans to start doing that on ladder.
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On September 25 2010 05:07 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:58 Pekkz wrote:On September 25 2010 04:52 Skyze wrote:
lol lalush.. he made SOOO many bad decisions and horrible mistakes, its no wonder he lost so bad.
I hate how just because the VERY top zergs like Cool and Idra see a tiny bit of unfairness at the VERY top level (GSL).. people who are no where near their level and basically kill themselves like lalush take it as an excuse to blame their loss on.
lalush is a bad player, he relies on pure macro but has horrible decision making and micro, and it was shown right there. Maybe he should worry less about imbalance and improve himself for once. Yeah, lalush is really bad zerg, he just got to the finals beating Morrow,fuzer,satiini on the way and they are all newb terrans. Naama clearly outplayed him pro macro and micro. Think before you post please. Naama plays the most boring terran I have ever seen. Same opening and unit composition every single game. What do you want lalush to micro? he was using hydra/roach off creep, try micro that lol. Well I didnt watch the rest of the tourney, but from watching him in these finals, he played bad. VERY bad. You can't deny that, regardless of how well he played the other days. Naama plays smart but not cheesy.. Hes not getting 40 tanks sieging up behind turrets and waiting til zerg is out of minerals (if you ladder, you'll run across those types of terrans once in awhile) but he turtled just enough to have a strong enough force, then went on the agressive. He used terran to their advantage, while lalush just ran his hydras into armies and lost them all over 10+ times, or when he had mutas that one game he did very very little damage/harassing. using hydra/roach off creep? You run them back and work on your creep spreading, or wait til your army is actually bigger than the opponent. I saw a battle in the last game where lalush had about 20 hydras vs like 8 banshees and 5 marines+2tanks.. If he even took 5-6 hydras off and targeted each individual banshee, he woulda won, but instead he spread his fire between all the marines, and just died. If you dont have an overseer, move back, he was 2 cm away from creep so he woulda been able to (in the middle of blistering sands).. Point is, lalush played terrible in this match, anyone watching that could see. He was on MAJOR tilt, and his BMing just made it even more pathetic considering how bad he was playing. (ps. zergs need to stop following idras ideology of "zerg needs to be defensive".. aggressive zerg play is the way to play zerg, which is why we havent seen much zergs being successful outside of DIMAGA, Check and Cool. Idra is the only "macro zerg" to put up results..)
Im not saying lalush played good those last games, cus he didnt.
But why is that naama can do the same build order every game and be successfull? Why do Zerg need to play flawless everygame to be able to win. Why can terran do million misstakes and still win? Why can terran have half the scv count of drones and still win?
Everything boils down to the medivac. And it allways will until blizzard understands how overpowerd that unit is. Mixing medic and dropship was a cool idea, but its extreamly overpowerd.
They need to reduce the ammount it heals, or increase the energy it uses when it heals. Couple dropships can support silly ammount of units. Banshee is also totally retarded, atleast reduce their damage so they need 3 shots to kill workers.
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On September 25 2010 05:06 hifriend wrote:
I've noticed a trend recently in that every time there's a zvt the commentators are constantly praising the terrans micro. Personally I don't find sc2 especially micro intensive but seriously, every terran can't be a micro genius.
Or maybe that's it, terran pickers are inherently better at microing while zerg pickers suck at defending early game, preventing harass and scouting openings. :D
edit: seriously think about this, I guarantee you that in 9 out of 10 terran matchups the commentators will be nerdgasming all over terran micro lol.
I don't know about that, but the part I 'praised' was the decision making from Naama, not the micro per sei.
Great to be co-casting, hoping for more co-casts in the future.
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On September 25 2010 05:01 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:57 3clipse wrote:
Imbalances aside, Naama completely outplayed lalush in those last games. I was really, really impressed when Naama attacked on 3 separate fronts in the Metalopolis game. Lalush played pretty well, but I think his downfall was relying so heavily on roach/hydra. You shouldn't be so impressed; it takes like 1-3 clicks to make each of those tri-front attacks and 3948623864 clicks for the Zerg to counter it
I play zerg, I know how hard it is. Terran is much easier overall, but give Naama some credit. I think he made really smart decisions and had nice micro for the whole series.
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i support Lalush, he manage too well for the options he have... anti air problem its heavy weakness in zerg army, but a set aside of that its the MULE issue i played against on of the top LA terrans 2 years ago and i kill ALL their scvs and he still won.. why? when i check the rep he had more income just throwing mules from 2 OC... sc and many rts are based in hurt the economy of your foes, but terran can win in a retard way, just waiting behind thors, thanks, bunkers, turrets, and every piece of shit that they have and then 1a to enemys expansions and then to his base.
TODAY EVERY NOOB TERRAN CAN PLAY LIKE FLASH WITHOUT HAVE ANY SKILL AT ALL!!!!
ps: is not naama, nor any noob terran playing today.. its an blizzard issue. They need to sell 3 games, wings of liberty its just a shitty terran arcade game.
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On September 25 2010 05:15 LaLuSh wrote:
Don't like banshees. Whoever thought of the design concept for banshees over at Blizzard is a complete retard. An easily accessible air unit that 2 shots workers. On top of that no anti air unit in tier1/tier1.5 for one of the races. Way to add insane randomness to the game.
Don't like going hydras. But since he expands with 0 units defending and rushes raven, mutas are a complete waste. Impossible to slow play and take a third, since his expo is so early and so greedy, i'll never have enough to defend if I try to take 3rd and play passive.
Oh and did I mention MULEs are imba. Economic damage is a concept that doesn't apply to terran.
Would have won last game with infestors. Tried to make them at 3-4 different points in the game, only to realise towards the end I somehow failed at putting down an infestation pit.
Still dont get why mutas are a complete waste? Raven is not very good vs mutas compared to how hydras fare. And mutas gives you map control.
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On September 25 2010 06:02 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 05:15 LaLuSh wrote:
Don't like banshees. Whoever thought of the design concept for banshees over at Blizzard is a complete retard. An easily accessible air unit that 2 shots workers. On top of that no anti air unit in tier1/tier1.5 for one of the races. Way to add insane randomness to the game.
Don't like going hydras. But since he expands with 0 units defending and rushes raven, mutas are a complete waste. Impossible to slow play and take a third, since his expo is so early and so greedy, i'll never have enough to defend if I try to take 3rd and play passive.
Oh and did I mention MULEs are imba. Economic damage is a concept that doesn't apply to terran.
Would have won last game with infestors. Tried to make them at 3-4 different points in the game, only to realise towards the end I somehow failed at putting down an infestation pit. Still dont get why mutas are a complete waste? Raven is not very good vs mutas compared to how hydras fare. And mutas gives you map control.
Raven is much better vs. Mutas than Hydras other than the fact that Hydras cannot run from anything. PDD shines big time vs. slow-firing Mutas as opposed to fast-firing Hydras.
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On September 25 2010 05:47 OminouS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 05:06 hifriend wrote:
I've noticed a trend recently in that every time there's a zvt the commentators are constantly praising the terrans micro. Personally I don't find sc2 especially micro intensive but seriously, every terran can't be a micro genius.
Or maybe that's it, terran pickers are inherently better at microing while zerg pickers suck at defending early game, preventing harass and scouting openings. :D
edit: seriously think about this, I guarantee you that in 9 out of 10 terran matchups the commentators will be nerdgasming all over terran micro lol. I don't know about that, but the part I 'praised' was the decision making from Naama, not the micro per sei. Great to be co-casting, hoping for more co-casts in the future.
Yeah it's not exactly criticism. I mean it's possible terran in nature has more opportunity of impressive micro. I hope you get to co-cast more as well I enjoyed your commentary!
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On September 25 2010 06:13 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 06:02 Hider wrote:On September 25 2010 05:15 LaLuSh wrote:
Don't like banshees. Whoever thought of the design concept for banshees over at Blizzard is a complete retard. An easily accessible air unit that 2 shots workers. On top of that no anti air unit in tier1/tier1.5 for one of the races. Way to add insane randomness to the game.
Don't like going hydras. But since he expands with 0 units defending and rushes raven, mutas are a complete waste. Impossible to slow play and take a third, since his expo is so early and so greedy, i'll never have enough to defend if I try to take 3rd and play passive.
Oh and did I mention MULEs are imba. Economic damage is a concept that doesn't apply to terran.
Would have won last game with infestors. Tried to make them at 3-4 different points in the game, only to realise towards the end I somehow failed at putting down an infestation pit. Still dont get why mutas are a complete waste? Raven is not very good vs mutas compared to how hydras fare. And mutas gives you map control. Raven is much better vs. Mutas than Hydras other than the fact that Hydras cannot run from anything. PDD shines big time vs. slow-firing Mutas as opposed to fast-firing Hydras.
Attack-run away with pdd > mutas.
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On September 25 2010 05:47 OminouS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 05:06 hifriend wrote:
I've noticed a trend recently in that every time there's a zvt the commentators are constantly praising the terrans micro. Personally I don't find sc2 especially micro intensive but seriously, every terran can't be a micro genius.
Or maybe that's it, terran pickers are inherently better at microing while zerg pickers suck at defending early game, preventing harass and scouting openings. :D
edit: seriously think about this, I guarantee you that in 9 out of 10 terran matchups the commentators will be nerdgasming all over terran micro lol. I don't know about that, but the part I 'praised' was the decision making from Naama, not the micro per sei. Great to be co-casting, hoping for more co-casts in the future.
You guys did great. Was most enjoyable. Overall the Viking Cup is one of the best tournament series in my opinion, high quality stream, pleasant casters and entertaining games too. Hopefully your tournament brackets start evening out too with the new patch, much more interesting to see zerg and protoss in there too.
And do some ruthless self-promotion on TL too, bump your thread whenever you're starting a cast. I think you missed like 1k viewers tonight because the TL calendar had some mixup (or maybe I was just tripping, could have sworn it showed the game for saturday evening earlier today) and the thread had no messages about starting a cast.
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On September 25 2010 05:15 LaLuSh wrote:
Don't like banshees. Whoever thought of the design concept for banshees over at Blizzard is a complete retard. An easily accessible air unit that 2 shots workers. On top of that no anti air unit in tier1/tier1.5 for one of the races. Way to add insane randomness to the game.
Don't like going hydras. But since he expands with 0 units defending and rushes raven, mutas are a complete waste. Impossible to slow play and take a third, since his expo is so early and so greedy, i'll never have enough to defend if I try to take 3rd and play passive.
Oh and did I mention MULEs are imba. Economic damage is a concept that doesn't apply to terran.
Would have won last game with infestors. Tried to make them at 3-4 different points in the game, only to realise towards the end I somehow failed at putting down an infestation pit.
SwampZero: you are really bad at this game.
SwampZero has left the game.
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Another ton of bricks will fall tonight as the titans of the Nordic once again knuckle bump and go into murderous battle. Tune in or sign up @ topic!
STREAM / SIGNUP / CHECK-IN 17:30 / BRACKETS
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Is stream laggy for anyone else or is it just me? :/ Now stream is works perfectly.
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Yeah it's lagging for me too.
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Morrow vs. Haypro is coming up soon.
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epic MorroW (Z) v HayprO (Z) bo3 coming up~
edit: or not, MorroW went back to T for this match.
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On October 01 2010 03:06 Ozu wrote:
epic MorroW (Z) v HayprO (Z) bo3 coming up~
edit: or not, MorroW went back to T for this match.
He said in the other thread about his zerg play that he would play terran in tournaments.
Edit: It is a sick game anyway. Thor canon vs bling ultra.
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That was an awesome awesome game
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Lol Kulas Ravine... Haypro forced to go Terran. That was an epic epic g2 though.
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Holy cow!!!! Everyone MUST watch Morrow (T) vs Haypro (Z) game 2 NOW!
Drawn out game with quite a few mistakes, ok, but sooo entertaining! Desert Oasis was almost mined out by the end of the game. It took a few 200/200 vs 200/200 battles to achieve that.
Seriously, that was a lot of fun. GG guys!
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Yes that was an amazing game, hoping Haypro wins the bo3 now
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On October 01 2010 04:05 Uraeus wrote:
Holy cow!!!! Everyone MUST watch Morrow (T) vs Haypro (Z) game 2 NOW!
Drawn out game with quite a few mistakes, ok, but sooo entertaining! Desert Oasis was almost mined out by the end of the game. It took a few 200/200 vs 200/200 battles to achieve that.
Seriously, that was a lot of fun. GG guys! Yeah that was maybe the best sc2 game I have seen. EVER!
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Man... Haypro would've won G3 if he brought all his SCVs for the counter attack. Meatshield scvs w/ stim marauders behind = gg. I guess he isn't experienced enough with Terran yet to make that call.
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On October 01 2010 04:13 teamsolid wrote:
Man... Haypro would've won G3 if he brought all his SCVs for the counter attack. Meatshield scvs w/ stim marauders behind = gg. I guess he isn't experienced enough with Terran yet to make that call.
HE woulda won if he pushed in immediately instead of waiting for morrow to get 2 banshees...
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On October 01 2010 04:14 wintergt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 04:13 teamsolid wrote:
Man... Haypro would've won G3 if he brought all his SCVs for the counter attack. Meatshield scvs w/ stim marauders behind = gg. I guess he isn't experienced enough with Terran yet to make that call. HE woulda won if he pushed in immediately instead of waiting for morrow to get 2 banshees...
Probably yes, but Morrow pulled a ton of scvs and had 2 tanks + full bunker up vs about 8 marauders, a bit harder to call. With SCVs, it'd be 100% win.
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Felt like Haypro was playing like a zerg still. He flipped out and stopped making SCVs for a long time and went for the huge push when he lost that huge chunk of workers. Unlike for zerg, losing 3/4 of your workers early game is not a huge deal for terran, especially when he had his second orbital command up already. Could have gone for the harass like he did, and keep making workers out of both and would have come up on top for sure.
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It's a shame the last game was on Kulas Ravine
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As much as DO is horrible to play, I usually enjoy watching others play on it.
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Wasn't there supposed to be some games tonight? I think TheBeard said something about 7 or 8 pm (in his own time zone, CET is it) today but there's nothing on the calendar, as he said that there would be.
E: TheBeard just said on IRC that the matches will not be cast live today (friday). They will be up as VODs sometime saturday.
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Too bad, was looking forward to it.
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As a response to the guys above, the final was VODed and can be found HERE.
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Another ton of bricks will fall tonight as the titans of the Nordic once again knuckle bump and go into murderous battle. Tune in or sign up @ topic!
STREAM / SIGNUP / CHECK-IN 17:30 / BRACKETS
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Where is everyone's favorite Terran turned Zerg, MorroW today?
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nice, more nordic action! thebeard ftw
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Oh yeah almost forgot viking cup. I'll be tuning in tonight.
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You are awesome and articulate for a metal lover. Keep rocking and bringing us great SC2.
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Where is bracket from Viking Cup #18????
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