PLU.cn is hosting a 12 player invite tournament with a total prize purse of about 3200 Dollar. 12 Players have been invited (I am not sure if the chinese players had to play preliminary rounds).
7 Chinese players: Ace, Beckham, EricPanda, Fengzi, Loner, Macsed, Xiaot 1 Taiwanese player: Sen 1 Korean players : Freedom 3 European players: Demuslim, White-Ra, TheLittleOne
Chinese players and Sen start in Round of 12 (best of three), Freedom and the europeans have been seeded to Round of 8 (best of seven).
Date: 5.13 Round1 Loner vs MacSed xiaOt vs Sen 5.14 Round1 Ericpanda vs Fengzi Ace vs Beckham 5.16 Quarter-1/4 Freedom vs Ace/Beckham 5.17 Quarter-2/4 The Little One vs Ericpanda/Fengzi 5.18 Quarter-3/4 Demuslim vs Loner/MacSed 5.20 Quarter-4/4 White-Ra vs xiaOt/Sen 5.23 Semi-Top Half 5.24 Semi-Bottom Half 5.30 Champion-Final
maps：
Blistering Sands Desert Oasis Incineration Zone Kulas Ravine Lost Temple Metalopolis Steppes of War Scrap Station
Bonus:
Champion RMB12,000 2nd RMB6,000 Two 3rd players both RMB2,000
and you can choose pplive ppstream or uussee at the bottom.and you'll need IE as an activex control is required to get the pplive，ppstream or uussee player working.
On May 12 2010 17:08 TBO wrote: PLU.cn is hosting a 12 player invite tournament with a total prize purse of about 3200 Dollar. 12 Players have been invited (I am not sure if the chinese players had to play preliminary rounds).
7 Chinese players: Ace, Beckham, EricPanda, Fengzi, Loner, Macsed, Xiaot 1 Taiwanese players: Sen 1 Korean players : Freedom 3 European players: Demuslim, White-Ra, TheLittleone
Chinese players and Sen start in Round of 12 (best of three), Freedom and the europeans have been seeded to Round of 8 (best of seven).
Round of 12 Matches start on Thursday 13th Round of 8 Matches will start on Monday 17th (will update the topic with all the dates and times later)
why so? I'd invite 4 more players and go with an standard 16 player single KO. Does not seem to be fair to me that an chinese site is seeding europeans to the next round
On May 12 2010 17:08 TBO wrote: PLU.cn is hosting a 12 player invite tournament with a total prize purse of about 3200 Dollar. 12 Players have been invited (I am not sure if the chinese players had to play preliminary rounds).
7 Chinese players: Ace, Beckham, EricPanda, Fengzi, Loner, Macsed, Xiaot 1 Taiwanese players: Sen 1 Korean players : Freedom 3 European players: Demuslim, White-Ra, TheLittleone
Chinese players and Sen start in Round of 12 (best of three), Freedom and the europeans have been seeded to Round of 8 (best of seven).
Round of 12 Matches start on Thursday 13th Round of 8 Matches will start on Monday 17th (will update the topic with all the dates and times later)
why so? I'd invite 4 more players and go with an standard 16 player single KO. Does not seem to be fair to me that an chinese site is seeding europeans to the next round
It's no different from them having a qualifier for the Chinese players where top4 get seeded and inviting the European players.
Top Half 1/4 Freedom vs Ace/Beckham 2/4 The Little One vs Ericpanda/Fengzi Bottom Half 3/4 Demuslim vs Loner/MacSed 4/4 White-Ra vs xiaOt/Sen
Live time: 19:30(Beijing time)
Date: 5.13 Round1 Loner vs MacSed xiaOt vs Sen 5.14 Round1 Ericpanda vs Fengzi Ace vs Beckham 5.16 Quarter-1/4 Freedom vs Ace/Beckham 5.17 Quarter-2/4 The Little One vs Ericpanda/Fengzi 5.18 Quarter-3/4 Demuslim vs Loner/MacSed 5.20 Quarter-4/4 White-Ra vs xiaOt/Sen 5.23 Semi-Top Half 5.24 Semi-Bottom Half 5.27-29(tbd) Champion-Final
maps：
Blistering Sands Desert Oasis Incineration Zone Kulas Ravine Lost Temple Metalopolis Steppes of War Scrap Station
Bonus:
Champion RMB12,000 2nd RMB6,000 Two 3rd players both RMB2,000
On May 12 2010 17:08 TBO wrote: PLU.cn is hosting a 12 player invite tournament with a total prize purse of about 3200 Dollar. 12 Players have been invited (I am not sure if the chinese players had to play preliminary rounds).
7 Chinese players: Ace, Beckham, EricPanda, Fengzi, Loner, Macsed, Xiaot 1 Taiwanese players: Sen 1 Korean players : Freedom 3 European players: Demuslim, White-Ra, TheLittleone
Chinese players and Sen start in Round of 12 (best of three), Freedom and the europeans have been seeded to Round of 8 (best of seven).
Round of 12 Matches start on Thursday 13th Round of 8 Matches will start on Monday 17th (will update the topic with all the dates and times later)
why so? I'd invite 4 more players and go with an standard 16 player single KO. Does not seem to be fair to me that an chinese site is seeding europeans to the next round
Well, one of the focuses of this tournament is just to get more people playing across different servers and let Chinese people see games with Europeans and the such.
I really hope Blizzard pays more attention to these kinds of tournies and seriously reconsiders their server segregation.
Considering Blizzard didn't even have a Chinese Beta and is probably going to delay the release of SC 2 in China for about a year, I think it's about as much as you can expect. It's just a small community (predominantly ex-WC 3 organizations) doing a lot of these things.
On May 13 2010 21:05 WoLFoU wrote: When the other matchs will be played ?
What about checking OP? 5.13 Round1 Loner vs MacSed xiaOt vs Sen 5.14 Round1 Ericpanda vs Fengzi Ace vs Beckham 5.16 Quarter-1/4 Freedom vs Ace/Beckham 5.17 Quarter-2/4 The Little One vs Ericpanda/Fengzi 5.18 Quarter-3/4 Demuslim vs Loner/MacSed 5.20 Quarter-4/4 White-Ra vs xiaOt/Sen 5.23 Semi-Top Half 5.24 Semi-Bottom Half 5.27-29(tbd) Champion-Final
On May 13 2010 21:45 Striker[JC] wrote: That build is very strong against T. Hard to scout it and T basically don't have E-Bay in that time, scan too. Maybe for 1 use.
So T may better block the way by buildings,when DT comes let SCVS to repair buildings
DTs are so powerfull and can kill supply when SCV repairing it. Already tried. 2 DT's took out Supply when 3 SCVs repairing. I couldn'trepair with more SCVs because of no free place around.
On May 13 2010 22:44 Primadog wrote: Hey Prodtoss, in the cast I read people mentioning odds (1:1.9 Sen). Do the people in the mainland place bets with actual money on SC2 matches?
On May 13 2010 22:44 Primadog wrote: Hey Prodtoss, in the cast I read people mentioning odds (1:1.9 Sen). Do the people in the mainland place bets with actual money on SC2 matches?
its finished for today, stream link is: http://2.plu.cn/ (you can only watch with IE and need an activeX plugin which is installed when you click on the uustream or ppstream button below the streaming window.
the vods are actually uploaded to youku,link back to PLU site.so the good news is you dont need IE to watch it,but you may get lagy watching because youku didnt purchase enough bandwidth for users outside china.
On May 17 2010 21:19 cyclone25 wrote: how do you beat that terran mech? rofl
I really don't know how zerg can cope with that mech...
drops
gl at dropping bases defended by siege tanks, thors and vikings
Not to mention how long and expensive is the drop tech, and if scouted you are either screwed with nice base defense by Terran or get ready to sacrifice your expos/main. Not to mention drop doesn't work on all positions.
Will there be any other streams provided than the http://2.plu.cn/ one? Since so many people (including me) are having problem with it despite trying it in IE.
On May 17 2010 22:35 110595910 wrote: i dont know how the nooblish eric get the chance to represent in asia team, never heard of this guy
I love how whenever one play dominates another in a series people always go like "Oh man the others a total noob"
To be fair, Eric is pretty bad...
I'm really interested in the TLO vs. Freedom match, as Freedom is considered one of the top Zergs in Korea. Now that he knows he's against mech play, he'll have to come up with a counter, which I don't think exists yet.
Though TLO might just random P or Z three times in a row and lose that way...
On May 17 2010 22:35 110595910 wrote: i dont know how the nooblish eric get the chance to represent in asia team, never heard of this guy
I love how whenever one play dominates another in a series people always go like "Oh man the others a total noob"
To be fair, Eric is pretty bad...
I'm really interested in the TLO vs. Freedom match, as Freedom is considered one of the top Zergs in Korea. Now that he knows he's against mech play, he'll have to come up with a counter, which I don't think exists yet.
Though TLO might just random P or Z three times in a row and lose that way...
He isn't restricted to play Random in this Tournament, he just has to announce which Race (or Random) he is playing on each map before the Series starts.
Vs Eric he picked Terran for each map except Blistering Sands and Kulas Ravine and he will probably do that again.
On May 18 2010 14:59 LennethEX wrote: I hope someone streams this again... Asia seems very fond of IE and obscure, site specific plugins in order to play live video.
metalopolis Demuslim on the top-left,mac on the top-right,Mac build a gas in Demuslim's base,
Dem 3 barracks natural expand,Mac 2collos expand.Dem drop in main kill 8 probs.big push by demuslim with 7vikings mass M&M,Macsed seems have no micro,said GG
If you do try to watch the official streams yourself I'd advise using uuSee as the image quality is much the same as PPlive but it doesn't stress your connection nearly as badly.
On May 18 2010 23:09 DeMusliM wrote: he beat loner 2-1 before he played me, and i heard alot of good things about loner so i trained hard.
Well played today, someone on PLU forum think dark templer can be a key unit to break your tactic,coz:
1. Your tech tree is quite slow
2. You use a lot Mana to scout
I lost to him on blistering - i scouted 4 gates so i thought he pushes, didn't expect DT t.t - but i usually get faster engi bay than i did - but on blistering the 2 ways into your base make it much harder.
And i use all mana on mules - just reapers to scout ^^
Ah I missed todays games. Great news though, gratz demuslim! Oh man, every chinese player is already eliminated ^^ Verrry curious to see if white-ra will get his revenge vs sen for the Asia v Europe showmatch
Friends from China, I get the feeling that you guys are not very happy with your players right now
I can somewhat understand, though. I think the Chinese SC/SC 2 scene has a critical weakness in that it follows the Korean scene too much. Unlike in WC 3, where Chinese players have developed their own styles, methods, and insights, and have applied them to great effect, in SC/SC 2 the shadow of past Korean dominance has made Chinese SC/SC 2 extremely dependent on Korea for strategic analysis and the meta-game, which creates a situation in which Chinese players are always just one step behind.
That, I think, is probably the biggest weakness of Chinese players at the moment. They have solid mechanics, but their strategies are not very adaptive, and seem geared towards imitation and improvisation rather than bleeding-edge innovation.
On May 19 2010 05:03 Azarkon wrote: Friends from China, I get the feeling that you guys are not very happy with your players right now
I can somewhat understand, though. I think the Chinese SC/SC 2 scene has a critical weakness in that it follows the Korean scene too much. Unlike in WC 3, where Chinese players have developed their own styles, methods, and insights, and have applied them to great effect, in SC/SC 2 the shadow of past Korean dominance has made Chinese SC/SC 2 extremely dependent on Korea for strategic analysis and the meta-game, which creates a situation in which Chinese players are always just one step behind.
That, I think, is probably the biggest weakness of Chinese players at the moment. They have solid mechanics, but their strategies are not very adaptive, and seem geared towards imitation and improvisation rather than bleeding-edge innovation.
Actually I dont expect they have good performance against Europern and Korean now.In my opinion,which country has the most players in that game,which country will dominate that game.Korean's SC strong,simply cause they have so many SC players.Dota is popular in China these years,which also make China has best Dota team.We all known anyone in Korea can try the beta at PC room no need a key.
Since everyone just played this game for three months,the best players nowadays undoubted have rts background.WC3 in Europe has dead,which made players like lucifron and demuslim switch to SC2.Then WC3 in China is half dead,there are still some tournaments exist.Have you seen hasuobs's premates th000 and fly100% attend any SC2 tournaments?They are pro,so which game they can get most prizes which game they will play.The same thing also happen to grubby cause he still can accept some invitations.
When we will see many really powerful SC2 Chinese players?At least after the game is offical published in China.By the way, I will have to buy a HongKong edition to log on Korean server.
Set 1: White-Ra < Metalopolis > Sen Set 2: White-Ra < TBD > Sen Set 3: White-Ra < TBD > Sen Set 4: White-Ra < TBD > Sen Set 5: White-Ra < TBD > Sen Set 6: White-Ra < TBD > Sen Set 7: White-Ra < TBD > Sen
White-Ra is a strategic player more so than he is an apm player. This means that what he needs to do to win this is to come up with better strategies, cause he's getting destroyed with this one-ball play.
On May 20 2010 21:42 Azarkon wrote: White-Ra is a strategic player more so than he is an apm player. This means that what he needs to do to win this is to come up with better strategies, cause he's getting destroyed with this one-ball play.
Except that's just intrinsic property in a Protoss army. A protoss army is just weaker when it is divided as they need each unit to support each other. Also you can't expect a player to make up a build on the spot. They need to practice something new alot of times to perfect it.
What the hell was with that? With that positioning, Second Gate or Forge needs to go down way before the expansion =/ White-ras one of my favourite players but that looked bronze or copper level..
By the way, what was this tourney.. best of 7 I'm assuming?
On May 20 2010 21:54 boesthius wrote: this is kind of sad tbh, sen's aggressive play is just overpowering ra's greedy fe
today's games seem rather sloppy compared to yesterday - losing cols too easily, bad decision making
Why do people not give more credit to Sen? Maybe, White-Ra isn't playing poorer than yesterday. Maybe Sen is just on a whole other level. Strategies that work against Check yesterday might not work on Sen. If Sen watched White-Ra's matches yesterday, he probably knew what was coming as it was the same strategy.
On May 20 2010 21:54 ruiee wrote: is sen cheating? he didn't go for 2 base cos he know tat whitera is going to rush before his overlord see the protoss
considering the kind of player and how mannered sen is, that's absurd.
jesus
Considering how Sen thinks white-ra only chance to win this series is by playing aggressively early game , it's understandable why Sen has been playing safe against him.
On May 20 2010 21:54 boesthius wrote: this is kind of sad tbh, sen's aggressive play is just overpowering ra's greedy fe
today's games seem rather sloppy compared to yesterday - losing cols too easily, bad decision making
Why do people not give more credit to Sen? Maybe, White-Ra isn't playing poorer than yesterday. Maybe Sen is just on a whole other level. Strategies that work against Check yesterday might not work on Sen. If Sen watched White-Ra's matches yesterday, he probably knew what was coming as it was the same strategy.
On May 20 2010 22:19 boesthius wrote: i'm comparing it to the last time sen played ra and the fact that i've been streaming sc2 and watching ra's play for the past while now. i wasn't saying that sen is inferior, but some of ra's play is off today.
Some funny stuff for u guys,one of the commentators is good friend of ra(ra mailed him two bottles of vodka before) and he type "white-ra,at least have one win",and then white-ra wins
On May 20 2010 22:28 Turbotitan wrote: Some funny stuff for u guys,one of the commentators is good friend of ra(ra mailed him two bottles of vodka before) and he type "white-ra,at least have one win",and then white-ra wins
haha I see, I was wondering why, despite me not speaking a word of chinese, it seemed like the commentators were rooting for white-ra
On May 20 2010 22:28 Turbotitan wrote: Some funny stuff for u guys,one of the commentators is good friend of ra(ra mailed him two bottles of vodka before) and he type "white-ra,at least have one win",and then white-ra wins
WhiteRa is working on keeping up the Eastern European stereotypes, I see.
On May 20 2010 23:00 Azarkon wrote: DO is a different map. I think it has some interesting dynamics, personally. Phoenixes would've dominated those mutas.
Ra knows he is not good at APM, so he seldom produce units like HTs, sentries, phoenixes and so on
On May 20 2010 23:00 Azarkon wrote: DO is a different map. I think it has some interesting dynamics, personally. Phoenixes would've dominated those mutas.
Spot on there Azarkon! I like the Asian approach of continuing to play with the entire map pool to see how things develop, instead of deciding that we already know with 100% certainty which ones are useless for competitive sc2 play.
On May 21 2010 03:35 xephon wrote: so sad that White-ra is out but this is a small cup and Sen is the only chinese player left anyway.
Well if WhiteRa had won, every single chinese player would have failed. And that would have....no wait: IS sad. Because Sen is from Taiwan. At least according to the gg.net database.
It's pretty sad, but it seems most of the top players in this invitational were favorites anyway, so I don't think they'll lose too many viewers. It's like watching WCG when all the foreigner players get knocked out - you just have to pick a Korean to cheer for.
On May 21 2010 03:35 xephon wrote: so sad that White-ra is out but this is a small cup and Sen is the only chinese player left anyway.
Well if WhiteRa had won, every single chinese player would have failed. And that would have....no wait: IS sad. Because Sen is from Taiwan. At least according to the gg.net database.
all you lil fucking trolls trying to stir shit up in tournaments thread need to be getting snap banned.
On May 21 2010 03:35 xephon wrote: so sad that White-ra is out but this is a small cup and Sen is the only chinese player left anyway.
Well if WhiteRa had won, every single chinese player would have failed. And that would have....no wait: IS sad. Because Sen is from Taiwan. At least according to the gg.net database.
all you lil fucking trolls trying to stir shit up in tournaments thread need to be getting snap banned.
Ok. So what's your problem, sir? Have you had a bad day? Is there something i can do for you? o.O''
Set 1: Demuslim < Lost Temple > Sen Set 2: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 3: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 4: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 5: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 6: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 7: Demuslim < TBD > Sen
Early on in the Beta, yes. Goody beat Sen in the Zotac, as did Demuslim. But lately, Sen has become a beast, and I hope that Demuslim has something up his sleeve.
On May 23 2010 18:34 Azarkon wrote: Early on in the Beta, yes. Goody beat Sen in the Zotac, as did Demuslim. But lately, Sen has become a beast, and I hope that Demuslim has something up his sleeve.
They should just stop playing it... bo7 with those battle.net conditions is just terrible. I think Demuslim was ahead even.. so; its terrible for the players. Hoping for Ben to take it anyways.
Really entertaining thor play there. It seemed like it delayed his own expo by quite a bit though, not sure if it payed off enough, despite killing multiple queens.
i asked for it to be postponed - as i really don't wanna be in a position where we never finish a game. I don't know how sen's economy/army was compared to mine the first game - but i don't think there is any point playing when each game is more likely to crash than not.
On May 23 2010 21:05 DeMusliM wrote: i asked for it to be postponed - as i really don't wanna be in a position where we never finish a game. I don't know how sen's economy/army was compared to mine the first game - but i don't think there is any point playing when each game is more likely to crash than not.
Wise decision Ben, since I dont think you would ever finish a bo7 with those conditions.
On May 23 2010 21:05 DeMusliM wrote: i asked for it to be postponed - as i really don't wanna be in a position where we never finish a game. I don't know how sen's economy/army was compared to mine the first game - but i don't think there is any point playing when each game is more likely to crash than not.
That is probably for the best. Bnet is unplayable right now.
On May 24 2010 07:37 teamsolid wrote: Thx. I really wish Patch 13 wasn't such fail and I could watch the reps.. the VODs will do for now I guess.
You're telling me... I've been dying to watch a single sen replay.
Speaking of Sen, is it just me or did he change up his playstyle in his matches against white ra?
Whenever I watch his stream on metalopolis he usually just turtles hard on three bases, amasses a lot of spine crawlers and and army, and then he moves out a bit and double expands. Then he proceeds to tech to broodlords. In that first game against White Ra though he stuck to 3 bases and tier 2 on the most part. Engaged in multiprong attacks luring white ra's army to the main with drops while attacking his expos with speedlings and hydras. Very nice!
On May 24 2010 21:43 HolydaKing wrote: ultralisks still suck so much
It was 6 thors and couple of tanks + support against always a few ultras... wtf? what do you expect-_- and the ultralisks managed to clean it up still.
On May 24 2010 21:43 HolydaKing wrote: ultralisks still suck so much
It was 6 thors and couple of tanks + support against always a few ultras... wtf? what do you expect-_- and the ultralisks managed to clean it up still.
only because the thors focus fired the hatch, else i doubt the thors would've died
Games still going. Freedom just did a lot of damage with an ultra + muta army. Hard to tell whos ahead because the streamer doesn't like to show army / income tabs very much.
Nevermind, TLO way ahead. Not much Freedom can do at this point.
cause vikings build from factories, and btw any zerg ever look at how many zergs are in the 17173 cup? like 60% zergs overall, i hardly doubt zerg ist so underpowered right now as most people want to make it look like.
On May 24 2010 21:58 Hens wrote: cause vikings build from factories, and btw any zerg ever look at how many zergs are in the 17173 cup? like 60% zergs overall, i hardly doubt zerg ist so underpowered right now as most people want to make it look like.
That mech combination is just really hard to beat. Also be careful about sarcastic comments like this. Obviously you can swap factory/starport and start building vikings-_-
On May 24 2010 21:58 Hens wrote: cause vikings build from factories, and btw any zerg ever look at how many zergs are in the 17173 cup? like 60% zergs overall, i hardly doubt zerg ist so underpowered right now as most people want to make it look like.
That mech combination is just really hard to beat. Also be careful about sarcastic comments like this. Obviously you can swap factory/starport and start building vikings-_-
well benelings + muta totally nulifies any bio army its not like terran has other options than going mech
On May 24 2010 21:58 Hens wrote: cause vikings build from factories, and btw any zerg ever look at how many zergs are in the 17173 cup? like 60% zergs overall, i hardly doubt zerg ist so underpowered right now as most people want to make it look like.
if you wanna see how broodlords do against TLO, watch ericpanda vs tlo on scrap station... similar situation, with zerg getting ahead a bit in economy and then getting annihilated by tlos army
Mech as Terran is really strong; you can beat far better players even when being worse, but TLO also has the skill to back up so its even harder to beat good player doing it. One concern about mech is, losing a huge fight makes you lose the game entirely, good thing that nearly never happens.
On May 24 2010 22:13 G.s)NarutO wrote: Mech as Terran is really strong; you can beat far better players even when being worse, but TLO also has the skill to back up so its even harder to beat good player doing it. One concern about mech is, losing a huge fight makes you lose the game entirely, good thing that nearly never happens.
gOGO tlo, make it 4-0.
Tech switches are also hugely in T favor with mech. Z has so many different upgrades to get. I can't watch cause I don't have IE (someone stream <3!) but I assume Freedom didn't have full upgrades on mutas, ultras and hydra/roach at the same time.
On May 24 2010 22:13 G.s)NarutO wrote: Mech as Terran is really strong; you can beat far better players even when being worse, but TLO also has the skill to back up so its even harder to beat good player doing it. One concern about mech is, losing a huge fight makes you lose the game entirely, good thing that nearly never happens.
gOGO tlo, make it 4-0.
Tech switches are also hugely in T favor with mech. Z has so many different upgrades to get. I can't watch cause I don't have IE (someone stream <3!) but I assume Freedom didn't have full upgrades on mutas, ultras and hydra/roach at the same time.
TLO 4-0. Its like in Broodwar , if a mech terran hits critical mass on tanks + anti air, you are screwed.. but thats how it works. If I let Zerg take the whole map, it doesn't matter if my mainarmy is superstrong, when he can just build whatever he want and how often he wants^_-
On May 24 2010 22:21 frumplejoon wrote: that was a brutal whipping by TLO, hope they finish his series w/sen, would like to see how he handles the mech
SEn is up by 2 games.. and I think SEn is better than Freedom in every aspect. Micro, Macro, Multitasking and overall gameplay / army composition.
On May 24 2010 22:21 frumplejoon wrote: that was a brutal whipping by TLO, hope they finish his series w/sen, would like to see how he handles the mech
sen already went 2-0 vs TLO in a different tourney, the only Z player whos beaten TLO with his build so far I think. I only watched one game, where he beat TLO with a pretty early roach drop.
On May 24 2010 22:21 frumplejoon wrote: that was a brutal whipping by TLO, hope they finish his series w/sen, would like to see how he handles the mech
sen already went 2-0 vs TLO in a different tourney, the only Z player whos beaten TLO with his build so far I think. I only watched one game, where he beat TLO with a pretty early roach drop.
TLO was definitely up in G1 until that misstep (or non-step...) with his vikings. G2 was definitely in Sen's favor though.
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
TLO vs Sen would look very differently if they played whole series all over again. G1 TLO saw for the first time counter against his strategy. That counter imo worked because they were next to each other. OL drop would hardly to do that much damage if Sen would have had to move his OLs across the map w/o OL speed with vikings flying all over the map. Didn't see the G2, though. My point is that it's just 2 games and TLO was caught of guard. Still, I expect the games to be pretty even. I find it unlikely for Sen to rape TLO.
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
i agree, i think the roach change was unnecessary because roaches are the best counter to terran mech. im pretty sure its gonna be addressed in next patches
On May 24 2010 22:38 Spidinko wrote: TLO vs Sen would look very differently if they played whole series all over again. G1 TLO saw for the first time counter against his strategy. That counter imo worked because they were next to each other. OL drop would hardly to do that much damage if Sen would have had to move his OLs across the map w/o OL speed with vikings flying all over the map. Didn't see the G2, though. My point is that it's just 2 games and TLO was caught of guard. Still, I expect the games to be pretty even. I find it unlikely for Sen to rape TLO.
I never even said that sen would be a favourite if they rematched. But I do think that sen had the right idea abusing the immobility of Terran. Seems to be the only way that TLO can be beaten in this matchup. Anyways, hoping for great matches in sen vs demuslim and TLO vs the winner of that. TLO already made like 880$ if my calculations are right just by making the finals, that's pretty awesome
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
Its like PredY said, who's undoubtly really good Terran in Broodwar. You cannot take on a Terran Mech army straight up as Zerg. Its designed to be like that. Thats why Zerg units are cheaper and faster produced. You need to send wave after wave, OR don't let him get that critical mass. And no, its not impossible to tear up terrans before hitting the already named critical mass.
Also I think the roaches are fucked up and too weak right now-_-;
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
i agree, i think the roach change was unnecessary because roaches are the best counter to terran mech. im pretty sure its gonna be addressed in next patches
damn it. i was hoping ud disagree and give me some interesting ideas on how to beat terran mech ;;;;
I wasn't addressing anyone in particular. I was just getting a feeling that many people think Sen is much better than TLO and would 2-0 him again if they faced each other. Which is far from truth. They are both amazing players and neither is much ahead.
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
Its like PredY said, who's undoubtly really good Terran in Broodwar. You cannot take on a Terran Mech army straight up as Zerg. Its designed to be like that. Thats why Zerg units are cheaper and faster produced. You need to send wave after wave into sieged tanks, OR don't let him get that critical mass. And no, its not impossible to tear up terrans before hitting the already named critical mass.
Also I think the roaches are fucked up and too weak right now-_-;
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
Its like PredY said, who's undoubtly really good Terran in Broodwar. You cannot take on a Terran Mech army straight up as Zerg. Its designed to be like that. Thats why Zerg units are cheaper and faster produced. You need to send wave after wave into sieged tanks, OR don't let him get that critical mass. And no, its not impossible to tear up terrans before hitting the already named critical mass.
Also I think the roaches are fucked up and too weak right now-_-;
On May 24 2010 22:51 Spidinko wrote: I was just getting a feeling that many people think Sen is much better than TLO and would 2-0 him again if they faced each other.
On May 24 2010 22:51 Spidinko wrote: I wasn't addressing anyone in particular. I was just getting a feeling that many people think Sen is much better than TLO and would 2-0 him again if they faced each other. Which is far from truth. They are both amazing players and neither is much ahead.
mh no I think you're mistaken I dont think anyone even hinted at Sen being much better than TLO. Both are just amazing indeed.
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
i agree, i think the roach change was unnecessary because roaches are the best counter to terran mech. im pretty sure its gonna be addressed in next patches
damn it. i was hoping ud disagree and give me some interesting ideas on how to beat terran mech ;;;;
well i think the general idea would be like this, get a spine crawler to prevent marine/hellion rush, then mutas to counter the air and harass a bit, get the 3rd up. i think massing roaches with upgrades and burrow is a good idea, especially when T doesnt get fast raven.
then my advice would be fight ONLY ON the creep and pick YOUR spot to attack with a good surround. start nydusing as soon as you get your 3rd up and try to prevent T from getting his 3rd if possible. then my ultimate unit combo would be roach/ling/(bling to blow up the hellions)/muta
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
Its like PredY said, who's undoubtly really good Terran in Broodwar. You cannot take on a Terran Mech army straight up as Zerg. Its designed to be like that. Thats why Zerg units are cheaper and faster produced. You need to send wave after wave into sieged tanks, OR don't let him get that critical mass. And no, its not impossible to tear up terrans before hitting the already named critical mass.
Also I think the roaches are fucked up and too weak right now-_-;
Fixed xD
"Romania" ...
What do you mean by that? What if I'm from Romania? lol ...
Not sure what that is tbh... its not a semifinal so..
looks like the game of the highlight movie with masstank + marine vs phoenix + warpgate army and loner winning, not sure though. Seems like an old game. Yup.. its that game.
On May 24 2010 22:21 frumplejoon wrote: that was a brutal whipping by TLO, hope they finish his series w/sen, would like to see how he handles the mech
SEn is up by 2 games.. and I think SEn is better than Freedom in every aspect. Micro, Macro, Multitasking and overall gameplay / army composition.
You could be right, but even Sen had trouble with mech on Kulas Ravine. It's simply a very, very hard build to beat as Zerg, simply because Zerg does not have nearly the same options as it did in BW (no plague, no dark swarm, no stacked mutas, no scourge), whereas Terran has far more options than it ever did in BW (thors, vikings, banshees, etc.) Mech is stronger than it was; that's what everybody is noticing after the initial "zomg marauder ball" syndrome wore off.
Hell, mech is strong even vs. Protoss, and it's already become the standard in TvT.
Tester and Artosis were complaining about Terran imba a while ago. I guess now they have more evidence that Terran truly is the strongest race. And to think that Blizzard just went ahead and buffed Terran three times in a row (even I thought that was excessive).
Nevertheless, well-played by TLO. A lesser player would still have crumbled, but his mech play is incredibly polished and solid.
On May 24 2010 22:27 PredY wrote: it's the same as in bw, you can't beat mech straight up, you need to harass, drop, nydus, burrowed roaches, expand and shit
yea but the issue is that no matter how much of a macro advantage u get u will never ever be able to take the terran head on.
the terran mech mix hard counters ALL zerg army compositions.
and also terran going mech still has better harassment tools then zerg does. So it's like you lose in the macro army composition department and you lose in harassment department
Its like PredY said, who's undoubtly really good Terran in Broodwar. You cannot take on a Terran Mech army straight up as Zerg. Its designed to be like that. Thats why Zerg units are cheaper and faster produced. You need to send wave after wave into sieged tanks, OR don't let him get that critical mass. And no, its not impossible to tear up terrans before hitting the already named critical mass.
Also I think the roaches are fucked up and too weak right now-_-;
Fixed xD
"Romania" ...
What do you mean by that? What if I'm from Romania? lol ...
It's a forum specific meme about romanians not understanding sarcasm. There was a thread once where like 3 romanian posters in a row didn't get a sarcastic post.... and well, you know how the internet is ;p
Having said that, I've still yet to see a Zerg player going the mass baneling (maybe with mass overlord drop) strategy that Day9 recommended in his daily. Combined with burrowed roaches and mutalisks, it might be possible to beat mech mid-game...
But it seems that a lot of the power in mech comes up fairly early in the amount of harass Terran is able to do, which banelings do not address. One of its strongest points lies in its ability to threaten with BOTH thorships and banshees, which have significantly different early game counters. Mass queens or quick hydras can deal with banshees, but they cannot deal with thors. Roaches and speedlings can deal with thors, but they cannot deal with banshees. Combined with the threat of hellions and tank drops, the build's versatility requires the Zerg to account for 4-5 threats simultaneously.
On May 25 2010 00:10 Azarkon wrote: Having said that, I've still yet to see a Zerg player going the mass baneling (maybe with mass overlord drop) strategy that Day9 recommended in his daily. Combined with burrowed roaches and mutalisks, it might be possible to beat mech mid-game...
But it seems that a lot of the power in mech comes up fairly early in the amount of harass Terran is able to do, which banelings do not address. One of its strongest points lies in its ability to threaten with BOTH thorships and banshees, which have significantly different early game counters. Mass queens or quick hydras can deal with banshees, but they cannot deal with thors. Roaches and speedlings can deal with thors, but they cannot deal with banshees. Combined with the threat of hellions and tank drops, the build's versatility requires the Zerg to account for 4-5 threats simultaneously.
On May 24 2010 22:21 frumplejoon wrote: that was a brutal whipping by TLO, hope they finish his series w/sen, would like to see how he handles the mech
SEn is up by 2 games.. and I think SEn is better than Freedom in every aspect. Micro, Macro, Multitasking and overall gameplay / army composition.
You could be right, but even Sen had trouble with mech on Kulas Ravine. It's simply a very, very hard build to beat as Zerg, simply because Zerg does not have nearly the same options as it did in BW (no plague, no dark swarm, no stacked mutas, no scourge), whereas Terran has far more options than it ever did in BW (thors, vikings, banshees, etc.) Mech is stronger than it was; that's what everybody is noticing after the initial "zomg marauder ball" syndrome wore off.
its more about what terrans gained than what zerg has lost, its just way too easy for t to absolutely nullify most of what zerg can do. 3 thors and mutas are worthless. blue hellions and lings are worthless. tanks and hydras are worthless. so you're left with a single unit before hive tech and its not like its a counter, its just the only thing that doesnt fail absolutely.
On May 24 2010 22:21 frumplejoon wrote: that was a brutal whipping by TLO, hope they finish his series w/sen, would like to see how he handles the mech
SEn is up by 2 games.. and I think SEn is better than Freedom in every aspect. Micro, Macro, Multitasking and overall gameplay / army composition.
You could be right, but even Sen had trouble with mech on Kulas Ravine. It's simply a very, very hard build to beat as Zerg, simply because Zerg does not have nearly the same options as it did in BW (no plague, no dark swarm, no stacked mutas, no scourge), whereas Terran has far more options than it ever did in BW (thors, vikings, banshees, etc.) Mech is stronger than it was; that's what everybody is noticing after the initial "zomg marauder ball" syndrome wore off.
its more about what terrans gained than what zerg has lost, its just way too easy for t to absolutely nullify most of what zerg can do. 3 thors and mutas are worthless. blue hellions and lings are worthless. tanks and hydras are worthless. so you're left with a single unit before hive tech and its not like its a counter, its just the only thing that doesnt fail absolutely.
Certainly true. I suppose that before the roach nerf, it was possible to brute force through a mech army in early or mid-game, but now that roaches are food 2, the absolute power of mech to counter large numbers of Zerg units with just a few of its own is showing through.
And it's not like mech is unbearably immobile in SC 2. Tanks are immobile, but thorships, hellions, vikings, and banshees are not. Overlord drops and nydus worms are still an option for Zerg, but it's easier to respond to them as mech in SC 2 than it was in SC 1.
On May 25 2010 00:10 Azarkon wrote: Having said that, I've still yet to see a Zerg player going the mass baneling (maybe with mass overlord drop) strategy that Day9 recommended in his daily. Combined with burrowed roaches and mutalisks, it might be possible to beat mech mid-game...
Maka vs Zenio Game 2 on Metalopolis. Zenio had a gold expo advantage but Maka still won convincingly. No hellions. Maka's army took the baneling damage and marched on. The problem in that game was the Thors. I don't understand how that few thors can shut down an army of mutalisks.
All this talk, yet I can imagine Blizzard looking at the 7 zergs in ASM's top 8 player list, and think "Z must be OP". Same goes for World Cup Tour with 4Z, 2P and 2T in top 8. The truth was pointed out by Artosis in his "Zerg overnerfed" article though.
On May 25 2010 00:10 Azarkon wrote: Having said that, I've still yet to see a Zerg player going the mass baneling (maybe with mass overlord drop) strategy that Day9 recommended in his daily. Combined with burrowed roaches and mutalisks, it might be possible to beat mech mid-game...
Maka vs Zenio Game 2 on Metalopolis. Zenio had a gold expo advantage but Maka still won convincingly. No hellions. Maka's army took the baneling damage and marched on. The problem in that game was the Thors. I don't understand how that few thors can shut down an army of mutalisks.
Quite simple, really: splash. Your mutas need to clump in order to attack Thors, which makes them easy pickings for the missile batteries.
Thors are not goliaths, and never were. They're more like walking valkyries that can also do siege-tank level single-target damage against ground.
Set 1: Demuslim < Lost Temple > Sen Set 2: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 3: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 4: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 5: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 6: Demuslim < TBD > Sen Set 7: Demuslim < TBD > Sen
^ Thanks a lot for always updating the games like this, those awesome banners alone get you hyped up for the matches :p You might as well use the time and date script on this site though, check this out:
On May 25 2010 07:07 7mk wrote: ^ Thanks a lot for always updating the games like this, those awesome banners alone get you hyped up for the matches :p You might as well use the time and date script on this site though, check this out:
just proves how "strong" terran is.. if TLO can beat Freedom 4-0 =/
Honestly, I think TLO woulda even beat Sen afew games, but wasnt that the match that was restarted like 5 times on kulas revine? I remember least someone TLO played on kulas, and he shoulda won like 3 of the games before the freezes happened.
hope we see a good patch when beta comes back online that fixes this game.
On May 25 2010 20:10 Skyze wrote: just proves how "strong" terran is.. if TLO can beat Freedom 4-0 =/
Honestly, I think TLO woulda even beat Sen afew games, but wasnt that the match that was restarted like 5 times on kulas revine? I remember least someone TLO played on kulas, and he shoulda won like 3 of the games before the freezes happened.
hope we see a good patch when beta comes back online that fixes this game.
and concidering how close PJ vs Ohgodtoomanykoreanzergscantremembername was even despite PJ going bio instead of mech, paints a very sad picture.
I think the problem is that zergs seem to be just not abusing mech and just playing the defend -->1a when he attacks style that works against bio. Watching sen is very refreshing because he actually seems to know what he's doing.
And if bio games are close but zergs are winning then that means bio is still viable, which is should be.
1st game demu went for thordrop but sen stayed on 1base and went for fast muta, then expanded, demu then dropped 4 thors into sen's main but got destroyed by mass muta/ling and GGed
sen expands and holds off initial thor drop very well, goes muta/ling. demuslim increases to 4x thor drop, but is wary of sen's mutas and waits a long time before he actually drops. by then it is a bit too late as sen has a ton of mutas, demuslim ggs
On May 25 2010 21:02 cyclone25 wrote: I have a bad feeling that Demuslim will get rolled by Sen. I haven't seen yet Demuslim to use tanks as well as the other terrans do vs Zerg.
Nah, his strat worked the first time. But that game froze because of patch 13. Obviously Sen prepared well this time round. I bet that build was specifically for Demuslim. I'm amazed by how many builds Sen has in his repertoire.
Demuslim is doing well, but the little mistakes and build order differences are hurting him a lot. First game, going mass thors vs. mass mutas Demuslim probably thought it was an easy victory, but it wasn't. Second game, he forgot to build a depot at his rocks and was way out of position.
On May 25 2010 21:19 Azarkon wrote: Demuslim is doing well, but the little mistakes and build order differences are hurting him a lot. First game, going mass thors vs. mass mutas Demuslim probably thought it was an easy victory, but it wasn't. Second game, he forgot to build a depot at his rocks and was way out of position.
Knowing how smart Sen is, even if that depot was built, it would be sniped by Sen's mutas first. DeMuslim had to keep his depot near his turret as he lost so many of them in the first game.
Demuslim lost all his marines to zerglings early on, there was no way he could've held the mutas once that happened. Desert Oasis is a very good map for Zerg, but Terran generally does a lot better than Protoss.
I think Demuslim went MMM simply because it's his specialty. He stuck to what he knew instead of doing mech, which he lost with the three games he tried it. It's an understandable decision.
I don't think it's that bad for Terran, actually. Good Zergs have lost pretty badly to Terran on it. But you need to keep your marines alive, or go mech.
This game was a postponed match - i woke up this morning due to being sick (i usually wake up at around 1PM since i fall asleep around 5AM in the morning) fortunately i woke up earlier than usual to find out i had a match, i wasn't told before hand when it was.
Sorry about the poor games, had 10 minutes to prepare - bad by me. Asked for a PP, but it was play or freewin.
On May 25 2010 22:32 Azarkon wrote: Demuslim lost all his marines to zerglings early on, there was no way he could've held the mutas once that happened. Desert Oasis is a very good map for Zerg, but Terran generally does a lot better than Protoss.
I think Demuslim went MMM simply because it's his specialty. He stuck to what he knew instead of doing mech, which he lost with the three games he tried it. It's an understandable decision.
That's wasn't a standard MMM build, that drop was suicide from the very beginning, even if it wasn't scouted by the tower ling (which, btw, what was the factory scout for then?) I think he just gave up on a coherent strategy early on.
On May 25 2010 22:33 Hens wrote: i was just trying to point out subtle that i think Desert Oasis as a map is not so well designed, to phrase it politely
Agreed. A lot of the Blizzard maps suck in that department.
On May 25 2010 22:36 DeMusliM wrote: gz to sen good player - nice guy.
This game was a postponed match - i woke up this morning due to being sick (i usually wake up at around 1PM since i fall asleep around 5AM in the morning) fortunately i woke up earlier than usual to find out i had a match, i wasn't told before hand when it was.
Sorry about the poor games, had 10 minutes to prepare - bad by me. Asked for a PP, but it was play or freewin.
Sen is a monster, 3-2 is still damn impressive, especially that micro 2nd to last game.
On May 25 2010 22:36 DeMusliM wrote: gz to sen good player - nice guy.
This game was a postponed match - i woke up this morning due to being sick (i usually wake up at around 1PM since i fall asleep around 5AM in the morning) fortunately i woke up earlier than usual to find out i had a match, i wasn't told before hand when it was.
Sorry about the poor games, had 10 minutes to prepare - bad by me. Asked for a PP, but it was play or freewin.
It's ok, you don't have to post excuses on forums for all your losses
ah and about mech play - i haven't really played it so much, but i do prefer bio alot more. I feel that playing mech is kinda the easy way out? Like, in a fight if i'm mech, there's not much i can do to help the outcome benefit me, where as with bio i feel i can do alot of little things to make the battle sway in my favour.
I'd like to see siege tanks get nerfed actually, i don't like how good they are right now.
On May 25 2010 22:50 DeMusliM wrote: ah and about mech play - i haven't really played it so much, but i do prefer bio alot more. I feel that playing mech is kinda the easy way out? Like, in a fight if i'm mech, there's not much i can do to help the outcome benefit me, where as with bio i feel i can do alot of little things to make the battle sway in my favour.
I'd like to see siege tanks get nerfed actually, i don't like how good they are right now.
well i think the mech is pretty demanding as well, sieging tanks, target fire, position your hellions, casting PDD is you have raven etc.. but yeah, mech is stronger and "easier" than bio (no need to worry about blings, infestors THAT much)
edit: also don't forget the maps, f.e. on SOW the mech is really "easy" all you need to do is get accros the middle which is like a few yards and you are at your enemy's face. on bigger maps, Z has more options to flank/expand and mech will be more difficult to execute.
On May 26 2010 01:25 Three wrote: I wouldve really liked to see Sen vs Demuslim at full strength, too bad =/
Just so you know, Demuslim is always coming up with excuses for his loses. Sometimes he forgets to eat, and at other times the neighbours' baby is crying too loud. Just see his post history and you'll see what I mean. I'd take his reasons for bad play with a grain of salt.
(Not that he isn't a good player. But that's just annoying.)
On May 26 2010 02:18 Three wrote: Well its weird to come up with excuses before you lose; he posted that he didn't know about the game time before the games started
On May 26 2010 02:18 Three wrote: Well its weird to come up with excuses before you lose; he posted that he didn't know about the game time before the games started
On May 26 2010 02:18 Three wrote: Well its weird to come up with excuses before you lose; he posted that he didn't know about the game time before the games started
Doesn't mean it's the reason why you lost.
ok I guess he just dropped to mid-level platinum player quality the last game because hes lost all his skills? w/e
"Is there an alternate way to view the vods for this tourney? The chinese site is too slow for me when there is a 50 min episode it takes several hours for me to load it. And my browser is very unstable while watching flash video, crashing every other hours and I have to start from scratch again."
Because there is this cool new feature, if you put your own timezone in your profile it will show which time will be at your place when the match is being played
Dear TLO, I think vs sen, a change of strategy is in order. Don't win the first games until you only need one more win and then get steamrolled like vs whitra and nony. This time, just lose the first 3 games and then steamroll sen. :D
On May 28 2010 01:57 iNviSible.yunO wrote: Dear TLO, I think vs sen, a change of strategy is in order. Don't win the first games until you only need one more win and then get steamrolled like vs whitra and nony. This time, just lose the first 3 games and then steamroll sen. :D
+ L.E. rocks. God i love this city!
>_> Hopefully, as TLO becomes more experienced with tournament events these meltdowns won't happen any more.
Set 1: TheLittleOne < Incineration Zone > Sen Set 2: TheLittleOne < TBD > Sen Set 3: TheLittleOne < TBD > Sen Set 4: TheLittleOne < TBD > Sen Set 5: TheLittleOne < TBD > Sen Set 6: TheLittleOne < TBD > Sen Set 7: TheLittleOne < TBD > Sen
On May 28 2010 01:57 iNviSible.yunO wrote: Dear TLO, I think vs sen, a change of strategy is in order. Don't win the first games until you only need one more win and then get steamrolled like vs whitra and nony. This time, just lose the first 3 games and then steamroll sen. :D
+ L.E. rocks. God i love this city!
>_> Hopefully, as TLO becomes more experienced with tournament events these meltdowns won't happen any more.
Yeah not like tlo hasn't made it deep in just about every sc2 tournament yet. =/
Is the http://2.plu.cn/ the only stream? Or will it be streamed/restreamed in English somewhere? Links pls. Also can someone confirm the CET start-time? Would it be 13:30 CET?
On May 30 2010 21:27 zerotol wrote: Is it me or are these commentators incredibly biased? Every time things go well for Sen you can hear the excitement in their voices.
yeah it was the same when white-ra played, they were rooting for him there too
On May 30 2010 21:27 zerotol wrote: Is it me or are these commentators incredibly biased? Every time things go well for Sen you can hear the excitement in their voices.
did you ever watched any broadcasted sports at all?
On May 30 2010 21:27 zerotol wrote: Is it me or are these commentators incredibly biased? Every time things go well for Sen you can hear the excitement in their voices.
On May 30 2010 21:21 Lylat wrote: Dude.. how strong is Sen ? Best Z player ?
Best player.
@scrap station , I really admire Sen's will to resist that insane harrasment, most zerg players gg that harrasment or eventually do it. but sen is sth else man....
some players can show you insane matches like Tester yesterday but only SEN has constant insane games...
this guy definitely deserves world no1 title atm.
his every single game is phenomenal
and he beat every name who are called as best players, TLO, WhiteRa etc.
first game wasnt cheese, but the correct response to Zerg laying done expo before pool, so was the proxy rax in the second game i think, he predicted Sen going for expo first again cause of map choice and just responded accordingly, then the 2 starport tech just makes sense when you delay zerg tech that hard. Guess it depends on how you define cheese though
seems to me that if he wanted to use reaper harass to cover a bunker push, he would have been better off doing so @ Sen's natural as the reapers have an easy retreat/can provide cover on that cliff.
Sen decides to fast expand at the 12 o’clock expansion, before his pool. TLO scouts it, uses his Orbital Command right away to get an extra supply and builds a well placed bunker by Sen’s expansion. Sen saves his expansion with a last second health transfer and launches an attack with his queen and Zerglings on TLO’s bunker. TLO sees the low hp on the expansion and takes it out right before losing his bunker and marines. In the meantime, TLO builds Hellions and techs to air. Sen GGs right away (not sure if any Banshee was out or not).
Again, Sen decides to fast expand at his natural before his pool. TLO already planned for this and built a Barrack by Sen’s 3rd expansion before his first supply depot. Upon completion, lifts it and sends his Scv to build a bunker. Sen cancels his expansion just before it’s about to finish. In the meantime, TLO techs to air with double Starport to Banshee harass. Sen, robust player he is, already has 4 Queens, 2 at each base. But TLO gets cloak and is able to do quite a nice harass. Kills Sen’s main hatchery (his lair is at his natural) and takes out quite a number of Queens. Even though TLO does none stop harassment, Sen is always in the lead in the drone count. TLO does a push with a few Thors, but Sen made a few Infestors and neural parasites 3 Thors. TLO’s army gets completely crushed and Sen pushes back. TLO says GG.
I missed almost all the match and only saw the last 30 seconds, but it seems TLO went a semi Marines all-in against Sen’s fast expansion with a lot of SCVs for the attack. Sen made a lot of Zerglings and was able to finally pushing it back and was able to enter TLO’s base before he was able to block the ramp. Forced TLO to GG.
Sen starts at the 9 o’clock base and TLO at the 12 o’clock base. Sen goes for his standard pool into hatch. Meanwhile, TLO goes for early Reapers, hoping to deny Sen’s FE, but Sen pulls out sick micro and denies the Reaper entering the bunker and destroys the bunker. TLO comes back with more reapers, killing a few Zerglings, but no harm done. Here, Sen’s macro skyrockets, bringing the worker difference by more than 10. TLO tries to push with a mixed army of Hellions, Marauders and Reapers but Sen’s fast Zerglings do a nice surround of the army and it goes down in seconds. TLO says GG.
Sen starts bottom left, TLO top right. Sen seems to go for his standard opening, pool into hatch. Nice gas stealing by Sen, cancelling 3 times before it finally dies. TLO pushes out with 4 Marines, 1 Scv and 1 Hellion and puts pressure of Sen early on with amazing Hellion micro. He kills so many Zerglings on his first attack with well placed Hellion attacks. He then transits into Viking and abuses the high ground by Sen’s natural. He also uses his Vikings to kill so many overlords. Sen was brought back into red supplies twice by Viking harassment. Seeing how TLO has so many Viking, Sen goes for Hydras and is finally able to stop the constant harassment by TLO. Both players expand at their respective gold expansion relatively at the same time (I believe Sen was a quicker). Sen scouts TLO’s gold and I believe he saw an Orbital Command, but then TLO switches Command Center and puts down a Planetary Fortress. Sen going for the Hydra/Roach/Infestor combo and seeing how he can’t break the gold expand decides to drop in TLO’s base. Both players keeping expanding and Sen denies the bottom right expand of TLO. TLO saves the Command Center and brings it back to his natural, to which he finally expanded. TLO gets two CCs there and makes two Planetary Fortresses. TLO also goes BCs in the meantime. Sen sends endless waves of Zerg to TLO’s natural but those 2 Planetary Fortresses decimate his armies. One goes down, but it doesn’t seem enough. TLO finally gets his sweet spot of BCs and has a massive army of Tanks to back them up against Hydras. All of Sen’s expansions get denied and he has to GG.
Sen seems to do his standard opening (pool into hatch) and does the usual gas stealing. TLO hides his Factory at the 9 o’clock gold expansion. His Hellion harass decimates Sen’s drone line, killing more than 10 drones, bringing a huge gap in the worker difference. But this is Sen he’s against. TLO goes with an all mech army and due to his initial harass has a lot more upgrades (quickly up to 3-2 upgrades early in the match). TLO also uses cloaked Ghosts to EMP Sen’s Infestors, which, in his final push, manages to get 2 out of the 3 Infestors and Sen is forced to GG.
Same build by Sen. TLO tries to push with 4 Marines and 1 Hellion, but Sen is well prepared. He tries to transition into Banshee play with 2 Starports, but Sen is again well prepared (see game 2 of this serie!). Clearly in the lead, Sen pushes and destroys TLO’s backdoor and TLO says GG even before the battle encounter.
Sen wins the series 4-3.
I must say, this series was awesome. If VODs ever come up, I honestly recommend watching the ones I mentioned, if not all. Non-stop action every single match of the series, man was this good.
On May 30 2010 21:21 Lylat wrote: Dude.. how strong is Sen ? Best Z player ?
Definitely top 3 Zerg in the world atm only reason why he's not #1 is because of ZvZ being his weakest matchup
I'd agree with you Ash. Btw, how's the rest of Duskbin doing? I haven't been following you guys for a while. Are most of you still playing BW?
Yep the chinese players are trying to focus in BW now since there will be SCBW in WCG China. F91 is the only one playing both simultaneously. Hopefully we will be able to announce our SC2 squad soon.
On May 30 2010 21:27 zerotol wrote: Is it me or are these commentators incredibly biased? Every time things go well for Sen you can hear the excitement in their voices.
I can understand conversational Chinese.
There might be a slight favoritism for Sen, but it's nothing major. There were many times they were rooting for TLO, usually when TLO tried something crazy. Overall they were just really excited; can't blame them because the games were awesome.
Well, i like Sen since SC1, he's my favorite non-korean zerg player, really like his style. Congratulations for your win, and i hope i can see more of you in the future
On May 31 2010 15:03 Kyouya wrote: Well, i like Sen since SC1, he's my favorite non-korean zerg player, really like his style. Congratulations for your win, and i hope i can see more of you in the future
anyone else having problems with the replays downloaded from sc2.plu? I had no trouble watching the TLO vs Freedom series, but I keep getting the crash while trying to load Demus vs MacSed and TLO vs Panda series.
On June 04 2010 08:54 nemahsys wrote: I would get the replays instead of watching HD's cast. Its painful.
HD is a baller for spreading Starcraft 2 to the youtube masses, but his analysis makes me squirm :x
ya I agree. I definitely appreciate the work he has put in doing vods and putting together a solid tourney with a great sponsor. I just cant stand his actual commentary.
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