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shalafiend
Profile Joined April 2010
United States62 Posts
May 22 2010 09:10 GMT
#1361
they're just working a job and trying to get viewers, so what if they're biased, everyones biased.
sports gets flamed all the time, if starcraft really is an esport, it should be no different. They're catering to the majority of their viewership, just like the majority of us human beings change our appearance/speech in response to different situations/people in order to maintain good social standing. Sure they could be a bit more professional, but isn't colored commentary more interesting? would you really enjoy a basketball game/football game if it was just bland repetition of play by play, and none of the commentator's own views?

esports in asia has evolved to the point that almost everyone who watches starcraft knows the theory, build orders, and strategies- so viewers aren't interested in understanding the game or learning build orders or how to perfectly micro their units. they want the cool stuff, the little trips and gimmicks, not play by play mechanics.
KBEN.csa
Profile Joined April 2010
22 Posts
May 22 2010 09:12 GMT
#1362
On May 22 2010 18:02 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 17:58 Kira.Yami wrote:
My friend told me that these commentator are extremely bias, saying alot of stuff and always bringing up chinese player and devalue non-chinese players. Apparantly they said that Brat_OK was terrible and it's a joke. They sigh and grunt while chinese players are at a tough spot and cheers vice versa. Then apparantly 30 minutes ago they were talking about "fairness" and saying how they try their best to be fair as commentators.

If that's the case (others please contribute), my friend's not pro at chinese himself. But if that's the case, should really switch these two guys.


Does that really matter?
Only Chinese can here them, and they should be biased.
Like local reporters cheer for their own team.

NO, they are not biased in favour of Chinese, but the Korean. They rarely talk about who is strong and who is weak in kor vs kor games.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 22 2010 09:13 GMT
#1363
On May 22 2010 18:06 hydraden wrote:
Switch to flash vs Effort now.

watching both... wow did he just fungal the DT? nice
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 09:23:43
May 22 2010 09:16 GMT
#1364
Oh so these are live games still not repeats?

Is this right so far?
+ Show Spoiler +
1. oGs.과일장수 vs Star.NewLife on Kulas Ravine
2. oGs.sSKS vs mouz.HayprO on Lost Temple - not played yet
3. oGs.과일장수 vs oGs.sSKS on Metalopolis
4. mouz.HayprO vs Star.NewLife on Steppes of War - not played yet
5. oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station - not played yet
6. oGs.sSKS vs Star.NewLife on Incineration Zone - not played yet
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 22 2010 09:18 GMT
#1365
Cool had that hidden Expansion running so long, i thought he would be leading... in the end he got destroyed!
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
May 22 2010 09:19 GMT
#1366
The fungals on the DTs were very nice. Too much emphasis on the roach cost him the game though.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
KBEN.csa
Profile Joined April 2010
22 Posts
May 22 2010 09:19 GMT
#1367
GO Hierarch vs Martian now (Flash vs Effort)
KBEN.csa
Profile Joined April 2010
22 Posts
May 22 2010 09:21 GMT
#1368
go back to tw server, the micro of tester is so good that cool has not chance at all.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 09:28:25
May 22 2010 09:22 GMT
#1369
I don't think they should allow for players of the same clan to play in the same group for group stages
I'm not saying anything but that was a conspicuously bad strategy played by zerg
Quick tech to fast infestors w/ really really late expansion in ZvP? looks like he was preparing for thor drops pre patch 12

I'm really scratching my head after that one, awfully awfully strange strategy/play by zerg

+ Show Spoiler +
oGs.과일장수 was 2-0 when he played his clan mate
im sorry im just not convinced he put any effort into his play, it was the worst game ive ever seen in my entire life, it looks like it was straight out of bronze league
skypacer
Profile Joined July 2003
China174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 09:25:50
May 22 2010 09:24 GMT
#1370
Fruittrader is just not very care about his game vs ssks, quickly finsh it then hurry to a Korean tourney...
by.Fantasy
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
May 22 2010 09:25 GMT
#1371
On May 22 2010 18:16 Bane_ wrote:
Oh so these are live games still not repeats?

Is this right so far?
+ Show Spoiler +
1. oGs.과일장수 vs Star.NewLife on Kulas Ravine
2. oGs.sSKS vs mouz.HayprO on Lost Temple - not played yet
3. oGs.과일장수 vs oGs.sSKS on Metalopolis
4. mouz.HayprO vs Star.NewLife on Steppes of War - not played yet
5. oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station - not played yet
6. oGs.sSKS vs Star.NewLife on Incineration Zone - not played yet



You missed this one.
+ Show Spoiler +

oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station
Turbotitan
Profile Joined May 2010
China138 Posts
May 22 2010 09:25 GMT
#1372
On May 22 2010 18:12 KBEN.csa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:02 hydraden wrote:
On May 22 2010 17:58 Kira.Yami wrote:
My friend told me that these commentator are extremely bias, saying alot of stuff and always bringing up chinese player and devalue non-chinese players. Apparantly they said that Brat_OK was terrible and it's a joke. They sigh and grunt while chinese players are at a tough spot and cheers vice versa. Then apparantly 30 minutes ago they were talking about "fairness" and saying how they try their best to be fair as commentators.

If that's the case (others please contribute), my friend's not pro at chinese himself. But if that's the case, should really switch these two guys.


Does that really matter?
Only Chinese can here them, and they should be biased.
Like local reporters cheer for their own team.

NO, they are not biased in favour of Chinese, but the Korean. They rarely talk about who is strong and who is weak in kor vs kor games.


In my eye, they are telling the truth that Korea is dominating SC2 now in beta even I'm a Chinese.
So I'm feeling that you are biased.
Prodtoss
Profile Joined May 2010
China849 Posts
May 22 2010 09:28 GMT
#1373
sSks's US account that given by commentator is used by playxp's OB 0_o
rlagksquf
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand153 Posts
May 22 2010 09:28 GMT
#1374
yea..Fruittrader has another tourney to do which starts in 30 mins..lol
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 09:29:32
May 22 2010 09:28 GMT
#1375
On May 22 2010 18:25 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:16 Bane_ wrote:
Oh so these are live games still not repeats?

Is this right so far?
+ Show Spoiler +
1. oGs.과일장수 vs Star.NewLife on Kulas Ravine
2. oGs.sSKS vs mouz.HayprO on Lost Temple - not played yet
3. oGs.과일장수 vs oGs.sSKS on Metalopolis
4. mouz.HayprO vs Star.NewLife on Steppes of War - not played yet
5. oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station - not played yet
6. oGs.sSKS vs Star.NewLife on Incineration Zone - not played yet



You missed this one.
+ Show Spoiler +

oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station


Thanks, I wonder why they got all of fruit traders games out of the way first...ah I see another tourney.
skypacer
Profile Joined July 2003
China174 Posts
May 22 2010 09:29 GMT
#1376
On May 22 2010 18:25 Turbotitan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:12 KBEN.csa wrote:
On May 22 2010 18:02 hydraden wrote:
On May 22 2010 17:58 Kira.Yami wrote:
My friend told me that these commentator are extremely bias, saying alot of stuff and always bringing up chinese player and devalue non-chinese players. Apparantly they said that Brat_OK was terrible and it's a joke. They sigh and grunt while chinese players are at a tough spot and cheers vice versa. Then apparantly 30 minutes ago they were talking about "fairness" and saying how they try their best to be fair as commentators.

If that's the case (others please contribute), my friend's not pro at chinese himself. But if that's the case, should really switch these two guys.


Does that really matter?
Only Chinese can here them, and they should be biased.
Like local reporters cheer for their own team.

NO, they are not biased in favour of Chinese, but the Korean. They rarely talk about who is strong and who is weak in kor vs kor games.


In my eye, they are telling the truth that Korea is dominating SC2 now in beta even I'm a Chinese.
So I'm feeling that you are biased.

Agree. the commentator are not bias, they just tell something for fun sometimes, but without any malice towards anyone.
by.Fantasy
janz
Profile Joined May 2010
8 Posts
May 22 2010 09:29 GMT
#1377
On May 22 2010 18:07 KBEN.csa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 17:59 Turbotitan wrote:
On May 22 2010 17:54 KBEN.csa wrote:
Commentator saids Haypro is so weak that Chinese players can defeat him very easily.


Can you stop bitching arond? What they said is Hapro's micro is not as good as asia players, not only Korean players, but also Chinese players.

I am not bitching. It is very clear that the one of the commentator is continuously laughing the eur players and praise highly the kor players. He saided HayPro has no "details" about the game and even Chinese players are way better than him. He also saided sSKS performed so badly since he has no advantage over HayPro.


sigh, I registered on this site just for you.

First, details, those commentators were talking about his micro, they said HayPro's micro just not good.How is this biased? they are commentators, they actually make comments, wow, big deal.

Second, about Brat_OK, he didn't score any points in this event, so commentators jab him a bit, how is this biased? This is a long running joke for those commentators, since the qualifiers, anyone who didn't win a single game will join their bald head party, bald as in nothing. Commentators mentioned this to stress the competitiveness of this tourney.

Clearly your friend's Chinese isn't good enough to understand the jokes.
Prodtoss
Profile Joined May 2010
China849 Posts
May 22 2010 09:29 GMT
#1378
On May 22 2010 18:28 Bane_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:25 hydraden wrote:
On May 22 2010 18:16 Bane_ wrote:
Oh so these are live games still not repeats?

Is this right so far?
+ Show Spoiler +
1. oGs.과일장수 vs Star.NewLife on Kulas Ravine
2. oGs.sSKS vs mouz.HayprO on Lost Temple - not played yet
3. oGs.과일장수 vs oGs.sSKS on Metalopolis
4. mouz.HayprO vs Star.NewLife on Steppes of War - not played yet
5. oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station - not played yet
6. oGs.sSKS vs Star.NewLife on Incineration Zone - not played yet



You missed this one.
+ Show Spoiler +

oGs.과일장수 vs mouz.HayprO on Scrap Station


Thanks, I wonder why they got all of fruit traders games out of the way first.


fruit traders have another Korea tourney to go..
KBEN.csa
Profile Joined April 2010
22 Posts
May 22 2010 09:30 GMT
#1379
On May 22 2010 18:25 Turbotitan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:12 KBEN.csa wrote:
On May 22 2010 18:02 hydraden wrote:
On May 22 2010 17:58 Kira.Yami wrote:
My friend told me that these commentator are extremely bias, saying alot of stuff and always bringing up chinese player and devalue non-chinese players. Apparantly they said that Brat_OK was terrible and it's a joke. They sigh and grunt while chinese players are at a tough spot and cheers vice versa. Then apparantly 30 minutes ago they were talking about "fairness" and saying how they try their best to be fair as commentators.

If that's the case (others please contribute), my friend's not pro at chinese himself. But if that's the case, should really switch these two guys.


Does that really matter?
Only Chinese can here them, and they should be biased.
Like local reporters cheer for their own team.

NO, they are not biased in favour of Chinese, but the Korean. They rarely talk about who is strong and who is weak in kor vs kor games.


In my eye, they are telling the truth that Korea is dominating SC2 now in beta even I'm a Chinese.
So I'm feeling that you are biased.

If he doesn't jeer or laugh the non-kor player, I totally agree with him.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 09:36:02
May 22 2010 09:35 GMT
#1380
On May 22 2010 18:29 janz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:07 KBEN.csa wrote:
On May 22 2010 17:59 Turbotitan wrote:
On May 22 2010 17:54 KBEN.csa wrote:
Commentator saids Haypro is so weak that Chinese players can defeat him very easily.


Can you stop bitching arond? What they said is Hapro's micro is not as good as asia players, not only Korean players, but also Chinese players.

I am not bitching. It is very clear that the one of the commentator is continuously laughing the eur players and praise highly the kor players. He saided HayPro has no "details" about the game and even Chinese players are way better than him. He also saided sSKS performed so badly since he has no advantage over HayPro.


sigh, I registered on this site just for you.

First, details, those commentators were talking about his micro, they said HayPro's micro just not good.How is this biased? they are commentators, they actually make comments, wow, big deal.

Second, about Brat_OK, he didn't score any points in this event, so commentators jab him a bit, how is this biased? This is a long running joke for those commentators, since the qualifiers, anyone who didn't win a single game will join their bald head party, bald as in nothing. Commentators mentioned this to stress the competitiveness of this tourney.

Clearly your friend's Chinese isn't good enough to understand the jokes.


Empty didn't win any games either, do they jab him a bit?

..and did they mention that haypro is playing with 2-3 second delay from europe? I dont know how anybody is going to micro in that

Im surprised the commentators even know what micro is to be honest
they are by far the worst observers for a professionally run tournament I have ever seen
Multiple times I have seen expansions being built and finishing (on minimap) before they notice it

I've also seen armies streaming to one side of the map and counter attacking and it goes completely unnoticed until the last moment

So many times Im pulling out my hair begging for them to check somebody's base at a crucial time of the game

I almost never ever see the base for important information on what is going on, I'm watching the game completely clueless about whats going on
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