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[PiG Strategy Articles] TY's Double Raven 3CC in TvT

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[PiG Strategy Articles] TY's Double Raven 3CC in TvT

Text byTL Strategy
Graphics byNixer, shiroiusagi
March 29th, 2017 16:20 GMT
The PiG DailyTY's Double Raven 3CC in TvTNotesVODs



PiG Daily Articles




Welcome to the PiG Daily strategy article! The PiG Daily is a show by Jared "PiG" Krensel that focuses on StarCraft 2 strategy and becoming a better player. We've joined forces to create an article series that summarizes his dailies into short, digestible articles that provide insight on builds, tactics and game sense. By combining with Spawning Tool, this series will bring you the most comprehensive learning experience for build orders and strategies.

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We highly recommend using Spawning Tool in order to follow the basics of these builds. The PiG Daily and our strategy articles will serve as supplementary guides to understand the subtleties behind each decision.

The best players in the world often love to sit back and rely on the advantages of defensive play, growing their economy and upgrades whilst goading their opponents into unfavourable attacks. They know that if they execute their defence properly they will always win over aggression, and they demand that very perfection from themselves every game.

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TY's Double Raven 3CC in TvT






This is a super macro-focused build used a huge amount recently by the two best terrans in the world: TY and INnoVation. It’s especially powerful in our current map pool with maps like Proxima Station and Honorgrounds featuring protected natural expansions. The build usually shuns scouting or aggression in favour of generic play that can block the majority of things the opponent can throw at you, whilst powering economy, production and tech at a staggering rate. Of course you are defending with an elite group of high-tech units and so your micro and positioning needs to be on point. There are a few different adjustments and variations based on map and preference which I’ll discuss below. I wouldn’t recommend this opening to low or even mid-tier players unless they really love their defensive macro play.

Double Raven 3CC in TvT
15Gas
16Barracks
20CC
20Factory
21Reactor on barracks
222nd gas
@100% factory -> cyclone
@100 gas -> starport
@100% cyclone -> tech lab on factory
@100% tech lab ->
If you sense an attack, 1 tank + 1 viking; otherwise swap tech lab to starport
2x ravens
Tech lab on factory
3rd CC when money allows
Tank production starts
3rd and 4th gas
@2 ravens -> swap starport and barracks
Start stim + viking production
~6:10 Either 2x ebay or 4x barracks, depending on resources
@60% 1/1 -> start armoury



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Notes



Against more aggressive openings:

You should only build cyclones if your opponent opts for a very aggressive opening. In the VODs section, aLive tries to break the natural with reapers and cyclones, and TY pushes it back with cyclones of his own. Even the most dedicated attacks can be stopped with a few cyclones and good zoning.

If your opponent attacks with mostly infantry, then you can imitate TY and go for hellions instead. Use the hellion to scout, but make sure not to lose it. When TY skips the cyclone, he also adds the tank before the factory/starport swap for the added security. The starport will sit idle for a little but, but it's a small price to pay for a good defense.

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For Proxima and maps with in-base natural:

The in-base natural is easy to defend, making it unnecessary to spend resources on hellions or cyclones. Your marines and reapers should be enough to defend the ramp unless your opponent decides to all-in early. Only deviate from your plan if you scout a big attack coming, because a 'normal' poke should be easy to defend with the units you already have.


VODs



The two games that best illustrate this build are the last two games from TY's series at IEM Katowice against aLive. Down 1-2 and with his tournament on the line, TY reverted to safe, solid play in order to claw his way into the finals. On Honorgrounds, TY showed a no tank variation. In the clincher on Abyssal Reef, TY's switched things up with a cyclone for safety, which paid dividends when he managed to ward off a big raven/tank/marine push.






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THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada137 Posts
March 29 2017 16:33 GMT
#2
This build was pioneered by avilo, pls don't let someone else take credit
Please don't fricken hack, its just a game.
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
March 29 2017 17:49 GMT
#3
raven should be 4 supply, anyway game is broken in many ways right now, this build is like 5 month old btw...
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
March 29 2017 18:35 GMT
#4
On March 30 2017 02:49 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
raven should be 4 supply, anyway game is broken in many ways right now, this build is like 5 month old btw...


It's still relevant...but i'm sure you'd prefer no guides at all...

Nice article, as always
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BisuDagger
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Bisutopia19385 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-29 20:01:06
March 29 2017 19:49 GMT
#5
On March 30 2017 03:35 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 02:49 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
raven should be 4 supply, anyway game is broken in many ways right now, this build is like 5 month old btw...


It's still relevant...but i'm sure you'd prefer no guides at all...

Nice article, as always

Agreed, people miss the point if they only want week old builds. A 5 month old build has results, replays, and applicable relevancy. If anything, this is just a great way to expand you playbook even if you only take adaptations of the build presented.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
March 29 2017 22:08 GMT
#6
This build is the build i came up with over 1-2 yrs ago. A few top koreans adopted it in recent months, but i was the innovator of the build. The entire point of the build is you are able to get a 3rd cc+turret ring because 2-3 ravens let's you afford the 3rd cc while playing defensively since you have more auto turrets than normal by the time the opponent's push hits you.

My build.
Sup
Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
227 Posts
March 29 2017 23:20 GMT
#7
On March 30 2017 07:08 avilo wrote:
This build is the build i came up with over 1-2 yrs ago. A few top koreans adopted it in recent months, but i was the innovator of the build. The entire point of the build is you are able to get a 3rd cc+turret ring because 2-3 ravens let's you afford the 3rd cc while playing defensively since you have more auto turrets than normal by the time the opponent's push hits you.

My build.


Do you have link to vods of your games with this build in a tournament setting? Or to your guide on this build?

You deserve credit dude. I'm sure pig would be happy to post your links in the OP.
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
March 29 2017 23:54 GMT
#8
I'm sure you were making cyclones in heart of the swarm too, avilo, truly a precursor
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PiGStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1004 Posts
March 30 2017 06:19 GMT
#9
On March 30 2017 02:49 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
raven should be 4 supply, anyway game is broken in many ways right now, this build is like 5 month old btw...


And is still being used constantly by the best Terran players. What's your point?

Old builds that are still around are the most useful. They've stood the test of time, we understand them even better since we've seen them clash with multiple phases of the meta. Old builds that still work consistently are the things we should talk about the most.
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SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
March 30 2017 08:26 GMT
#10
On March 30 2017 15:19 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 02:49 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
raven should be 4 supply, anyway game is broken in many ways right now, this build is like 5 month old btw...


And is still being used constantly by the best Terran players. What's your point?

Old builds that are still around are the most useful. They've stood the test of time, we understand them even better since we've seen them clash with multiple phases of the meta. Old builds that still work consistently are the things we should talk about the most.


I know this build is the best in tvt and it's quite old so average players already know everything about it, that's why I think you're late with this, and for noobs it's too complicated and bad trying to l2p from such builds, it's not some ravager allin etc.
IMSupervisor
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia138 Posts
March 30 2017 10:35 GMT
#11
On March 30 2017 17:26 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2017 15:19 PiGStarcraft wrote:
On March 30 2017 02:49 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
raven should be 4 supply, anyway game is broken in many ways right now, this build is like 5 month old btw...


And is still being used constantly by the best Terran players. What's your point?

Old builds that are still around are the most useful. They've stood the test of time, we understand them even better since we've seen them clash with multiple phases of the meta. Old builds that still work consistently are the things we should talk about the most.


I know this build is the best in tvt and it's quite old so average players already know everything about it, that's why I think you're late with this, and for noobs it's too complicated and bad trying to l2p from such builds, it's not some ravager allin etc.


You aren't speaking for me mate, I know fuck all about terran openers and I consider myself an average player.

Love your work PiG, thanks!
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