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Bomber vs. Scarlett: Breaking Down the Madness - Page 2

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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
January 05 2014 16:39 GMT
#21
I really loveeeeeee gold base on this map.
Actually I really miss gold base in general, I know that the whole design is taken out because it was just too imbalanced on some maps for some matchups.
but if the game goes onto the longer stages, there are so much action centered around the gold base that just really make things even more intense.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DaftFunk
Profile Joined June 2013
194 Posts
January 05 2014 16:41 GMT
#22
And the beginning of the game could've been analyzed a lot more. Any masters players can point out 15 different outcomes from how the proxy rax got spotted to scarletts decison to cancwl bane nest. It was gone over a bit quickly
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
January 05 2014 17:43 GMT
#23
This game made me mad as a few burrowed banelings aka luck determined the win for Scarlett, needless to say it was a pretty good game
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
January 05 2014 18:00 GMT
#24
Enjoyed re-living the game through this analysis

Thanks!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 05 2014 20:44 GMT
#25
On January 06 2014 02:43 Dontkillme wrote:
This game made me mad as a few burrowed banelings aka luck determined the win for Scarlett, needless to say it was a pretty good game


Not at all in this scenario. Scarlett made the smart decision to get burrow at a point in the game where Bomber's economy was hanging by a thread aka mules. Thus reducing any ability to scan. Throw in Scarlett's godly creep spread for sight and the fact that Bomber had to relocate his base after he mined out the gold and he was just a fly in Scarlett's web at that point.
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Mrsrs
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden7 Posts
January 05 2014 21:28 GMT
#26
I was really disappointed with Bomber's performance at Red Bull Battlegrounds. I really believed that Bomber could win, but when he lost a game to Scarlett, it all fell down
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
January 05 2014 22:15 GMT
#27
I LOLed... Aren't you guys overrating this match quite a bit?
I guess baneling busts are all what it takes to please you :D
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 05 2014 22:16 GMT
#28
On January 06 2014 07:15 pms wrote:
I LOLed... Aren't you guys overrating this match quite a bit?
I guess baneling busts are all what it takes to please you :D

Are you sure you're thinking of the same game?
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
January 06 2014 01:00 GMT
#29
On January 06 2014 07:15 pms wrote:
I LOLed... Aren't you guys overrating this match quite a bit?
I guess baneling busts are all what it takes to please you :D


Do you know what a baneling bust is?
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-06 08:29:48
January 06 2014 08:26 GMT
#30
Is this that game that Scarlett won due to some lucky burrowed banelings? Winning by pure randomness shouldn't be the standard by which we judge foreigners.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 06 2014 09:03 GMT
#31
On January 06 2014 17:26 maartendq wrote:
Is this that game that Scarlett won due to some lucky burrowed banelings? Winning by pure randomness shouldn't be the standard by which we judge foreigners.

At the time they probably seemed like luck, but watch the vod and you'll see that she pulled bombers army into the banelings. It was an excellent strategic move on her part, and so very very clutch.
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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
January 06 2014 09:20 GMT
#32
Nice write-up! Caught one mistake: you want 'overstated', not 'understated' in the last bit.
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-06 09:41:10
January 06 2014 09:40 GMT
#33
On January 06 2014 17:26 maartendq wrote:
Is this that game that Scarlett won due to some lucky burrowed banelings? Winning by pure randomness shouldn't be the standard by which we judge foreigners.


About ~10 seconds before, Bomber scanned the direct spot that Scarlett burrowed her first banelings, she instead pretended to run away with her entire army because bomber didn't know she had burrow. Once the scan wore out she moved her two banelings back towards the watchtower and proceeded to "play dumb" (aka bait) with her mutas to get the marines to go ontop of the banelings. Since Bomber just scanned recently he probably assumed everything was 100% safe.

Hardly luck...
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pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-06 10:25:35
January 06 2014 10:05 GMT
#34
On January 06 2014 10:00 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:15 pms wrote:
I LOLed... Aren't you guys overrating this match quite a bit?
I guess baneling busts are all what it takes to please you :D


Do you know what a baneling bust is?


My bad, I meant baneling traps, naturally.

I watched this game live. I think that people get crazy about it just because of the baneling traps. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal, it's just flashy. IMHO the game is overhyped on TL.net.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
January 06 2014 10:35 GMT
#35
iono man... if this is one of the better example of starcraft 2 games, it doesn't come close to bw...
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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
January 06 2014 10:59 GMT
#36
On January 06 2014 19:05 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 10:00 Crownlol wrote:
On January 06 2014 07:15 pms wrote:
I LOLed... Aren't you guys overrating this match quite a bit?
I guess baneling busts are all what it takes to please you :D


Do you know what a baneling bust is?


My bad, I meant baneling traps, naturally.

I watched this game live. I think that people get crazy about it just because of these baneling traps, or whatever you call it. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal, it's just flashy. IMHO the game is overhyped on TL.net.


Well, I can't speak for everyone, but what got me excited (also watching live) were the near-constant marginal judgement calls. Often the right thing to do is obvious from a spectator's perspective. The game settles into a recognisable pattern, the players either get the next step right or the game ends (barring some colossal reciprocal mistake). In this game, everything was a marginal call. Proxy vs blind speedling. Aborted retaliatory bust. Muta-heavy opening in before the parade push that would have smashed it. Judging when to risk splitting banelings or mutas away from defence to hit expansions, which had to happen to soften the 3-base all-in. Judging when and how to defend the third and when to abandon it, judging when to commit to low-econ and killing orbitals rather than trying to regroup and mass up. Every single decision was heart-in-mouth time.

Scarlett constantly dangled the possibility of victory in front of Bomber's nose while goading him with harassment. She was always one mismicroed muta flock or one slow round of banelings away from losing - and Bomber knew it. At the same time, the constant economic damage he was taking kept the prospect of backing off to muster a truly overwhelming push just out of reach. The combination meant Bomber always felt he had to keep attacking, even as his medivacs dwindled, which is what Scarlett needed him to do. But this finessing of her opponent came at tremendous cost to Scarlett's economy. An unstoppable deathball was no more an option for her than it was for Bomber. What was awesome about the unscannable baneling mines that won the game was that only unscannable baneling mines could have won the game.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 06 2014 13:44 GMT
#37
On January 06 2014 17:26 maartendq wrote:
Is this that game that Scarlett won due to some lucky burrowed banelings? Winning by pure randomness shouldn't be the standard by which we judge foreigners.

Yeah it's not like there was a crazy 35 minute game against a world class player on a pretty hard map before that or anything. Just a couple of lucky bane bombs.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 06 2014 19:23 GMT
#38
Not going to lie, I love Bomber, but those baneling landmines were something of pure magic.
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Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
January 06 2014 21:50 GMT
#39
This game was so low econ even with Gold Base it seemed hahaha The fact that Scarlett Did burrow those banelings in bombers face / Undercover of the other units was just So quick thinking on her feet that if she just tried engaging once they came down the ramp bomber would have won the True definition of Mind > Matter and beautiful micro...... IE Making the most of the units you have....
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
January 06 2014 22:34 GMT
#40
Thank you very much for the write up!
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