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usNEUX
United States76 Posts
On October 27 2012 07:12 riotjune wrote: So you backdoor your opponent using the nydus? More like get bi-curious Well you'll get called gay or worse probably half the time you use this build so there might be something to this. | ||
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rikter
United States352 Posts
On October 27 2012 06:23 pwncakery wrote: Confirmed, you cannot bring spines into a nydus. You dont load spines into nydus, you load drones and use them to make spines once you get some creep. | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On October 27 2012 07:46 usNEUX wrote: Well you'll get called gay or worse probably half the time you use this build so there might be something to this. confirmed, this is what happens hahaha. | ||
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besez
Sweden54 Posts
The key to this build (for me) is finding the right place to pop the nydus, and to never stop replenishing the roaches and lings and whatever you can bring. Most of the terran army will be at the natural, or out and about the map, so it's a perfect opportunity to bring down buildings, economy, etc. Even spreading creep all over that terran base is so satisfying, because even if you fail, he has to scan his own base to get rid of those creep tumors = less MULEs. Good job on bringing this guide to the masses. Much obliged  | ||
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Proxee
63 Posts
I did this build and I must say it is actually quite fun to use, Getting the creep all over the Terrans natural is amazing! Delays mining from the natural for so long! If you guys aren't using location hotkeys I would recommend doing it. Location hotkeys make taking your 3rd very fast and easy, It actually helps me with this build quite a bit, Less time placing hatcheries more time microing! | ||
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
In any case, move the spotting overlord in quite some bit. I see soooo many, even pros, to just scratch the edge of the presumably sneaky place to place the nydus, only to find a supply depot or pylon a few yards away. | ||
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Azoryen
Portugal242 Posts
On November 19 2012 19:06 Mahtasooma wrote: Earlygame Nydus is always sort of allin because a few workers even can kill it off. In addition, you realize whether the opponent is building "scouting" supply depots or not too late in order to pull back of the strat. In any case, move the spotting overlord in quite some bit. I see soooo many, even pros, to just scratch the edge of the presumably sneaky place to place the nydus, only to find a supply depot or pylon a few yards away. Can't you position overlords for multiple nydus (if necessary) to make it harder for him to kill them all? As a last resort, if you really can't get a nydus up inside his base, maybe place one outside his base just to reduce queens traveling time significantly? If queens were fast, this build could work without nydus, I see nydus mainly as a way of teleporting the queens... Of course the front will be better protected, but it may still do damage. | ||
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usNEUX
United States76 Posts
Since I first wrote this guide I've started dropping a baneling nest at the same time as my roach warren regardless of what I think the Terran is doing because this is the magic number for bunkers, depots, and killing any SCV pulls instantly. Also there was a game in the current GSL season in which the Terran player actually just took his second set of queens and, after dropping several creep tumors, just walked them all the way across the map. He then rallied roaches to them and was able to basically do the same thing but without the nydus and fewer queens. A cute trick here is to have your OV near their base drop some creep for your queens to plant more tumors, allowing you to push creep along with your attack. I'm pretty sure this was on Cloud Kingdom but I've watched so many games recently that I really have no idea which one this was. Trying to track it down now... | ||
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PAPUXO
Chile3 Posts
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stakiman
Bulgaria42 Posts
I can provide high level replays of (i hope) perfect execution if anyone's interested. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On November 20 2012 17:33 usNEUX wrote: Again, you can just pop the nydus near their natural ramp and still be able to break a player going hellion/banshee with an issue. It really isn't worth going for a blatant worm in their base that he will have vision of because you have to remember that each one is costing you 100/100... Since I first wrote this guide I've started dropping a baneling nest at the same time as my roach warren regardless of what I think the Terran is doing because this is the magic number for bunkers, depots, and killing any SCV pulls instantly. Also there was a game in the current GSL season in which the Terran player actually just took his second set of queens and, after dropping several creep tumors, just walked them all the way across the map. He then rallied roaches to them and was able to basically do the same thing but without the nydus and fewer queens. A cute trick here is to have your OV near their base drop some creep for your queens to plant more tumors, allowing you to push creep along with your attack. I'm pretty sure this was on Cloud Kingdom but I've watched so many games recently that I really have no idea which one this was. Trying to track it down now... leenock vs bogus, in game 1 he did a roach/baneling timing with 2 queens and lair, and spread creep outside his opponents base. It was less of an all-in and more of a contain on the natural. in game 2 he did the roach/queen nydus. | ||
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Manch1ld
Canada27 Posts
On November 22 2012 20:23 stakiman wrote: I can provide high level replays of (i hope) perfect execution if anyone's interested. Please do. | ||
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Dynamaxion
United States31 Posts
Concurred. | ||
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usNEUX
United States76 Posts
There's the second game with the nydus (game 1 without). He hits at 9 minutes without banelings, constantly rallying to his nydus, and beats the hellions into 3 rax as innovation pulls all his SCVs. Game 1 he starts moving his 2 queens across the map around 7:45, probably should have started earlier and then his attack could have hit faster. He attacks the natural with like 9 roaches, 2 queens, and lots of banelings. He gets SO close to taking out the natural CC but barely misses it. Definitely a very powerful timing that isn't even all-in. He doesn't make any additional units after his push and instead expands and gets his tech. Also another replay http://drop.sc/277848 (that I added to the OP as well) of a game I just played. It's just a fairly well executed example game where my resources didn't skyrocket during my attack. | ||
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Archen
United States79 Posts
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usNEUX
United States76 Posts
Would love to see more in the current meta if anyone has any. | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
It cost more gas and min. But i like to get another worm exit out. If done while in a fight (not after the fight), it will catch the terran off guard!! | ||
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SirPsychoMantis
United States180 Posts
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fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
To answer somebody elses question about multiple overlords for nydus placement, sure it will help but one nydus network can only build one worm at a time... so they just have to walk from the first nydus that's building to the second in order to prevent them from coming up. | ||
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