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On November 09 2011 05:42 freetgy wrote:
both terran and zerg have cheeses that get you into GM
name me one protoss stratagy that gets you consistently into masters.
And protoss is considered the cheesy race ?...
It starts with a "P" and rhymes with "croton fannon".
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On November 09 2011 05:48 polysciguy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 05:44 Flonomenalz wrote:On November 09 2011 05:42 freetgy wrote:
both terran and zerg have cheeses that get you into GM
name me one protoss stratagy that gets you consistently into masters.
And protoss is considered the cheesy race ?... I guarantee you that you can get to masters doing a perfectly executed 4 gate to the level that these 6 pool all ins are executed. You don't remember old 4 gate? How many Tosses got into masters doing it? lmao. and blizzard has been doing their damndest to kill it.
Meanwhile 6 pool runs freely through the ladder.
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I honestly don't know whether I'm more impressed with your cheese skills or white-ra's manner. Both are as unbelievable as that bull-riding monkey I saw.
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Could have been a fun thread like the 3 rax supply calldown build that was popular a couple of months ago. The BM and overall cockyness of the OP kinda ruins it though.
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On November 09 2011 05:48 UmiNotsuki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 05:45 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:I hate 6 pool; can't wait for HoTS to add that Nexus adding damage to building spell to just end it. But this guide is pretty awesome and I never knew about the hold position trick. Good thread and useful info for all  You're right that the hold position trick is pretty cool, but did he have to embed it in a 6 pooling guide? I'd be much happier to see it in a stand alone guide, with a list of applications, not limited to but INCLUDING 6 pools. Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 05:46 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2011 05:39 ShoWTimE94 wrote:100% reliant on not scouting/not knowing the response. Sad to see players at the top level aren't trained vs this at all... exactly my thoughts. i dont know why you would spend that much time on 6pooling on ladder, but well, live and let live ^^ Well he did say it was for a bet, which he won. This is my saddest fact that it worked. Still, I wonder if he could stay in GM once everyone knows he 6 pools every game. Also, I am bothered by the whole "scouting and responding correctly = auto win". That is the standard TL response of "once I see a 6 pool, I just cue the correct commands and go make a sandwhich." You opponent can still out play you and this thread proves that you have every possibility of losing. Yeah, of course you can still lose, but... look at it this way. I play a ZvT. Because I'm a fairly standard player in early game ZvT, I open 15/15 hatch/pool. I would have no problem telling my Terran opponent that I planned to do this right from the start of the game, because I'm confident in my ability to defend my early expansion cost effectively from literally every option he has to threaten me, even an 11/11. However, if I enter the same game and, rather than going 15/15, open with a 6 pool, and my opponent knows about it, I will lose essentially 100% of the time, because he can still build order counter me. Take that into a realistic setting. I'm a grandmaster player who gets matched against the same, relatively small pool of players every time I ladder (this is not true, but hypothetical.) I 6 pool in every single match, so my opponents know to expect it from me; they will always build order counter my 6 pool with an early wall off in the case of ZvT or ZvP, or an 11 overpool or the like in the case of ZvZ. I'm not gonna win any of my games because my opponents know I am doing something which they can counter directly. But, if I'm a grandmaster in the same situation who goes for a fast expand (safely) every game, my opponents may very well be aware that I'm going to be taking an early expansion, but they can NOT take a free win based solely on that knowledge. Therein lies the crucial difference between "cheesy" and "solid."
its basicly as you say, most of my oponnents do know i tend to cheese. still my dronerush mix in can throw them off. cutting worker against it is not the best thing to do :o
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This Thread is amazing im going to get into GM doing this on NA ..... LOL I'm really good at 8 pool all in in ZvZ's i bet i could get GM with this Thank you OP ! :D
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The only real measure of skill, in my opinion, is tournament format. This is where real competition happens, and where money is made.
Your success doesn't mean anything because it'll never take you anywhere. Sure you might get wins, but if you enter tournaments everyone will crush you. By reading your post, you can see that this is still a coin flip, If an opponent knows who you are, he will blind counter you.
This thread was still helpful, however. It shows that you can be GM and still be a trash player by relying on "surprise" rather than skill. If you make it to the MLG championship bracket, then we'll talk skill.
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Some people think getting to GM matters playing standard, some people think it matters using drophacks and some people think it matters using only 6 pool. Live and let live..
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calling some1 BM when provoking flame.. rich..
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Sounds pretty viable in tournaments.
Just kidding. Not saying it's bad ladder build, but it won't help you in tournaments against players who know it's coming. Of course you could mind game and not do it, but you spend so much time doing this build that your other builds are not close to being up to par.
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On November 09 2011 04:44 Silentenigma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:36 jimbob615 wrote:lol @ the chat against Beastyqt + Show Spoiler +
00:00:13 - sTaGaming to ALL: stremain?
00:00:17 - Beastyqt to ALL: no
00:00:55 - sTaGaming to ALL: ggl
00:00:58 - Beastyqt to ALL: glhf
00:03:01 - Beastyqt to ALL: really?
00:03:05 - sTaGaming to ALL: yup
00:03:28 - Beastyqt to ALL: u should
00:03:32 - Beastyqt to ALL: kill yourself
00:03:34 - sTaGaming to ALL: u qq?
00:03:38 - Beastyqt to ALL: fucking cunt
00:03:41 - sTaGaming to ALL: beasty QQ?
00:04:15 - Beastyqt to ALL: fucking loser
00:04:17 - sTaGaming to ALL: nice manner
00:04:30 - Beastyqt to ALL: what you gonna do
00:04:32 - sTaGaming to ALL: less qq more pew pew
00:04:34 - Beastyqt to ALL: post on TL
00:04:38 - sTaGaming to ALL: yes
00:04:40 - Beastyqt to ALL: you are fucking piece of shit
00:04:42 - Beastyqt to ALL: go post it
00:04:46 - sTaGaming to ALL: i won the mighty beastyqr
00:04:48 - sTaGaming to ALL: qt
00:04:53 - Beastyqt to ALL: you won my dick
00:04:54 - sTaGaming to ALL: nice manner
00:05:02 - Beastyqt to ALL: i'll deliver it
00:05:07 - sTaGaming to ALL: i would rage 2
00:05:13 - sTaGaming to ALL: when i would lose with patchterran :/
00:05:33 - Beastyqt to ALL: patchterran?
00:05:34 - Beastyqt to ALL: wat
00:05:42 - sTaGaming to ALL: nothing special
00:05:49 - sTaGaming to ALL: only means u wouldnt have won a single game by now
00:05:54 - sTaGaming to ALL: if you would pick another race
00:06:05 - Beastyqt to ALL: i beat kas with offraces taht i dont even play
00:06:11 - Beastyqt to ALL: hard to S+D and click fungal
00:06:12 - Beastyqt to ALL: rofl
00:06:22 - sTaGaming to ALL: and i win you with funstrats :/
00:06:32 - Beastyqt to ALL: ye because you cant win real game
00:06:34 - sTaGaming to ALL: good world
00:06:35 - Beastyqt to ALL: coz you are terrible
00:06:39 - Beastyqt to ALL: what are you
00:06:41 - sTaGaming to ALL: Q__Q
00:06:42 - Beastyqt to ALL: low masters?
00:06:44 - sTaGaming to ALL: dont hurt me brah
00:06:47 - sTaGaming to ALL: yes
00:06:52 - Beastyqt to ALL: ye avoid answer you know its true
00:07:01 - sTaGaming to ALL: i like u russians
00:07:08 - sTaGaming to ALL: the once that doesnt hack
00:07:09 - sTaGaming to ALL: flame
00:07:22 - Beastyqt to ALL: you are so fucking stupid im not russian
00:07:29 - sTaGaming to ALL: well
00:07:29 - Beastyqt to ALL: u are so bad
00:07:31 - Beastyqt to ALL: and stupid
00:07:33 - sTaGaming to ALL: its the same :/
00:09:16 - sTaGaming to ALL: beastyQQ
00:09:22 - sTaGaming to ALL: will be my next acc
00:09:30 - Beastyqt to ALL: kk
00:09:46 - Beastyqt to ALL: Tardgaming will be my smurf
00:09:48 - Beastyqt to ALL: in bronze
00:09:54 - Beastyqt to ALL: so ppl wouldnt suspect
00:11:21 - sTaGaming to ALL: macro
00:11:22 - sTaGaming to ALL: good
00:11:23 - sTaGaming to ALL: <3
00:11:33 - sTaGaming to ALL: #
00:11:35 - sTaGaming to ALL: oh wait
00:11:41 - sTaGaming to ALL: u cant do anything else than 2 base allins
00:11:49 - Beastyqt to ALL: lol
00:11:54 - Beastyqt to ALL: wait i have to ask
00:11:57 - Beastyqt to ALL: how old are you?
00:12:00 - sTaGaming to ALL: 12
00:12:01 - sTaGaming to ALL: you?
00:12:14 - Beastyqt to ALL: i dont understand people like you
00:12:17 - sTaGaming to ALL: ur mummey didnt teach u manner? :/
00:12:27 - sTaGaming to ALL: neither do i understnad whiner/flamer
00:12:29 - sTaGaming to ALL: like you
00:12:30 - Beastyqt to ALL: are you that jealous of progamers that you have to do this and then talk bullshit?
00:12:39 - Beastyqt to ALL: coz u are terrible?
00:12:43 - sTaGaming to ALL: i was profesional wc3 player
00:12:45 - sTaGaming to ALL: for ages
00:12:49 - sTaGaming to ALL: im tired of it
00:12:54 - Beastyqt to ALL: tell me your PRO wc3 name pls
00:12:56 - sTaGaming to ALL: and getting like 200 a month
00:12:57 - Beastyqt to ALL: i'll ask grubby
00:13:10 - sTaGaming to ALL: well
00:13:11 - Beastyqt to ALL: well you got 200/month coz u are shit probably
00:13:15 - sTaGaming to ALL: i wouldnt call that profesional
00:13:23 - Beastyqt to ALL: no tell me
00:13:30 - Beastyqt to ALL: whats your WC3 name Mr. pro low masters
00:13:40 - Beastyqt to ALL: exactly what i thought
00:13:48 - Beastyqt to ALL: u are newbie thats jealous of sc2 pros and you do this
00:13:49 - sTaGaming to ALL: grubby knows who i am
00:13:52 - sTaGaming to ALL: im madfrog
00:13:54 - Beastyqt to ALL: you probably tell your buddies as well?
00:13:55 - sTaGaming to ALL: haha
00:14:06 - Beastyqt to ALL: madfrog quit long time ago
00:14:16 - Beastyqt to ALL: so ya
00:14:19 - Beastyqt to ALL: dont talk shit
00:14:20 - Beastyqt to ALL: kid
00:14:23 - sTaGaming to ALL: have a nice day
00:14:26 - sTaGaming to ALL: patchterra
00:14:29 - Beastyqt to ALL: with your mother.
Well that rage is well deserved.Anyone would rage if you lose to 6 pool 
got 6pooled yesterday and i said gg 
also this is pretty lol's XD GM by 6-pooling
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How do you hold this as P?
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This elevates 6 pool to a level of skill where I would no longer call it cheese. When you work this hard, you deserve the win.
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On November 09 2011 05:51 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 05:42 freetgy wrote:
both terran and zerg have cheeses that get you into GM
name me one protoss stratagy that gets you consistently into masters.
And protoss is considered the cheesy race ?... It starts with a "P" and rhymes with "croton fannon".
Cannon Rushing is only remotely viable in PvP.
I do think it is slightly overpowered there, since it is still used at the pro level, most recently in MLG-Raleigh Finals.
Protoss is not the cheese race. It is the cheesed race.
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Kudos to WhiteRa for not flaming you. Especially when you were gloating about it. Hes probably pissed that you are wasting his practice time
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I know cheeses are bad, kill people and rape grand mother, but is using cheese to up top master/GM a good idea ?
I mean : you use 6 pool / 3 rax to up to GM, and then you play macro game to train yourself against GM players ?
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Would it work in a BO3 at the same level ? I don't think so...
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what i will take from this thread is that white-ra is the best human alive
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Go to MLG Providence and win it with this
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