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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:42 freetgy wrote: both terran and zerg have cheeses that get you into GM name me one protoss stratagy that gets you consistently into masters. And protoss is considered the cheesy race ?... It starts with a "P" and rhymes with "croton fannon". | ||
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iLike413
Canada100 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:48 polysciguy wrote: and blizzard has been doing their damndest to kill it. Meanwhile 6 pool runs freely through the ladder. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:48 UmiNotsuki wrote: You're right that the hold position trick is pretty cool, but did he have to embed it in a 6 pooling guide? I'd be much happier to see it in a stand alone guide, with a list of applications, not limited to but INCLUDING 6 pools. Yeah, of course you can still lose, but... look at it this way. I play a ZvT. Because I'm a fairly standard player in early game ZvT, I open 15/15 hatch/pool. I would have no problem telling my Terran opponent that I planned to do this right from the start of the game, because I'm confident in my ability to defend my early expansion cost effectively from literally every option he has to threaten me, even an 11/11. However, if I enter the same game and, rather than going 15/15, open with a 6 pool, and my opponent knows about it, I will lose essentially 100% of the time, because he can still build order counter me. Take that into a realistic setting. I'm a grandmaster player who gets matched against the same, relatively small pool of players every time I ladder (this is not true, but hypothetical.) I 6 pool in every single match, so my opponents know to expect it from me; they will always build order counter my 6 pool with an early wall off in the case of ZvT or ZvP, or an 11 overpool or the like in the case of ZvZ. I'm not gonna win any of my games because my opponents know I am doing something which they can counter directly. But, if I'm a grandmaster in the same situation who goes for a fast expand (safely) every game, my opponents may very well be aware that I'm going to be taking an early expansion, but they can NOT take a free win based solely on that knowledge. Therein lies the crucial difference between "cheesy" and "solid." its basicly as you say, most of my oponnents do know i tend to cheese. still my dronerush mix in can throw them off. cutting worker against it is not the best thing to do :o | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
Your success doesn't mean anything because it'll never take you anywhere. Sure you might get wins, but if you enter tournaments everyone will crush you. By reading your post, you can see that this is still a coin flip, If an opponent knows who you are, he will blind counter you. This thread was still helpful, however. It shows that you can be GM and still be a trash player by relying on "surprise" rather than skill. If you make it to the MLG championship bracket, then we'll talk skill. | ||
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xCenasfu
Finland143 Posts
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Blenor
Poland6 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
Just kidding. Not saying it's bad ladder build, but it won't help you in tournaments against players who know it's coming. Of course you could mind game and not do it, but you spend so much time doing this build that your other builds are not close to being up to par. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On November 09 2011 04:44 Silentenigma wrote: Well that rage is well deserved.Anyone would rage if you lose to 6 pool  got 6pooled yesterday and i said gg  also this is pretty lol's XD GM by 6-pooling | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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galivet
288 Posts
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:51 darkscream wrote: It starts with a "P" and rhymes with "croton fannon". Cannon Rushing is only remotely viable in PvP. I do think it is slightly overpowered there, since it is still used at the pro level, most recently in MLG-Raleigh Finals. Protoss is not the cheese race. It is the cheesed race. | ||
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Mithridates
United States446 Posts
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Magus.423
France33 Posts
I mean : you use 6 pool / 3 rax to up to GM, and then you play macro game to train yourself against GM players ? | ||
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celastus
France4 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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