[G] FFE Walls, the Ladder Pool, and You - Page 2

On October 05 2011 05:54 -orb- wrote:
Thanks for the post, but you use pylons in most of your walls in front. This is extremely dangerous.

Many zergs (especially on ladder where everyone cheeses) will baneling bust before you can have sentries out, and if you have a pylon in front like that (especially with some of your walls where your cannon is right behind the pylon and will get killed immediately afterwards) you will lose every single time.

You say you address the pylon issue in your post but nowhere do I see you addressing the issue of baneling busts. I even ctrl>f'd your post for bane and nothing showed up. Players like July have said they will always baneling bust a wall like this against FFE and it's always successful.

On October 05 2011 06:02 Geiko wrote:
Good post,

To add to the discussion, here are some of the concerns I have :

1-I don't really like pylons in wall off. In the shakuras wall off, a baneling bust can kill the pylon easily and even if you wall off with a 3x3 building behind, the lings can finish off the injured cannon right behind it.

2-I don't like the zealot wall off on abyssal caverns, it looks like it can be attacked by multiple lings at once (3 ?) which would mean that just a mass speedling build could break it. Is there no way to make it so the zealot is in a little choke like on the other maps ?

3-On open natural maps (where nexus is part of the wall off), I feel it is important to be able to emergency wall off your ramp in case of mass ling runby. Some of your building placement don't have pylon power to build at the ramp, and too wide spaces to block with a single pylon. This isn't much of a problem since you can build your second pylon in the natural, but against very early pools, you might need to probe micro to prevent the lings from running up the ramp instead of simply putting down a gateway or something.

-4Personally, I FFE on all maps, even though the maps you talked about at the end are more difficult, it would be still useful to have building placements for those maps.

I do NOT believe in solid wall-offs. I played BW. When you wanted a wall, you blocked with Probes like a man, by God, you made it work.

On October 05 2011 06:15 Sleight wrote:


1) I mention this in replying to Orb, but frankly, any walls with even a Zealot can be busted. it is a matter of prioritizing Sentries and handling Banelings with your units and build order. All of my suggestions allow for secondary reinforcing if you see the Banelings coming.

2) I can only get 2 Lings to attack it at a time. 1 Zealot + 1 cannon shot kills a Ling and if they flood *a lot* of lings, you can fill that space in just behind it with a cannon or Pylon, like I discuss.

3) All of my walls allow for panic blocking the ramp if you incorporate your 2nd pylon. Additionally, they all narrow off the back area enough that you can hold position probes and bug out lings while your cannon shoots.

4) I would really appreciate your help on those maps then Geiko, because I have yet to find a satisfactory wall in method, despite numerous attempts, on any of the maps I left off.

On October 05 2011 06:46 Geiko wrote:


Maybe something like this + Show Spoiler +

which you can reinforce later by adding a 3x3 building in front like this + Show Spoiler +

or behind (don't have a screen shot for that, very easy AI killed me while I was writing this post -_-, but behind seems better for not losing cybercore to early roaches). There might be better ways, i haven't really given it much thought. The obvious problem with this is that the forge can be sniped with roaches and your cannon is too far, but if he is roach all ining you, then you can afford to sack the forge I guess.

You're also gonna need extra cannons on Xnc. I personally always start off with 2 (one near the ramp, and one on the side covering the rest of the mineral line. And then add 0-4 cannons depending on what I scout.

Don't really have time to do this for other maps, but there are always ways of FFEing i think.