well what for me lacks in this video is the use of drop harass by terran,

i mean sure if protoss can macro up without any immediate threat and expo pressure he is gonna come out on top with the proper unit composition.

Harpwn

Australia253 Posts

January 29 2011 12:41 GMT

#25

ive got a question if any1 can answer:

How would you guys advise to play 2 gate robo vs that 50 food stim/combat shield 3 rax timing? I cant hold that thing off ever =(((

TomTomTom.965

Germany62 Posts

January 29 2011 12:55 GMT

#26

u have to cut him in half with ff so zealots can actually deal dmg.
dont rush for collosus, because imortals are very important
may u have to pull some probes

TomTomTom.965

Germany62 Posts

January 29 2011 13:02 GMT

#27

one question to incontrol, if hes reading

i do the same build, but i add 2 stargate for fenix. do think its more effective or just do more gates?

ZeromuS

Canada13379 Posts

January 29 2011 15:56 GMT

#28

On January 29 2011 22:02 TomTomTom.965 wrote:
one question to incontrol, if hes reading

i do the same build, but i add 2 stargate for fenix. do think its more effective or just do more gates?

I'm not incontrol but I also use 2 stargates when I do a similar build. However for me, I like to tech to carriers as well once I get a lot of pheonix. Just 2 carriers do amazingy as support units.

dark fury

Sweden426 Posts

January 29 2011 16:05 GMT

#29

On January 29 2011 21:55 TomTomTom.965 wrote:
u have to cut him in half with ff so zealots can actually deal dmg.
dont rush for collosus, because imortals are very important
may u have to pull some probes

this makes no sense at all. if you want to optimize the efficiency of zealots against marine/marauder you should always make a cup behind their troops. if you cut them in half you will actually block your zealots from attacking the other half once the frontline is dead, while the ranged terran units can still shoot down your zealots.

Glurkenspurk

United States1915 Posts

January 29 2011 17:09 GMT

#30

On January 29 2011 21:41 Reignyo wrote:
ive got a question if any1 can answer:

How would you guys advise to play 2 gate robo vs that 50 food stim/combat shield 3 rax timing? I cant hold that thing off ever =(((

Get a third gate and use forcefields. Depending on how well you hold it off you can either counter attack and just go fucking kill him, or expand and macro up.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 29 2011 19:00 GMT

#31

Yeah, he mentioned you don't want to expand against 1 base timing pushes like that 3 rax. And about drops, I find that minimap awareness with pylon spreads do very we against that thing early game. And no terran will want to drop once you have pheonixes. HuK does very good pylon spreads and xel naga tower usage in his pvts.

da_head

Canada3350 Posts

January 29 2011 19:01 GMT

#32

thanks for this

Ifrit

Germany42 Posts

January 29 2011 19:11 GMT

#33

As I've watched all Incontrol Lessons that have been uploaded so far I really appreciate this a lot. Huge thanks L1F3 and Incontrol for this.

Moja

United States313 Posts

January 29 2011 20:29 GMT

#34

Just from watching, I'd say if you expand more aggressively and add the right amount of production buildings as the game goes on (it's okay to add "too many" gateways, especially if you're banking a lot), you'll be in masters in no time. I was actually surprised you were in platinum, since your early build is very clean even with micro-ing your scout (good multitasking early).

Unit control in battles and map scouting in the midgame could use some work too, but they're less important imo.

Thx for posting. Gl hitting masters soon!

Ifrit

Germany42 Posts

January 29 2011 20:56 GMT

#35

I was actually surprised you were in platinum

This!

I just finished watching and I gotta admit, I was thinking "oh, Plat, hm :\" beforehand because sometimes these sessions are taken by guys who in my opinion don't need Incontrol to teach them anything because they lack the very basic and fundamental stuff that's actually required to pull off such 3-4+ base macro wars. Now I don't wanna sound disrespectful, I myself started in Bronze 3 months ago, but now that I'm top Diamond I think I wouldn't get too much from such a session myself yet, because I still have to improve on stuff which is already pretty known and obvious to me but just not as rehearsed and intuitive for me.

That being said I also was surprised to see how good you were performing. Usually during those sessions I watch and think of all the mistakes and are like "damn it, do X, you know you gotta do it" but it doesn't happen and I just wait for Incontrol to tell you afterwards but almost always you did those things shortly after I thought of them. Also, you seemed to be very receptive of the new input he gave you as you quickly implemented lots of unfamiliar stuff, playing a kind of unfamiliar (to you) build and improved bit by bit every single game.

So, hats off to you. I guess there's no better advertisement for gosucoaching than such a session.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 29 2011 21:18 GMT

#36

Thanks! The honest truth is that I don't really get a lot of time to ladder. (I got the game on release and only have like 300 games). I mostly play with my friends (One of which a platinum Zerg, and a Diamond Terran, who used to be Protoss), when I do get the time. That said, I was in a recent LAN and took down a 2700 diamond! (I was so happy when I did this). One of these days, I'll grind the ladder and get to diamond!

DeltaBravo

United States119 Posts

January 29 2011 21:40 GMT

#37

Hey L1F3, I think I played with you and one of your friends a yesterday on one of those Xel'Naga Obs games. I'm suprised that you're platnium, because your level of play seems to be higher than the ones I know, as shown in the video.

Along that note, thanks for uploading the coaching session, I'm watching it right now and I find it very educational, as I'm sure many others do. Mad props for being so selfless.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 29 2011 21:52 GMT

#38

On January 30 2011 06:40 DeltaBravo wrote:
Hey L1F3, I think I played with you and one of your friends a yesterday on one of those Xel'Naga Obs games. I'm suprised that you're platnium, because your level of play seems to be higher than the ones I know, as shown in the video.

Along that note, thanks for uploading the coaching session, I'm watching it right now and I find it very educational, as I'm sure many others do. Mad props for being so selfless.

Yeah I remember playing you. I was getting tired of playing so I was like "Screw it! 4 Gate!". Cause I had played basically bad people up until then. It was a GG for sure!