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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-15 01:23:27
June 15 2008 01:21 GMT
#41
On June 15 2008 02:05 Carnac wrote:
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On June 15 2008 01:53 intotherainx wrote:
Use the OSL model-- one game from each quarterfinals, then game 2/3 (if necessary) for the second day, etc. It would be much less boring than watching 5 PvP games in a row...
that system is terrible


Pretty much. Probably my least favorite round of OSL/MSL. I don't think it'd work particularly well for TSL either.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2898 Posts
June 16 2008 04:40 GMT
#42
On June 08 2008 10:20 h3r1n6 wrote:
The point with single elimination is, that it is very easy to understand, and see whos facing who, and how the standings are.

Not the fairest, but the easiest from organisation and for the viewers.


that and all the games are more important.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 16 2008 05:37 GMT
#43
On June 08 2008 16:16 qet wrote:
OK, so as an alternative, what about the "double elimination" format?
I believe it was used in the round of 32 ?
Yea, why double elimination on round of 16 and forward?

It is both fairer and exciting.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28642 Posts
June 16 2008 06:53 GMT
#44
no double elimination no swiss, bo7 finals sounds good tho
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Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
June 16 2008 07:00 GMT
#45
I like single elimination better.
Also the length of the TSL was great.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28642 Posts
June 16 2008 07:06 GMT
#46
I can't think of a single sport event followed by huge numbers of people that actually practices double elimination. you lose- you're out is part of the excitement. it's not the best system for finding the most skilled player, but so what really.. :p
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Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-16 16:15:21
June 16 2008 16:14 GMT
#47
I liked the format. Swiss system is an interesting suggestion and has some good points, but honestly it is much more exciting as a viewer to see people fighting to stay alive! I don't think I could feel as much tension in each game of a series if I knew that this just means the player gets less points and ranked lower..

Honestly, who wants to watch the ladder qualification stages? Thats pretty much what swiss system feels like.

Edit: Bo7 finals sounds awesome. What an epic way to finish the thing off. Also has a nice progression of Bo3->Bo5->Bo7
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-17 07:33:05
June 17 2008 07:31 GMT
#48
I like the randomness feel. The feeling that anybody could win, not that JF didn't deserve the TSL victory. The best overall player does not always win, but someone almost as good do win.

Before Starcraft, I was into (Capcom) USA Street Fighter series tournament. There were so many chances for the best players with the best characters to win. Despite the amount of characters, it's gets very boring when you see mainly O.sagat (Super Turbo), Chunli (Third Strike), V-Sakura (Alpha 3) for the billionth time. Japanese tournament, however, was fast pace and unpredictable with their single match & single elimination format. That tournament, almost any character could win.

edit: however to be fair, USA players had to pay a hefty fee to enter so they're getting their money's worth at least. Starcraft tournies are usually free.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 17 2008 12:04 GMT
#49
On June 16 2008 16:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I can't think of a single sport event followed by huge numbers of people that actually practices double elimination. you lose- you're out is part of the excitement. it's not the best system for finding the most skilled player, but so what really.. :p
im a sucker for double elim !
oh hoho many a good MSL runs
We wouldn't have had Reach/Chojja and the sexy maelstrom if it weren't for double elim!
Oov would have only won 2 MSLs!
etcetc
Ah i miss double elim msl
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 17 2008 23:13 GMT
#50
But double elimination is still exciting and just soooo much fairer
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eat
Profile Joined February 2008
United Kingdom88 Posts
June 19 2008 17:23 GMT
#51
I think a group system would be rather excellent. 4 groups of 4, top 2 going into quarter finals. I thought GomTV GSI last season was awsome because the website was amazing. You had all the groups set out really well with links to matches and vods (not like Avertec Intel Classic that just has the VODs with barely any info on th groups making it a pile of shit).

Anyway, I for one would like a group system.
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Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
June 19 2008 20:26 GMT
#52
The only big change everyone will most likely see is a Bo7 Finals next season. DB takes too long. Group stages is possible in the near future.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
June 19 2008 22:16 GMT
#53
Bo7 is an endurance contest, for the commentators and the spectators.
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 19 2008 23:24 GMT
#54
Bo7 are too exhaustive imho.

On June 20 2008 02:23 eat wrote:
I think a group system would be rather excellent. 4 groups of 4, top 2 going into quarter finals. I thought GomTV GSI last season was awsome because the website was amazing. You had all the groups set out really well with links to matches and vods (not like Avertec Intel Classic that just has the VODs with barely any info on th groups making it a pile of shit).

Anyway, I for one would like a group system.
Isn't that how TSL Ro32 was done? Can it be done by groups for the whole elimination phase from Ro16 to finals? Like starts with 4 groups of 4 then 2 groups of 4, 1 group of 4, end?

Has this been done before? How exactly would first round match against second round? Anyway it doesn't sound neither as exciting neither as fair as double elimination... or not?
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
June 20 2008 12:06 GMT
#55
On June 20 2008 07:16 Ancestral wrote:
Bo7 is an endurance contest, for the commentators and the spectators.

dont forget the players :p
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SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
June 20 2008 12:36 GMT
#56
I think the system was fine of the original TSL, but should have some changes:
There should be 2 groups until the R16, same as uefa EC.
From R16 same as what TSL was.
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