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On August 12 2009 12:23 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 12:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash's apm is only 'ordinary' in so much as he plays Terran. He's probably as fast as Bisu and a little slower than Jaedong, it's just less than or equal to doesn't cut it as terran. what? he's just slumping. his apm hasn't changed from what it was in past years when he was utterly dominating everyone in his path including both the players you mentioned.
We're not talking about flash's non-existant slump. We're talking about his mechanics, which includes his APM. Some people are saying, APMwise, he's weaker than other S-Class players and ordinary for a top tier player, but he's actually as fast as most top tier Zs and Ps, just mediocre for a Terran.
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On August 12 2009 12:23 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 12:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash's apm is only 'ordinary' in so much as he plays Terran. He's probably as fast as Bisu and a little slower than Jaedong, it's just less than or equal to doesn't cut it as terran. what? he's just slumping. his apm hasn't changed from what it was in past years when he was utterly dominating everyone in his path including both the players you mentioned.
At his peak, he never dominated Jaedong. He went 5-5 against him during that period on a map pool that included zodiac, troy and baekmagoji.
and since then, jaedong really has dominated flash in head to head play
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On August 13 2009 02:01 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 12:23 Terranist wrote:On August 12 2009 12:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash's apm is only 'ordinary' in so much as he plays Terran. He's probably as fast as Bisu and a little slower than Jaedong, it's just less than or equal to doesn't cut it as terran. what? he's just slumping. his apm hasn't changed from what it was in past years when he was utterly dominating everyone in his path including both the players you mentioned. At his peak, he never dominated Jaedong. He went 5-5 against him during that period on a map pool that included zodiac, troy and baekmagoji. and since then, jaedong really has dominated flash in head to head play
I love how you "forget" to mention that the map pool also included Blue Storm and Fantasy II, the former being played twice.
Only time when JD truly dominated Flash was the infamous GOM final. Since then, he got for example kicked out of MSL by him. You're not exactly dominating someone if he kicked you out of the second most important individual league, are you?
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Also, Jaedong is 2-0 vs Flash this year, if you disregard the two games Flash won.
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Damn, just when I thought Flash and Jaedong fanboys had learned to get along.
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For the record us Flash fan boys get along really well with Jaedong fan boys... Bisu on the other hand.
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Blind fanboyism is always annoying :/
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On August 13 2009 02:50 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2009 02:01 Mindcrime wrote:On August 12 2009 12:23 Terranist wrote:On August 12 2009 12:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash's apm is only 'ordinary' in so much as he plays Terran. He's probably as fast as Bisu and a little slower than Jaedong, it's just less than or equal to doesn't cut it as terran. what? he's just slumping. his apm hasn't changed from what it was in past years when he was utterly dominating everyone in his path including both the players you mentioned. At his peak, he never dominated Jaedong. He went 5-5 against him during that period on a map pool that included zodiac, troy and baekmagoji. and since then, jaedong really has dominated flash in head to head play I love how you "forget" to mention that the map pool also included Blue Storm and Fantasy II, the former being played twice. Only time when JD truly dominated Flash was the infamous GOM final. Since then, he got for example kicked out of MSL by him. You're not exactly dominating someone if he kicked you out of the second most important individual league, are you?
I'll give you fantasy, but if I had mentioned blue storm I would have had to mention loki as well. :|
and 7-2 overall and a 3-0 in the only boX they played looks pretty dominant to me.
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BoX? You mean Bo5, right? Because BoX includes Bo1, Bo3, etc. It's kind of what variables do.
I mean other than that I think Flash has more series up on jaedong including Bo3s. But when you include stuff like group stages, proleague, winner's league, jd comes ahead.
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On August 13 2009 03:55 Carnac wrote: Blind fanboyism is always annoying :/
Yea... but it's a better vice than smoking, so I'm still pretty happy with myself.
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On August 13 2009 05:12 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2009 02:50 adelarge wrote:On August 13 2009 02:01 Mindcrime wrote:On August 12 2009 12:23 Terranist wrote:On August 12 2009 12:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash's apm is only 'ordinary' in so much as he plays Terran. He's probably as fast as Bisu and a little slower than Jaedong, it's just less than or equal to doesn't cut it as terran. what? he's just slumping. his apm hasn't changed from what it was in past years when he was utterly dominating everyone in his path including both the players you mentioned. At his peak, he never dominated Jaedong. He went 5-5 against him during that period on a map pool that included zodiac, troy and baekmagoji. and since then, jaedong really has dominated flash in head to head play I love how you "forget" to mention that the map pool also included Blue Storm and Fantasy II, the former being played twice. Only time when JD truly dominated Flash was the infamous GOM final. Since then, he got for example kicked out of MSL by him. You're not exactly dominating someone if he kicked you out of the second most important individual league, are you? I'll give you fantasy, but if I had mentioned blue storm I would have had to mention loki as well. :| and 7-2 overall and a 3-0 in the only boX they played looks pretty dominant to me.
Well, Loki II was played only once, so it's still just 4:3 in terms of bad maps.
And I already agreed that there was time where Flash got trashed by JD pretty hard. I just protested against the last sentence of your original post. No way JD dominated Flash "sice then".
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On August 13 2009 09:02 Orbifold wrote:Yea... but it's a better vice than smoking, so I'm still pretty happy with myself. I'm a rapist but that's better than being a murder so it's cool right?
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how is rape and murder even close to comparable to fanboyism and smoking? O_o
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On August 13 2009 15:57 400lb White Girl wrote: how is rape and murder even close to comparable to fanboyism and smoking? O_o It's the concept people, the concept ><;
Holding back is hard.
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On August 13 2009 16:32 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2009 15:57 400lb White Girl wrote: how is rape and murder even close to comparable to fanboyism and smoking? O_o It's the concept people, the concept ><; Holding back is hard. Rape isn't always better than murder. It's the context dude, the context.
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+ Show Spoiler +hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc?
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MSL semifinal spoiler + Show Spoiler +After his 3-1 win over Jaedong, Calm now has a higher win percentage in 2009 than Jaedong does. Calm is 44-19 (69.84%) compared to 86-40 (68.25%)
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On August 13 2009 20:09 integral wrote:MSL semifinal spoiler + Show Spoiler +After his 3-1 win over Jaedong, Calm now has a higher win percentage in 2009 than Jaedong does. Calm is 44-19 (69.84%) compared to 86-40 (68.25%)
Calm is playing great lately but his 2009 thus far was not remotely comparable to Jaedong's.
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On August 13 2009 20:04 o[twist] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hard to justify keeping jaedong on top unless he really trounces fantasy now. going to be a weird PR - fantasy, calm, iris, yarnc?
+ Show Spoiler +I would say more than hard.
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On August 13 2009 20:09 integral wrote:MSL semifinal spoiler + Show Spoiler +After his 3-1 win over Jaedong, Calm now has a higher win percentage in 2009 than Jaedong does. Calm is 44-19 (69.84%) compared to 86-40 (68.25%)
+ Show Spoiler +It's always easier to get a higher winning percentage when the total number of games you've played is signficantly less. For example, Calm has 44-19 (69.84%) but a new player who has just played 4 games that managed to win 3 of them can have (75%) much higher than what Calm has. So if Calm plays as many games as JD, his percentage will even out
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