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Who will win the Team Liquid . net tournament?

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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
November 10 2002 17:57 GMT
#1
Blackman. But, why does he suck so badly (relatively speaking, of course...) zvz? Think maybe joining a team will help work out some of that tho... I like his style.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
November 10 2002 18:14 GMT
#2
elky, duh
Pomozite
Profile Joined October 2002
Croatia647 Posts
November 10 2002 19:09 GMT
#3
I think blackman was member of esu and now he is in pg team, so he is memember of good teams.
i used to be schizophrenic, but we re ok now
GeaR-_-
Profile Joined November 2002
United States16 Posts
November 10 2002 20:21 GMT
#4
My vote would go to Hellghost! but he isn't on the poll , playing random among this group gives a slight advantage (might i recall wcg, naz knows ) in my opinion, but i guess i'll just vote for someone else (yes i know there is other but that bs ...
-_-;;
GeaR-_-
Profile Joined November 2002
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-11-10 20:27:27
November 10 2002 20:26 GMT
#5
btw,

all zerg (but mine) > elky

and i wonder whose jumping on the bandwagon here

i feel dirty talking about z so i'm gonna go take a

(sigh..guess i'll vote for a z user)
Even tho i wanna see a p user win, i'm being honest about who i think is gonna win!!~
-_-;;
FeeLdAfuRy
Profile Joined October 2002
Australia290 Posts
November 10 2002 21:58 GMT
#6
I love Blackmans macro heavy style so ill vote for him.
Just out of curiosity what are you basing his poor ZvZ skills on Mensrea? It seems very difficult to judge ones skill of a heavily circumstantial matchup like ZvZ off of the few WCG games he played (unless of course youve seen alot more of his ZvZ than I have ^^ )
Link]KoH[
Profile Joined October 2002
United States60 Posts
November 10 2002 23:13 GMT
#7
See whats gonna happen is, everyone gets sick except me and maleorderbride and after a hard fought battle that last's hours i will lose to disc connect , But hey... 2nd place isnt that bad
Are fathers are our models for god. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about god.
M@calex
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada81 Posts
November 10 2002 23:17 GMT
#8
Elky, he has a lot of skill

Personnally, i don't think the zvz of blackman is SO bad. I really liked his zvz.
Eat it
Ready2[ESC]
Profile Joined October 2002
Hungary1436 Posts
November 11 2002 00:06 GMT
#9
sunglasses just pwnz big time ok ok? (need special boxer keyboard to beat the sunglasses)
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
November 11 2002 00:56 GMT
#10
I voted for others, so at least I can pretend that somone would vote for me.

Anyway, before the draft, I had one goal in the tourney; eliminating that newb Astic. I guess that's gonna be a bit harder than I thought
ModeratorFather of bunnies
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-11-11 02:04:19
November 11 2002 02:04 GMT
#11
On November 11 2002 05:26 GeaR-_- wrote:
btw,

all zerg (but mine) > elky


Of course
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RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
November 11 2002 03:31 GMT
#12
I'm voting Blackman as he's cool (I also like his style).
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
November 11 2002 04:42 GMT
#13
Beast!!!
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
November 11 2002 05:21 GMT
#14
Mah homie Sobad! Go git'em.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
Zob
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany226 Posts
November 11 2002 06:27 GMT
#15
Everyone can do it
I voted for Elky! His TvZ is better than you think.
But we'll see...
oK.BoNeS
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil14 Posts
November 11 2002 07:16 GMT
#16
Whereis HellGhost in this pool?
kekekeke

HellGhost in 9th, HG > SUKER , HG > NAZGUL
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
November 11 2002 07:18 GMT
#17
I feel sorry for rekrul, he didn't get any votes yet, while some no-name babo called other got 13 votes! :[
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
November 11 2002 07:51 GMT
#18
Vote for my neightbour Suker.

He has a lot to show.

Hf all
Tele
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 11 2002 12:40 GMT
#19
What is this talk about elky's tvz being poor, his tvz is kinda gosu, it's his tvp that sucks -_-;;

Blackman's zvz might be bad if he couldn't program the comps to play good z Well I think that it's more because of Blackman using mutes so little in other mu's [scourge as well]. The replays i've seen were mostly hydralurker strats in both zvp and zvt [which is good i think ^^;]
River me timbers.
Liquid`Crystal
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada398 Posts
November 11 2002 16:41 GMT
#20
i voted for rekrul because he beat me 4-1 today
andy rocks
Staind
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada59 Posts
November 11 2002 17:33 GMT
#21
Nazgul ~ Protoss users for life.
I love you all!
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 12 2002 02:43 GMT
#22
Blackman will win T_T ^^;
River me timbers.
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2002-11-12 05:37:52
November 12 2002 05:37 GMT
#23
Me vs Blackman 1st round on Forbidden Zone

MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
halpmeh
Profile Joined October 2002
United States333 Posts
November 12 2002 10:03 GMT
#24
elky's tvz is tops man

who dissing =[

-angel
halp meh halp yuo
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
November 12 2002 10:37 GMT
#25
On November 12 2002 14:37 Beast_Bg wrote:
Me vs Blackman 1st round on Forbidden Zone



shutup, I got Elky

Wanna switch?
ModeratorFather of bunnies
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
November 12 2002 11:23 GMT
#26
who's saying elky's tvz is poor?
who's smoking crack?

I'd say elky is the 4th best in the world tvz behind boxer, themarine and nada
DReaMe
Profile Joined October 2002
United States337 Posts
November 12 2002 16:22 GMT
#27
Are you kids on crack?

FroZ or Elky wins this ~
Did you not see what FroZ can do when he actually tries?
He is the epidemy of mechanic terran user, with great speed and overall control of the game, I don't see him losing to anyone in this tournament other than Elky..but then again, Elky has always been, and always will be one of the best tournament players ever.
wo chej ma go ren
StuFFofLegenDS
Profile Joined October 2002
United States245 Posts
November 12 2002 17:06 GMT
#28
Wow, Blackman seems to have quite the following now...
And NO sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find...I shall KILL you.
Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1692 Posts
November 12 2002 19:39 GMT
#29
Elky will take this imo, being theres no top koreans (who seem to be his only weakness :p )
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
November 13 2002 03:57 GMT
#30
Daaman is pretty good. He's been practising a lot with Nazgul and Naz's friends
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
November 13 2002 04:44 GMT
#31
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asdasdas
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 13 2002 08:22 GMT
#32
Huh, seems like sum1 found how to abuse the poll :x
Blackman's got some 100+ votes in one evening ^^
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Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
November 13 2002 09:21 GMT
#33
<b class=quote>On November 13 2002 04:39 Powerpill wrote:</B><BR> Elky will take this imo, being theres no top koreans (who seem to be his only weakness :p )

But I'm here .
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 13 2002 09:28 GMT
#34
Just saw a few reps from Blackman, and I have to say he's got one of the best styles out there right now. I'd hate to admit it, but his game is far superior to YellOw. His macro is strangely perfect, and his micro induces a temporary disruption of the jaw muscles that leave the bottom jaw to drop to the floor.

I know it's a rather extreme opinion, knowing how YellOw is renowned for his zerg expertise. I say give Blackman (real name please?) a few more months, a couple of expert training partners, a chance to strengthen his ZvZ, and we'll be seeing him own some Korean hineys!!
To be or not to be... Make up yer friggin' mind!?~
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
November 13 2002 10:54 GMT
#35
blackman sucks in unusual situations
he seems to think _before_ the game, not while playing it ^^
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
November 13 2002 11:27 GMT
#36
vanille

blackman is really really good, but saying that he's far superior to yellow is about the biggest crock of bullshit i've seen.
Moderator
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
November 13 2002 13:49 GMT
#37
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asdasdas
Dr@gonBallZ
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden2 Posts
November 13 2002 14:16 GMT
#38
1.Froz
2.Elky
3.Daaman
4.Suker

I don't believe in Blackman...
In war there aint any winners, only losers.
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
November 13 2002 14:20 GMT
#39
I am a blackman believer. Before WCG I didn't think his micro was good enough. In his old replays, his macro was clearly up there with the best in the the world. After his great micro battle with Boxer, I know his micro is very strong too. He has huge potential. He could rocket to the top like Nada did if he gets the chance to play seriously in Korea.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
oK.BoNeS
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil14 Posts
November 13 2002 17:53 GMT
#40
> HellGhost

Why HellGhost is not in this pool?
HellGhost > SUKER, Rekrul, Nazgul
[5]~!
Profile Joined October 2002
United States34 Posts
November 13 2002 21:35 GMT
#41
<b class=quote>On November 13 2002 20:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:</B><BR> vanille

blackman is really really good, but saying that he's far superior to yellow is about the biggest crock of bullshit i've seen.


The sweet just aint as sweet without the bitter
Liquid.Marine
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada1 Post
November 14 2002 05:53 GMT
#42
<b class=quote>On November 14 2002 02:53 oK.BoNeS wrote:</B><BR> > HellGhost

Why HellGhost is not in this pool?
HellGhost > SUKER, Rekrul, Nazgul




I think it's the 3rd time ur saying this bullshit. Hellghost is the best brazilian but he sucks. This pool is more realistic. I would say that Hellghost is the weakest player on this tourney.
VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 14 2002 07:42 GMT
#43
<b class=quote>On November 13 2002 20:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:</B><BR> vanille

blackman is really really good, but saying that he's far superior to yellow is about the biggest crock of bullshit i've seen.


Did I not say give him time? My guts tell me this dude is gonna rise to the top, if he doesn't get tired of BW and move onto something else that is. I think he might be the biggest threat to come from outside of Korea ever.

His ZvZ needs some tweaking though.
To be or not to be... Make up yer friggin' mind!?~
Wannasee
Profile Joined October 2002
United States175 Posts
November 14 2002 08:39 GMT
#44
O_oa I am shocked by the poll results so far o_O Blackman twivce as many votes as Elky? Elky is after all a pro that eats up Korean pro zergs except for Yellow and Jinnam. ^_^' I guess we will see what happens ^_^
O_o?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
November 14 2002 13:05 GMT
#45
no actually you said that his game is far superior to yellows game. you didn't say give him time and then his game will be far superior to yellows game.
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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
November 14 2002 16:08 GMT
#46
Blackman's got talent (I voted for him, didn't I?), but saying he's "superior" to Yellow is overstating things. Maybe in a year or so and if Blackman gets involved in the Korean pro scene. But for now, and the forsseable future, Yellow is simply the best Zerg player on the planet. There really shouldn't even be a discussion about this...
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 14 2002 18:18 GMT
#47
Ya, although Blackman did extremely well on WCG, I'd still say there are other korean zergs besides yellow who still are better than him. Just because they've practiced more
River me timbers.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 14 2002 18:20 GMT
#48
Well, actually I think Elky has the greatest chance in this b/c he is a "Zerg Killer" and he IS training with the best players out there while he's in korea, so can't deny his level. I still voted for Blackman who is kinda good
River me timbers.
Pomozite
Profile Joined October 2002
Croatia647 Posts
November 14 2002 21:46 GMT
#49
On November 15 2002 03:18 Muhweli wrote:
Ya, although Blackman did extremely well on WCG, I'd still say there are other korean zergs besides yellow who still are better than him. Just because they've practiced more

Maybe WCG didn't show real strength of some players, but Blackman was 3. and many professional players won worse positions. If i remember well those progamers were Juwni, Odissey, Elky and Grrr....
i used to be schizophrenic, but we re ok now
Outsider(SaD)
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland2 Posts
November 15 2002 00:24 GMT
#50
Blackman Ownz you
I am Pro-Be
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 15 2002 04:46 GMT
#51
Blackman is gosu yes, but playing a bo1 vs anyone doesn't really reflect the true skill level. It is possible to win a pro-gamer [as josez showed] w/out actually being a top world player. Most of the korean top pro's are tougher than the players participated in WCG. Can't deny the fact that Blackman is the most powerful zerg outside korea [^^;]
River me timbers.
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
November 15 2002 07:55 GMT
#52
If WCG SC had been all BO3, I think all the Koreans (Grr and Elky included) would have made it far up the ranks before starting to lose vs each other.
VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 15 2002 07:58 GMT
#53
Yeah, I was overstating it. Still, Blackman has a brilliant game.
To be or not to be... Make up yer friggin' mind!?~
uT)CyrAx
Profile Joined October 2002
United States282 Posts
November 15 2002 08:58 GMT
#54
90% of the people here really don't know asses from elbows

anyways

Top picks:
Elky
Blackman
Froz


Anyone can win though, because i think anyone possabably may not care about playing.

Also, this was a biased as hell picked tourni.

Enough said=[
-.,- ~cyraxle
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 15 2002 13:55 GMT
#55
How was it biased?
why so 진지해?
VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 15 2002 15:20 GMT
#56
I hope Cyrax is not in the habit of making unsubstantiated blanket statements then disappears into the night like that...
To be or not to be... Make up yer friggin' mind!?~
roCh
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden870 Posts
November 16 2002 01:11 GMT
#57
Man. This is hard. Anything can happen.. I'd say Elky. Blackman. Daaman. FroZ and Rekrul. and ofcourse Naz.

Im just looking forward to the reps. And ofcourse it'll be fun to see how "ToKoreaWithLove" and "Lucifer" do.. If they can really match up with the pro's..!

Actually Anyone can win i've seen reps with most players. We'll see who has a good day..

Since im swedish i'm sticking with Daaman o_O
but Rekrul and FroZ have impressed me alot.

But Daaman it is -_-
roCh - pronouced rock - comes in all sizes
RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
November 16 2002 02:28 GMT
#58
On November 16 2002 00:20 VaNille wrote:
I hope Cyrax is not in the habit of making unsubstantiated blanket statements then disappears into the night like that...


Actually, from what I've seen on other forums... he is |
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
oK.BoNeS
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil14 Posts
November 16 2002 05:50 GMT
#59
HELLLLLLLLLLLGGHOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT
TomciO
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland414 Posts
November 16 2002 06:00 GMT
#60
BlackMan.
)Is(Honest
Profile Joined September 2002
Korea (South)417 Posts
November 17 2002 01:37 GMT
#61
Nazgul Elky Blackman Rekrul
Volchica
Profile Joined November 2002
Russian Federation10 Posts
November 17 2002 10:00 GMT
#62
Elky
#2 Nazgul
http://progamer.ru/ Female -_-;;
Daaman
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden12 Posts
November 18 2002 04:30 GMT
#63
I'll rock Naz,Elky,Blackwoman and everyone else AIIIIIT?
pez out dawg

or perhaps i won't. let the best man win next sat. gl hf!

comfortably numb
Gosu_Challenger
Profile Joined September 2002
United States6 Posts
November 18 2002 16:18 GMT
#64
Rekrul is awsome, just because he wasnt at wcg doesnt mean shit. He lost to froz in finals at wcg ny on terran biased maps.

I voted Rekrul, damn the guy is good!

Screw blackman!
What you sow is what you reap! USA all the way!
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
November 18 2002 18:23 GMT
#65
On November 12 2002 20:23 tenbagger wrote:
who's saying elky's tvz is poor?
who's smoking crack?

I'd say elky is the 4th best in the world tvz behind boxer, themarine and nada


Err... I would say Elky is top two tvz. His m&m vs zerg is just nasty, I don't think any zerg aside Yell0w and maybe one more can give him serious competition. Nada isn't all good tvz, I feel that for instance Xellos is better than he is tvz (and no, that's not just because I'm all hyped after reading Mensrea's hyping about him). So I'd say... Boxer and Elky top two tvz, with no clear "who's better", and TheMarine (maybe), Xellos, Nada and Sync placing somewhere below.
Ilintar
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland794 Posts
November 19 2002 16:54 GMT
#66
I vote for BlackMaN. Just because IMHO there isn't any zerg in this tournament good enought to defeat him ZvZ. And we all know how he treats P and T alike =]
Former webmaster @ WGTour.com / BWLauncher developer
Daaman
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden12 Posts
November 20 2002 18:35 GMT
#67
If Beast or Crystal helps Blackman won't even make it through the groups. Watch me treat his zerg ok? Up for battle all you polish wimps MOHAHAHA (smell the easy feeling)

comfortably numb
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 20 2002 19:22 GMT
#68
Daamanner plz
why so 진지해?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 20 2002 20:03 GMT
#69
lol
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Daaman
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden12 Posts
November 21 2002 14:34 GMT
#70
Chicken Blackman resigned from the tournament :\\ D'oh... ^^

:7
comfortably numb
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
November 22 2002 04:17 GMT
#71
He did?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 22 2002 04:42 GMT
#72
yes

Ranger will replace him though
Administrator
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
November 22 2002 05:14 GMT
#73
Damn... but Ranger is good news! But I wanted to see Blackman vs Elky bad. Oh well. Good luck tomorrow everyone playing! Keep those results (and reps!) coming.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 23 2002 04:05 GMT
#74
Life is so f*****g cruel... I mean WHAT WILL I DO NOW??+ After two weeks of waiting to see Blackman play, he resigns? There's no other good zerg in the tournament [welllll maybe there are a few decent
River me timbers.
Tayste
Profile Joined October 2004
United Kingdom4 Posts
October 12 2004 20:32 GMT
#75
I agree on XellOs having strong TvZ. Use the version 9 patch rip to open starcraft and look back on that XellOs vs Zergboy[DF.!] lost temple game. It lasted well over an hour i think and zergboy far out resourced XellOs, but it was impossible for Zergboy to take out XellOs, he was so strong.
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