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Which faction will win the IEM Katowice championship?

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net131 Posts
February 22 2020 08:44 GMT
#1
im_pillowpants
Profile Joined December 2019
1 Post
February 22 2020 17:30 GMT
#2
I vote Zerg because I truly think that in the right hands Zerg is not beatable. That's not to say that people don't mistakes... but it's just that. When you play against Zerg it feels like your counting on them to make mistakes. Once people like Serral and Dark get in there, they make mistakes at such a low rate that my heart aches for every other race that has to play against them lol the Zerg race by design just grows so much bigger and faster.. and with creep, they are able to hold multiple locations easier. And by building more and more hatcheries they simply are able to produce more and more stuff. It is ALWAYS on the other race to do SOMETHING to slow down the Zerg. And I just want to be clear I am not talking about diamond and masters players lol There is no doubt right now in anyone's mind that Serral is the best player to ever play SC2... its just facts. The tech units for Zerg are really good in the right hands. But I like the game the way it is. There will never be perfect balance so there will always be one race that is on top. If the races play 100% flawlessly the Zerg will win simply by being able to expand over half of the map and mining more money. Even in the fights, if Zerg uses their tech units perfectly, they have the best spell casters in the game. And if they have the bank and the larva no other race can produce a 150 supply army as quickly as zerg that is also a perfect composition to beat any army they other races could stand to produce in such a short time. I know people will disagree with me and that is perfectly fine but when we are talking about the superhuman levels or performance that Serral has proven to have.. you truly are counting on him to make a mistake. If you do something against him and it works and you win the game... its because he made a mistake. Not because you are good. People aren't perfect and everyone makes mistakes. But he who makes the least amount of mistakes wins the game. Serral has become the Floyd Mayweather of SC2... at some point you just feel foolish betting against him lol
rasi86
Profile Joined July 2019
44 Posts
February 23 2020 20:48 GMT
#3
I pretty much think this will be a terran patch/year
Zerg is OP as hell. Blizzard, stop nerfing Toss!
aeligos
Profile Joined January 2013
United States172 Posts
February 24 2020 05:33 GMT
#4
EZPZerg of course.

User was warned for this post.
libera te tvtemet ex inferis A.'.A.'.
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
February 24 2020 06:58 GMT
#5
It will be interesting to see if the patch is enough to even up the playing field against zerg, but I agree up until this point zerg is unbeatable in the right hands. Should be able to scout everything any game, and has complete defender's advantage. The other races are forced to harass them as much as possible to keep their economy/creep under control and they just have strong defender's advantage. And the zerg fast expansion race design is inherently favored by LOTV econ that forces fast expanding
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 25 2020 00:33 GMT
#6
By the way if protoss don't win this, they will not have won a global event (Blizzcon, WESG, IEM Katowice, GSLvsTW) for more than half of the duration of Starcraft 2. (There's no good protoss at WESG)

Last protoss to win a global event was sOs at the end of HOTS five years ago.
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Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
February 25 2020 09:52 GMT
#7
On February 25 2020 09:33 Nakajin wrote:
By the way if protoss don't win this, they will not have won a global event (Blizzcon, WESG, IEM Katowice, GSLvsTW) for more than half of the duration of Starcraft 2. (There's no good protoss at WESG)

Last protoss to win a global event was sOs at the end of HOTS five years ago.

Strange. I feel like Protoss has been in a reasonably okay spot that entire time, but maybe I'm wrong.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 25 2020 13:47 GMT
#8
My heart says Reynor, but he hasn t been practising as much as everyone else, so probably not
MaxPax
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 26 2020 00:15 GMT
#9
On February 25 2020 18:52 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 09:33 Nakajin wrote:
By the way if protoss don't win this, they will not have won a global event (Blizzcon, WESG, IEM Katowice, GSLvsTW) for more than half of the duration of Starcraft 2. (There's no good protoss at WESG)

Last protoss to win a global event was sOs at the end of HOTS five years ago.

Strange. I feel like Protoss has been in a reasonably okay spot that entire time, but maybe I'm wrong.


Well part of it is just bad luck in those global event, both Classic and Stats loss a 4-3 final.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
February 26 2020 04:19 GMT
#10
I feel like whoever made this poll was trying to get people banned for "balance whining".
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
February 26 2020 07:39 GMT
#11
On February 25 2020 18:52 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 09:33 Nakajin wrote:
By the way if protoss don't win this, they will not have won a global event (Blizzcon, WESG, IEM Katowice, GSLvsTW) for more than half of the duration of Starcraft 2. (There's no good protoss at WESG)

Last protoss to win a global event was sOs at the end of HOTS five years ago.

Strange. I feel like Protoss has been in a reasonably okay spot that entire time, but maybe I'm wrong.
I do think it is necessary to point out that Protoss has won a number of premier Korean tournaments, which some people might deem as more prestigious than certain global events (Not Blizzcon or Katowice, mind you). As an example, Protoss has somehow won 4 out of the 6 Super Tournaments of LotV. Also, Protoss has made the finals of a GSL season 9 out of the 11 times in LotV.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
February 26 2020 09:38 GMT
#12
On February 26 2020 16:39 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2020 18:52 Psychonian wrote:
On February 25 2020 09:33 Nakajin wrote:
By the way if protoss don't win this, they will not have won a global event (Blizzcon, WESG, IEM Katowice, GSLvsTW) for more than half of the duration of Starcraft 2. (There's no good protoss at WESG)

Last protoss to win a global event was sOs at the end of HOTS five years ago.

Strange. I feel like Protoss has been in a reasonably okay spot that entire time, but maybe I'm wrong.
I do think it is necessary to point out that Protoss has won a number of premier Korean tournaments, which some people might deem as more prestigious than certain global events (Not Blizzcon or Katowice, mind you). As an example, Protoss has somehow won 4 out of the 6 Super Tournaments of LotV. Also, Protoss has made the finals of a GSL season 9 out of the 11 times in LotV.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Just bad luck then.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 26 2020 10:39 GMT
#13
Terran have had a good patch but I wouldn't say that they as a race is stronger than Z or P. To me in results recently (barring the offline qualifiers of IEM) I feel protoss have been underperforming.

So I feel somehow protoss is the underdogs here balance wise, going from there I can't help but fall back on my old GSL style tournament favores terran and weekend style tournaments favores zerg argument.

In these Groups we will get to Watch a ton of starcraft 2, a feast for us but also a real party for any none terran players that gets to meet a terran player in RO12 and forward. Because terrans build orders are usually hard to vary up too much while also being more easy to counter than zerg or protoss builds.

Terrans are sure to show their hands in the Groups and for the same builds to keep working throughout the RO12 and forward means we need to see the Innovation of old. You know what he is going to do but you can't stop him, I just don't Think we will see that this time. Last Katowice was a miracle, this katawice is zergs as most weekenders are.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Profile Joined January 2020
3 Posts
February 27 2020 08:28 GMT
#14
OP Zerg ofc

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machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States291 Posts
February 27 2020 09:51 GMT
#15
On February 23 2020 02:30 im_pillowpants wrote:
I vote Zerg because I truly think that in the right hands Zerg is not beatable. That's not to say that people don't mistakes... but it's just that. When you play against Zerg it feels like your counting on them to make mistakes. Once people like Serral and Dark get in there, they make mistakes at such a low rate that my heart aches for every other race that has to play against them lol the Zerg race by design just grows so much bigger and faster.. and with creep, they are able to hold multiple locations easier. And by building more and more hatcheries they simply are able to produce more and more stuff. It is ALWAYS on the other race to do SOMETHING to slow down the Zerg. And I just want to be clear I am not talking about diamond and masters players lol There is no doubt right now in anyone's mind that Serral is the best player to ever play SC2... its just facts. The tech units for Zerg are really good in the right hands. But I like the game the way it is. There will never be perfect balance so there will always be one race that is on top. If the races play 100% flawlessly the Zerg will win simply by being able to expand over half of the map and mining more money. Even in the fights, if Zerg uses their tech units perfectly, they have the best spell casters in the game. And if they have the bank and the larva no other race can produce a 150 supply army as quickly as zerg that is also a perfect composition to beat any army they other races could stand to produce in such a short time. I know people will disagree with me and that is perfectly fine but when we are talking about the superhuman levels or performance that Serral has proven to have.. you truly are counting on him to make a mistake. If you do something against him and it works and you win the game... its because he made a mistake. Not because you are good. People aren't perfect and everyone makes mistakes. But he who makes the least amount of mistakes wins the game. Serral has become the Floyd Mayweather of SC2... at some point you just feel foolish betting against him lol


This has been true for a while. It makes me wonder why more people don't say this. The zerg creep and larva mechanics are not matched by any other game mechanic, other than possibly warping under certain conditions. Why do people pretend Zerg isn't a problem in SC2? What you said about having to stop the Zerg in order to win is exactly right. Having the initiative at the beginning of every single game is a huge advantage.
DivinesiaTV
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
February 27 2020 13:15 GMT
#16
Poll is simply which race we think will win IEM. And if one answers definitely zerg (65% actually), its balancewhining. I dont follow the logic here. :D
Always look at the bright side of life
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
March 01 2020 15:47 GMT
#17
On February 26 2020 13:19 Boggyb wrote:
I feel like whoever made this poll was trying to get people banned for "balance whining".


I voted zerg and wasn't banned at all. Rogue is not the zerg I would have bet on before the tournament although he obviously contributes to the pool of strong zerg players, but well done that man!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada295 Posts
March 02 2020 01:12 GMT
#18
On February 25 2020 09:33 Nakajin wrote:
By the way if protoss don't win this, they will not have won a global event (Blizzcon, WESG, IEM Katowice, GSLvsTW) for more than half of the duration of Starcraft 2. (There's no good protoss at WESG)

Last protoss to win a global event was sOs at the end of HOTS five years ago.


Neeb won Kespa Cup. A global event.
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
March 02 2020 21:17 GMT
#19
well the polls were right. zerg won.
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
lastprobeALIVE
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States973 Posts
March 03 2020 01:35 GMT
#20
How much of Serral being Zerg was a bias to this?
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