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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
March 30 2007 19:45 GMT
#1
After watching the fifth Superfight, I couldnt help but be disappointed with the commentators, the observer, and the concept which looked so good on paper but didnt translate to excitement on the screen. Post why you like it or don't like it, and what you would change.

I for one would like to see better announcers, young guys, who know the game. I also want an observer who doesnt miss battles. I spent all night tonight hearing sound effects that were off the screen.
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
March 30 2007 19:51 GMT
#2
I didn't get to watch today's Superfight, I'll have a clearer idea once I see the VODs... but generally, I'd rather have average SuperFights (host-wise, not game-wise) than just cancel it. Sounds like they need to pro-up their act, but yeah I'd like them to keep hosting the event.
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StreaK
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada580 Posts
March 30 2007 19:52 GMT
#3
i like them.
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DTDominion
Profile Joined November 2005
United States2148 Posts
March 30 2007 19:58 GMT
#4
I like the Superfights and I hope they continue, but yeah they need to get a better idea of what's they're doing.
rinizim *
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-30 20:42:13
March 30 2007 20:38 GMT
#5
I am not a big football fan. And by football I mean, soccer.
But, whenever I come across a football match broadcated in Spanish,
(I am sure you all had that experience) I am hyped to the max.
I can't understand anything they are saying, but one single word.
"GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL~~~~~~~~~~
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL~~~~~~~~~~
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL~~~~~~~~~~
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL~~~~~~~~~~"
You get the point.
I believe this is true for most of us who is not a Korean native when watching Starleague.

It's the atmosphere, the heat, the excitement that makes a professional starcraft match much more exhilarating. In this Superfight #5 the same awesome players played meticulously perfected matches, in a totally new exciting map, and yet overall, the program was slightly better than dull.
The dissapointment extends even further for Koreans who had to bear the commentators who lacked energy, repeated lethargic analyzation of the match, and failed to invigorate any kind of enthusiasm whatsoever.

I have to admit though, that I am not being fair.
All the great Starleague commentators in Ongamenet, and Lee Seunghwan of MBCgame were all amateurish in their old days. They also lacked fervor and professionalism. But, they evolved as Starleagues did. But, now the commentators of Superfight can expect neither the luxury nor mercy from the fans for some 'period of time' to get better. They either have to be near-perfect now, or never. It's not fair, I know, but that's not the point.

Myself included, sometimes we feel the regular Starleagues are getting boring from time to time because one of our favorite (aka boxer, nada, savior, july, you name it) player did not make it to the finals. But, in reality that's what makes the Starleagues so interesting; The whole history behind it, the one rising above out of blue sky, the one who walks the Royal Road, or who attains the Golden Mouse, or so on and on. Without those eonic fairytale-like story, the leagues will not be as intriguing. And, those commentators of Ongamenet do a heck of a job to keep viewers like me come back to Starleague everyweek. It is to the degree that I sometimes feel honestly aggravating in frustration that much of the non native TL.net members won't be able to enjoy their delicious commentary, but only will be able to taste a glimpse of it from their frivolous screaming like, AH~~~~~~ YEA~~~~~~ HATCHERY~~~~~~~~, NEXUS~~~~~~~~~~~ and so on.

So, whether or not Superfight continues to exist, I believe its excitement will dwindle away in time, if it hasn't at all by now. The commentary is worst one can imagine and is a big problem, but that is not even half of what makes Superfight fruitless. Superfight lacks trait and history. I can't care less who wins or loses in Superfight. So what? savior wins a Superfight match. It's like a minor event. Savior wins a Starleague!!?! Now there's something that I pay attention to.

This might become a spoiler, but come this new season of Starleague,
Ongamenet is preparing for something totally new.
My educated guess is a new protocol for the observer and broadcasting; like multi-observing with showing battles in one part of the screen while showing tech in the other side, and similarly, showing multiple battles in the same screen with divided sectors to please the eyes of the viewer. Just you watch. Ongamenet has unofficially promised something totally innovative this new season of Starleague. I sometimes get high just imagining what they'd be.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
March 30 2007 21:04 GMT
#6
rinizim you should post 1000% more.
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Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
March 30 2007 21:07 GMT
#7
any time I get to watch quality players play live I'm happy ^^
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
March 30 2007 21:34 GMT
#8
Well, I think that this last superfight was good but they should have made it longer. They could have extended it to span over ~3 days like a tournament and let each of the 3 players from each race play each player from the other race in a bo3 series,

Just my thoughts..
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 30 2007 22:12 GMT
#9
Absolutely agree with rinizim and Mani, HOWEVER:

I'm sure they will learn from the experience. Yes, the commentaries were extremely dull, and I guess it must have been even tougher for the Korean-speaking viewers, but still... Don't go too harsh on them and ask whether the SuperFights should even be held from now on... I think they deserve their chance to evolve and get better.

Anyways, more leagues and tourneys is always better for progaming, IMHO.

-Mynock
Manatea
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)48 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-30 22:46:46
March 30 2007 22:46 GMT
#10
Koreans(and probably TL.net members) have just heard OGN/MBCgame's commentaries for long a time, so it's quite frustrating to listen to Superfight's chobo commentary.
I agree they can be improved, but I doubt how much they can accomplish.
OGN/MBCgame's commentators are on TV almost every day on-season, so they have a lot of time to practice commentating. Think that TheMarine have learned fast about commentating because he could be on TV every day.
but Superfight is held every month, they don't have enough chance to practice skill
If CJ media really want to bring them up as good commentators, CJ should make some leagues(amateur, women, university or whatever) and let them commentate often and often.

But, I like Superfight, They've been showing us special matches(with money) that we can't often watch.
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
March 30 2007 22:59 GMT
#11
It was ok, and I want it to continue but fix the commentators.

Btw, multi obs !! yes!!
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
March 31 2007 00:03 GMT
#12
What do you guys think of my suggestion?
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
March 31 2007 00:43 GMT
#13
If the question would be like "Do you glad about superfight5 broadcasting level" I would have answered "No". But in That Poll i don't see how can I aswer something rather than "Yes".

Vin[MBL], watch for 3 days how commentators are sleeping? Nah... too painfull =]
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
March 31 2007 01:18 GMT
#14
Well you can't blame the commentary. The guy on the left is obviously narcileptic.
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Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
March 31 2007 01:21 GMT
#15
I also want an observer who doesnt miss battles. I spent all night tonight hearing sound effects that were off the screen.

Twice I tried to move the screen.. once by clicking on the minimap and once by moving my mouse to the edge of the screen. It didn't work.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
March 31 2007 01:36 GMT
#16
Their incompetence started in game 1...

2 Starports, both having an addon being built and they went on and on and on talking about "cloaking wraith", while it was so so god damn obvious that they had to have missed the armory, since no one builds 2 addons for wraiths..., so yeah I was sitting there thinking "would you morons please realise he is going valks?"...
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
March 31 2007 01:47 GMT
#17
it's a fun idea
Aurious
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1772 Posts
March 31 2007 02:09 GMT
#18
Commentators were bad games were fun as hell.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
March 31 2007 03:08 GMT
#19
I like that we get to see some matches we just die of curiosity to see.

Like Savior vs Nal_ra
Midas vs Savior
Boxer vs Yellow
are always classics

Im sure a lot of people wonder who would win between Jaedong and NaDa lets say, or two other players who havent faced each other on starleagues.

I think SuperFights are nice on their own way. Anything that helps Starcraft grow is welcome.
But the event does lack some depth. Its overly simplistic, and happens very fast. I was expecting to see a lot of more games (each player facing 6 opponent), elimination process... etc.
Id a zerg had won over a protoss we d have ahd a tie break of 3-3 between all races and thats a weak sample, imo

But well, the bottom line is that it is entertaining, and we get to see the very best players fighting ^^
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
March 31 2007 03:15 GMT
#20
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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
March 31 2007 03:29 GMT
#21
yeah the worst part is how easy it would probably be to find people who are better commentators, or at least observers! i remember the babara starleague guy on afreeca back in the day was pretty good.

but yeah it was pretty frustrating at times, like hearing the tank drop sounds in nal_ra vs midas while the observers were looking at nothingness. or i think one of nada's tanks had like 10+ kills in nada vs bisu, but it was hard to read, so i might've been mistaken. if it was OGN/MBC though, i would've known by whether the commentators flipped out or not

the rotating booths to reveal who they chose was a good idea, but could've been refined for more excitement. the commentators announced it in a pretty bland way usually before i could tell who it was from the video. zooming in on the player, with like fireworks and a highlight/intro video playing in the background would've kicked ass.

despite those complaints, the experience as a whole was awesome, because of the quality of the games and what i thought was an exciting format
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
March 31 2007 04:04 GMT
#22
I liked the presentation. I have no clue what the commentators are saying ever so i was pretty impartial to that.

HOWEVER!!! THE FUCKING OBSERVER NEEDS TO BE SHOT!!!!!
He missed soooo much shit. A nexus at an expo had finished and had probes maynarding before he even scanned it. They kept the camera constantly focused on the "front line" action and then all of a sudden i was like "wtf, arbiter? where did that come from".

Also, i want more Dungeon Fighter, BOUNCING EYEBALLS FTW!!!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-31 05:53:15
March 31 2007 05:31 GMT
#23
i dont think the commentary would matter if i do not care about it. these are free formatted and hyped up events, wiht good games and names people actually want to see. they are fun. things like bad observers are really not decisive or even much of an issue in regard to the excitement and energy in the matches. look at the live report threads, it was a well received event.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
March 31 2007 05:39 GMT
#24
lol how can you not like it! :p
I <3 the left commentator.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 31 2007 05:49 GMT
#25
hahhahaa that guy had amazing facial expressions. like 'wtf is this shit'
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
March 31 2007 05:50 GMT
#26
I totally agree with rinizim's post. The commentators don't bother me really because I don't understand Korean so that's fine. The observer isn't very good though, he missed a lot of things that had to be seen. Overall I love the SuperFights and the way they are organised, music, flashy effects, fancy intros, spinning booths etc makes it really special IMO. I might add something more to this post later I'm really hungry right now.
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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
March 31 2007 06:37 GMT
#27
In the beginning I was hoping for a more of a monthly grudge match between two rivals. But they keep trying to make Superfight into something big and grander than it should be. I say keep it but follow some great advice.

Keep it simple, stupid.
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Silverflame
Profile Joined August 2006
United States428 Posts
March 31 2007 07:16 GMT
#28
Yea, the Superfights would be better if they weren't so ambitious. Nine games in one night in a row... is just too much. The OSL's old 24 man format with six games a night was already pushing it. Especially since there was so little downtime between matches, which was nice for us viewers, but probably tired the already inexperienced commentators out... the players probably got tired too, which was why the last round was so lame.
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
March 31 2007 07:25 GMT
#29
The fifth superfight was a bit disappointing, but it gave me something to watch at least. Since the season's over, there hasn't been any good matches to watch. I would vote a mixture of the two options you gave me. "Yes (they should continue), but they also have been disappointing."
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
March 31 2007 07:53 GMT
#30
well of course they should continue.
Better with bad commentators than no superfight at all
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 31 2007 07:55 GMT
#31
On March 31 2007 07:46 Manatea wrote:
If CJ media really want to bring them up as good commentators, CJ should make some leagues(amateur, women, university or whatever) and let them commentate often and often.

University Star League FTW!

It was very sad when none of the commentators laughed at a joke that one of them made.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
March 31 2007 14:04 GMT
#32
On March 31 2007 10:21 Kau wrote:
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I also want an observer who doesnt miss battles. I spent all night tonight hearing sound effects that were off the screen.

Twice I tried to move the screen.. once by clicking on the minimap and once by moving my mouse to the edge of the screen. It didn't work.


Happened to me too. Tried AGAIN watching the recorded VOD.
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t soprano
Profile Joined March 2007
54 Posts
March 31 2007 17:26 GMT
#33
I'm sort of conflicted. I enjoy watching the best play whenever possible but..the allure of Superfight has sort of dissipated for me with the fact that they have one so often. To me watching progamers is about the quality of the games, not so much the quantity. And with all the preparation they put into starleagues, they usually produce amazing games. Plus the hype behind them makes it 10x more exciting. For me superfight is like a glorified exibition with some good games thrown in, but I don't especially look forward to it. I remember when they had the first one Boxer was in, I was so excited and thought about it days before hand. Now it's like..'another superfight?' eh, ok. I'll watch
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-01 00:26:37
April 01 2007 00:26 GMT
#34
On April 01 2007 02:26 t soprano wrote:
I'm sort of conflicted. I enjoy watching the best play whenever possible but..the allure of Superfight has sort of dissipated for me with the fact that they have one so often. To me watching progamers is about the quality of the games, not so much the quantity. And with all the preparation they put into starleagues, they usually produce amazing games. Plus the hype behind them makes it 10x more exciting. For me superfight is like a glorified exibition with some good games thrown in, but I don't especially look forward to it. I remember when they had the first one Boxer was in, I was so excited and thought about it days before hand. Now it's like..'another superfight?' eh, ok. I'll watch
oh please, if they had boxer in there you'd be drooling. There is nothing wrong with being a fan or a fanboy
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t soprano
Profile Joined March 2007
54 Posts
April 01 2007 05:51 GMT
#35
On April 01 2007 09:26 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2007 02:26 t soprano wrote:
I'm sort of conflicted. I enjoy watching the best play whenever possible but..the allure of Superfight has sort of dissipated for me with the fact that they have one so often. To me watching progamers is about the quality of the games, not so much the quantity. And with all the preparation they put into starleagues, they usually produce amazing games. Plus the hype behind them makes it 10x more exciting. For me superfight is like a glorified exibition with some good games thrown in, but I don't especially look forward to it. I remember when they had the first one Boxer was in, I was so excited and thought about it days before hand. Now it's like..'another superfight?' eh, ok. I'll watch
oh please, if they had boxer in there you'd be drooling. There is nothing wrong with being a fan or a fanboy
Thing is, I'm a fanboy of Savior almost as much as Boxer yet I still didn't care much about this superfight. Just my opinion on it, I didn't say everyone shares my feelings
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
April 19 2007 08:35 GMT
#36
great games, but OGN commentators would be = kthx
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