WCSWhat is the least entertaining match-up to watch?
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dmtran87
United States32 Posts
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Araneae
Norway100 Posts
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines2001 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:17 Araneae wrote: I don't get why people hate zvz so much o.O I like it how it is now, both playing and watching, alot more fun than roach infestor vs roach infestor imo It's a LOT better than before but it's still the worst for me. | ||
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Fus
Sweden1104 Posts
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SiegeFlank
United States408 Posts
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porkRaven
United States936 Posts
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Havefaith
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They should disable colossus for this match up. | ||
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IamHobbyless
Germany29 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1448 Posts
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dirtydurb82
United States175 Posts
ZvP is probably the best HotS matchup right now, Super fun! | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25017 Posts
I guess ZvZ, yes  | ||
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Pachacutec
Peru53 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:28 Havefaith wrote: PvP... They should disable colossus for this match up. im with you, at least SG openings arent a huge gable anymore, but still, if i dont scout for like 1 min for any reason and my oponen goes for 2 robo on 2 bases im fucked up, how the hell i stop herp derp 5+ colos -.-  | ||
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iViNtaGe
United States254 Posts
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chuky500
France472 Posts
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Frankenberry
Denmark297 Posts
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Waxangel
United States27921 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3300 Posts
I still like lings versus banes. Time warps, not so much. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8471 Posts
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asdfOu
United States2086 Posts
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Splunge
Germany924 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6789 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:12 Hall0wed wrote: Surprised that people agree with me that TvZ is the worst non-mirror at the moment (and most boring matchup overall, as I voted). We aren't seeing much diversity in the matchup right now and idk I just don't find it that great. I still enjoy watching it but overall I do find it the worst to watch right now. Let me guess, you play protoss? I thought it was "most entertaining" and voted TvZ... I think others have made the same mistake. | ||
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)8983 Posts
It used to be PvP for me but ZvZ these days has me closing streams. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8471 Posts
On May 10 2013 11:14 Bagi wrote: Let me guess, you play protoss? I thought it was "most entertaining" and voted TvZ... I think others have made the same mistake. I don't see how that has anything to do with it when I think like ZvZ and TvT more than TvZ right now. And I liked TvZ more in the past too. It can still give great games but the current state of it already feels stale to me. And I think people should take a bit more time to read in the future if that is the case. | ||
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Sharpen
United States4 Posts
I can't understand anyone thinking this matchup is good at all... I'm suprised it didn't take more of the vote than it already has. | ||
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Waxangel
United States27921 Posts
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skylarr
Canada209 Posts
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hillman
United States162 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1044 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:47 Pachacutec wrote: im with you, at least SG openings arent a huge gable anymore, but still, if i dont scout for like 1 min for any reason and my oponen goes for 2 robo on 2 bases im fucked up, how the hell i stop herp derp 5+ colos -.- You're kidding, right? Mass Colo builds should be ezpz, especially if you're opening Stargate. Learn the power of the Void Ray + Immo composition. | ||
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Lalyth
Canada5 Posts
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Lovedoll
Japan539 Posts
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SolarJto
United States257 Posts
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doner0
United States204 Posts
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1901 Posts
I voted for the most entertaining. Darn. | ||
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Swiipii
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Leporello
United States2799 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines502 Posts
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Trollfar
Sweden20 Posts
ofc this is a vote for watching. But still i like all other matchup much better to watch.  creep tumor is a double edged sword xD | ||
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dNa
Germany589 Posts
I for one voted ZvZ, because it simply is the least entertaining match at the moment, in all fairness though, i still think it's less awful than in WoL... ZvP was the least entertaining thing for me in WoL though, which has really come a great way (maybe my opinion is slightly off on this because the last zvp i watched was between parting and life) | ||
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Atlasy
Hungary228 Posts
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igay
Australia1177 Posts
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Olli
Austria24088 Posts
Voted ZvZ too. Seen too much of it in WoL and while it's nice to get away from the horrible matchup it was, it's still not fun to watch. | ||
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Terrasmith
47 Posts
I like ZvP because it's so different from WoL, except that watching a 30 minute no rush into mass void ray tempest is almost as dull as brood lord/infestor was. ZvZ...I love the ling micro, hate mutas. Muta ZvZ is the most boring type of game to watch. | ||
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Patate
Canada433 Posts
Along with TvT, they have been the most ( only) entertaining matchups since 2010. | ||
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Inkblood
United States460 Posts
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Gene(S)is
Sweden399 Posts
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SfynX
United Kingdom83 Posts
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75
Germany3600 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:06 Patate wrote: TvZ 3rd spot? Really? Along with TvT, they have been the most ( only) entertaining matchups since 2010. many ppl missread the poll and might have polled for tvz because they like it the most. for me the worst matchup is PvP because i often dont understand whats going. ZvZ is also bad but I understand whats going on. | ||
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SkatesSC
United States191 Posts
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Terrasmith
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RoranRock
France294 Posts
it has always been PvP, but now...mutas :/ as a zerg i still prefere ZvZ to PvP but mutas vs mutas is really not enjoyable | ||
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Dvriel
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:10 Waxangel wrote: fuck i forgot people can't read LOL. that quote is signature worthy :D | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom5978 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:10 Waxangel wrote: fuck i forgot people can't read dat title choice. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2691 Posts
 But I obviously meant ZvZ. I am shocked TvZ is third. It's still the most entertaining matchup imo. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom5978 Posts
TvP and ZvP imo are the worst to watch, TvP is definitely the worst one I play. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30729 Posts
Little diversity, short, and far more volatile. Incontrol nailed it at the beginning of HotS pretty much: 16:45. Moonglade later conceded in a followup discussion :/ | ||
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Frankenberry
Denmark297 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:40 Targe wrote: Yeah, why is TvZ 3rd? it's easily the best of the 9. TvP and ZvP imo are the worst to watch, TvP is definitely the worst one I play. We only have 6 matchup's  What game are you playing? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)8983 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:40 Targe wrote: Yeah, why is TvZ 3rd? it's easily the best of the 9. People can't read | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom5978 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:52 Frankenberry wrote: We only have 6 matchup's What game are you playing?I was talking about from a player's perspective. hahaha I commented on that then completely blinded myself when I looked at TvZ being 3rd, I'm a real idiot sometimes. | ||
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Skytt
Scotland323 Posts
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Macheji
Romania103 Posts
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RampageMode
Germany3 Posts
i think ZvZ is kinda boring, because its like WoL PvP. there are just a few builds, the midgame is 99% muta v muta, and after one big engagement its mostly obvious whos going to win. the other reason could be, i am no zerg^^ | ||
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MythZero
Korea (South)102 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6765 Posts
On May 10 2013 21:48 MythZero wrote: Wait...TvZ is the 3rd least entertaining matchup? What is wrong with this community? My guess is that many zergs feel it's an imba match-up, they voted it as a protest ._, | ||
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Radicalness
United States271 Posts
But PvP is just too predictable with all that one-base action. Hard choice between PvP and ZvZ though but I've seen some amazing matches from every combination. | ||
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tl2212
Belize652 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:10 Waxangel wrote: fuck i forgot people can't read CRITICAL ERROR | ||
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Ortz
United States4 Posts
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Igaryu85
Germany195 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States1965 Posts
That said, Z v Z games with hyper aggro builds can be fun to watch. Ling bane wars can be interesting if both players are on the same page and both have solid micro. The high drone count style is just boring as hell in that match up. | ||
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ynori
Australia20 Posts
the only thing that can make this matchup entertaining is to replace all zerg unit models with MLPs... and add rainbows | ||
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Foxyshazam
United States34 Posts
Unreal how many people failed at reading comprehension ... | ||
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Kfcnoob
United States296 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom5978 Posts
On May 10 2013 21:57 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: My guess is that many zergs feel it's an imba match-up, they voted it as a protest ._, It was people misreading it as fav. matchup, not least fav. | ||
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LennoxPM
Lithuania84 Posts
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DifuntO
Greece2374 Posts
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Jerom
Netherlands573 Posts
55% ZvZ 25% PvP 10% TvT 10% rest of the match ups Conclusion: Mirrors suck | ||
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joquinn
Canada14 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:47 asdfOu wrote: how can anyone even vote tvp!!!!?!!??!?!??!?! Because if the Protoss plays it right and denies harassment and the Terran plays smart and doesn't over extend into a well defended P the match up can turn into a no action 15 minute maxed vs maxed fight which just ends the game... It definitely can be exciting but it can also be boring as hell and very anti climatic. | ||
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joquinn
Canada14 Posts
On May 10 2013 15:57 DarkLordOlli wrote: I love how people were hating on all the PvX matchups in WoL and now PvT and PvZ are apparently the most entertaining. Voted ZvZ too. Seen too much of it in WoL and while it's nice to get away from the horrible matchup it was, it's still not fun to watch. Considering that a good amount of people mistook the poll for most entertaining I have my doubts that those are the actual favourite match ups. | ||
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Leetley
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On May 10 2013 07:49 SwatRaven wrote: Crap I misread it as the most interesting MU Same here... | ||
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sevia
United States953 Posts
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InSpiReZerG
United States159 Posts
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BlackPride
United States176 Posts
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Frankenberry
Denmark297 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States1965 Posts
On May 11 2013 02:03 Frankenberry wrote: Okay even though some people misread the tread, TvZ is currently more unpopular than TvT in this poll. I seriously don't get it. It has always been my favorite matchup. Could someone put into words, what wrong with TvZ, cause I am totally baffled x)? Thanks in advance The only explanation is people misread the title -_- It was the best MU in BW, WoL, and also in HoTS. | ||
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Madars
Latvia161 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:28 Havefaith wrote: PvP... They should disable colossus for this match up. just go mass phoenix every PvP | ||
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RevTiberius
Canada353 Posts
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habeck
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Riquiz
Netherlands380 Posts
The larva mechanic makes for stupid situations where one zerg saves up one round of larva and then just kills his opponent. It also suffers from both players(races) being reliant on massing a huge amount of units, the same units. It almost makes you wish blizzard would either implement a similar system to C&C Generals, where factions had sub-factions in the form of generals. These generals specialised in certain tech routes and would enhance them. Or make you able to be a race-picker in the ladder system. Hey, let me dream ok? ZvZ is probably as good as it can be as soon as people find out how to not go mutas 10/10 times. | ||
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Cable
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On May 10 2013 11:14 Splunge wrote: lol i thought most entertaining xD voted zvp Me too. I bet half of the people actually voting on this particular poll thought it was the "the most entertaining". | ||
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FastAce
Bosnia-Herzegovina22 Posts
But yea, ZvZ is so boring. It always ling/bane intro mutalisk nowadays. | ||
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Buddy168
United States156 Posts
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tili
United States1315 Posts
ZvZ is so deliciously mechanics/decision making dependent, and so, so active. It's actually one of my favorite match ups. | ||
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Ammoth
Sweden389 Posts
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rift
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perhaps write MOST in caps | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
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KookyMonster
United States309 Posts
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Kpaxlol
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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
But ever since BW, TvT has been the only match-up that I cant watch, so it got my vote. | ||
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andrewlt
United States6793 Posts
On May 10 2013 13:13 Waxangel wrote: THIS IS WHY YOU FAIL AT STANDARDIZED TESTING This community looks like it has a lot of very young people who haven't taken their SATs yet, much less prepared for them. | ||
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Sunshinewalker
Germany32 Posts
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synapse
China8816 Posts
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Greenei
Germany1740 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3382 Posts
ZvZ is really the only mu that got worse in HotS! | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1437 Posts
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jekku
Canada1640 Posts
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1206 Posts
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Emzeeshady
Canada4202 Posts
On May 11 2013 09:31 synapse wrote: who voted tvz... wtf Me I thought it said most entertaining TT | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3230 Posts
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Waxangel
United States27921 Posts
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Exempt.
United States418 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:47 asdfOu wrote: how can anyone even vote tvp!!!!?!!??!?!??!?! TvP is my least favorite matchup of all time. It's been marine marauer medivac against herp derp swap between collossus / ht and terran swapping between viking / ghost. It's extremely stupid just watching mmm stim kiting against a deathball 10 minutes straight with drops and dozens of marauder shots just to kill a SINGLE zealot. But I'm in the minority apparently... I consider the three protoss matchups the most boring: PvT, PvP, then PvZ, then ZvZ. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4196 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1094 Posts
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
It's kinda surprising how PvZ went from being the most reviled matchup by far at the end of WoL to becoming now the second favourite matchup among fans. Kudos to Blizzard for fixing that matchup! ZvZ is still the worst, but now it's kinda worst by default. It's better than it used to be, but still not as good as the other 5. Roach Infestor is dead...but now we have endless Muta wars. The Mothership Core and specifically Photon Overcharge really fixed the volatility of the PvP matchup, but Blizzard is understandably having a hard time making ZvZ more stable and varied without messing up the other matchups. | ||
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Nagas
Lithuania19 Posts
On May 10 2013 11:14 Splunge wrote: lol i thought most entertaining xD voted zvp same here..damn it!!! zvz is worst for sure, best zvt for me. | ||
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:49 SwatRaven wrote: Crap I misread it as the most interesting MU On May 10 2013 08:45 KadaverBB wrote: Oh I thought the poll said most entertaining, not least. I guess ZvZ, yes On May 10 2013 11:14 Bagi wrote: I thought it was "most entertaining" and voted TvZ... I think others have made the same mistake. On May 10 2013 11:14 Splunge wrote: lol i thought most entertaining xD voted zvp On May 10 2013 14:34 DidYuhim wrote: oh shit, I didn't read it right...I voted for the most entertaining. Darn. On May 10 2013 14:44 SamirDuran wrote: oh shit i misread the poll and answered TvZ.. lol On May 10 2013 16:09 Inkblood wrote: Damn, I misread the question. (I must be too tired.) For some reason I thought it asked which is the most entertaining match-up. On May 10 2013 19:36 yoshi245 wrote: I accidentally voted TvZ since I misread the least as most. Oops On May 10 2013 21:02 Macheji wrote: Oh noes. I voted tvz ( Tho I am protoss ) as I read " most entertaining" . When i saw the results i started laughing while thinking : " So many trolls". On May 11 2013 01:38 Leetley wrote: Same here... On May 11 2013 03:11 Cable wrote: Me too. I bet half of the people actually voting on this particular poll thought it was the "the most entertaining". On May 11 2013 04:43 Ammoth wrote: Meh, read it wrong and voted for the best matchup On May 11 2013 12:08 Emzeeshady wrote: Me, I thought it said most entertaining TT On May 11 2013 16:59 Nagas wrote: same here..damn it!!! zvz is worst for sure, best zvt for me. Wow Wax why did you create such a confusing poll? "Least Entertaining"? That is some M.C. Escher drawing, Foucauldian jargon, Borgesian labyrinth shit, man. Why would you put a negative modifier on a positive adjective? Who do you think you're writing for, Linguistics PhD students? Next time just write it in plain fucking english: "WHHAT MATCHUP BAD BAD ( ) WATCH???". | ||
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Kittan
Poland2065 Posts
Do they stay on mutas and speedlings? Then usually ZvZ unless 4pool is involved. | ||
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Chimo
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Kasaraki
Denmark7020 Posts
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3025 Posts
On May 10 2013 11:14 Splunge wrote: lol i thought most entertaining xD voted zvp Me to - and I voted ZvZ o_O | ||
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Lorch
Germany3479 Posts
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Nimix
France1792 Posts
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nakam
Sweden244 Posts
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Luftmensch
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mycro
Sweden1186 Posts
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CatNzHat
United States1468 Posts
Seriously, I did a double take, assumed it was a favorite matchup to watch poll, almost voted TvZ Not sure what it is, but TvZ has always been my favorite matchup since the beta, everything else kind of pales in comparison, TvP had it's day but it was never quite as exciting. Idra vs Bomber back a year and a half ago at MLG, those were some of the best games of sc2 that I've ever seen. | ||
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blae000
Norway1583 Posts
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Jerom
Netherlands573 Posts
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Maegi
Finland172 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1274 Posts
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nehl
Germany261 Posts
well gonna go with zvz then i guess... | ||
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PyroN
Sweden53 Posts
EDIT: May i ASK do you zerg guys also find TvZ most entertaining? | ||
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jubil
United States2396 Posts
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NET
United States702 Posts
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NotSorry
United States5951 Posts
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HolydaKing
19736 Posts
By average entertainment: TvZ > TvP > TvT > ZvZ > PvP > PvZ. Just my opinion though. | ||
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showBanquo
Sweden180 Posts
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Conny Duck
Austria90 Posts
On May 12 2013 04:26 PyroN wrote:EDIT: May i ASK do you zerg guys also find TvZ most entertaining? There is nothing more satisfying than a bunch of Banelings destroying all the opponents marines.And ZvZ sucks so hard at the moment. Rush for Mutas or die trying. | ||
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Traceback
United States464 Posts
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Befree
683 Posts
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rinzz
Bulgaria26 Posts
PvT>TvZ>ZvP>PvP>ZvZ>>>>TvT | ||
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Vindicare605
United States12006 Posts
Either people misread the question or there are a bunch of liars in this thread. No way is TvZ the least entertaining match up out there. | ||
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kiralykobra
Romania6 Posts
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Nirel
Israel1525 Posts
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Sch3lp
Belgium20 Posts
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ETisME
Hong Kong11889 Posts
at least there are some actions like ling run by and counter attack and early baneling stuff. pvp lategame is just lazerssssss | ||
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Chr15t
Denmark1102 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:23 EnumaAvalon wrote: It's a LOT better than before but it's still the worst for me. This is so true | ||
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Ireniicas
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freewareplayer
Germany403 Posts
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ooDi
Canada169 Posts
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ChaosArcher
Germany879 Posts
I actually voted for TvP I don't know why but i just hate this MU. | ||
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siax
United States36 Posts
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Bumalate
United States33 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa5205 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa5205 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:50 kiralykobra wrote: The Terran related matchups are the most entertaining still the Terran is the weakest race... i miss the GomTvT so much :-( Your first post had to be about balance T_T How is Terran the weakest race? | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
It looks like ZvT isnt very popular these days, I'm guessing its because of the widow mines (probably the worst designed unit in the history of the entire Starcraft series) | ||
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TJ31
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United States163 Posts
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docvoc
United States5326 Posts
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Devilldog
United States66 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3204 Posts
I wonder why there is even more than one choice | ||
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awesomedood
New Zealand3 Posts
:D | ||
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awesomedood
New Zealand3 Posts
:D | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Shellshock
United States95445 Posts
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Deawesome1
United States14 Posts
TvZ is the best match up period imo | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8348 Posts
I like ZvT and TvT the most, and ZvP the very least. Everything else is fine. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7141 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom29429 Posts
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
TvP and ZvP the best matchups... btw, i wish there was a button on ladder to disable mirror matchups when searching.. pvp is the reason i dont play 1v1 ladder | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
ZvZ Same dull things happen over and over, with no diviation at all. Gets boring really fast. ZvP The scale og power is way too wierd in this one, making the game end either prematurely, or in a "10 min death animation". PvP Early game feels disturbingly similar to rock paper scissors... ZvT Same linar game development in all the games. We seriously need to make swarmhost or hydras viable vs bio, and mech viable vs zerg in general. TvT Hellbat stronk yo. TvP Best mu to watch. Both can make comebacks all game through and both can make very powerfull timings. For me as a PLAYER it's in this order(top = worst mu to watch) ZvZ and TvT gets a shared #1 on this one ---- GZ you two! ZvP Feels like a clock have been set in place. Zerg needs to kill protoss before he get maxed in either carrier void ht, or tempest HT oracle. PvP Again. Rock paper scissor ZvT Takes way to long to be able to attack into terrans main. PvT fun and awesome for both parts. Except maybe few strange things in early game. | ||
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Svennedude
Belgium86 Posts
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Irre
United States634 Posts
In order from least entertaining to most: TvP ZvZ ZvP PvP TvZ TvT | ||
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SoloZergg
United States90 Posts
On May 13 2013 23:01 Zelniq wrote: how is tvz 3rd, above a mirror Some people might have accidentally voted TvZ...that's what I did, I voted way too fast without reading the full question haha. I would've voted for ZvZ though, it's the worst to watch, painful almost. | ||
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_Proto_
United States157 Posts
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Foudzing
France180 Posts
I voted ZvZ obviously, it's worst than in WoL and I did not think it was possible. | ||
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may0nnaise
United States40 Posts
TvP is the best :D. So exciting! | ||
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iloveav
Poland1435 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3012 Posts
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DerZerfetzer
Germany43 Posts
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kyriores
Greece172 Posts
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Bahajinbo
Germany488 Posts
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playlessnamer
Germany1 Post
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mGGTitan
4 Posts
While this is still entertaining, I feel like Marine+Tank TvZ like we saw in WoL was much more entertaining. TvZ is in a sense the 'classic' starcraft matchup, and tanks are a staple of that. Widow mines just make the matchup feel weird. A problem with TvZ in HotS is that, at least from the terran side, the matchup has been 'optimized'. The reaper opening is 'optimal' because it is safe and economic. The 3CC build is 'optimal' unless you spot early aggression. And long-term economic plays are 'optimal' because it's so hard to get anything done early game. PvZ We're seeing a lot more variation in this matchup now thanks to the mothership core and other new units. I think it's a lot more entertaining than its WoL counterpart. There is the danger of stalemates on maps such as Newkirk and Daybreak, but as long as we get more interesting maps into the map pool this shouldn't be a problem. TvP The best matchup, both to play and spectate. There's potential for anything to happen right from the early game, and HotS only made this better. TvT Overall I think this is an improvement from WoL. However, I feel like hellbat drops are too strong (or people need to deal with it better) and they're starting to get boring. PvP Really haven't seen many PvPs. The new tactics seem interesting but there's the risk that they can be too coin-flippy, which can be bad for both players and spectators. ZvZ At the ling/bling stage it's still pretty exciting, but when we get to mutas it's horrible. Hopefully the spore change will help with that. | ||
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thesums
Taiwan257 Posts
Personally I like TvT and TvP if they do not just end in like 7 minutes. Then comes TvZ if it goes into late game. I feel that hots is not really an improvement from wol unfortunately....it does not fix the problems: 1) Zerg is weak vs early pressures, but it gets new/upgraded units for mid-late game which they are strong enough already. As seen at the end of WoL, Zerg dominated, with 5 zerg players with highest win ratios on gom's site. 2) Protoss, known for that strong late game, and blizzard adds the tempest and better voids....I think photon overcharge is not a bad upgrade for protoss, but i think its range is overpowered.... 3) Terran became I would say the weakest race at the end of WoL I would say (although it did start out as the strongest), and have problems with the late game. That is why terrans always like to mix in some gimmicky plays and cheeses. But hots does not fix this and instead gives it more cheese-able units like widow mines, hellbats and medivac boost...... | ||
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
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kmdkt
Canada20 Posts
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WetSocks
United States733 Posts
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S1LVYR
Canada8 Posts
I can understand it being boring when you dont see the intricacies of the match. Its so beautiful but it makes me sad that so many people wont get to experience it the same way T.T | ||
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Stol
Sweden163 Posts
On May 15 2013 17:01 S1LVYR wrote: I love ZvZ.... but thats only because i have a deep understanding of the matchup. I can understand it being boring when you dont see the intricacies of the match. Its so beautiful but it makes me sad that so many people wont get to experience it the same way T.T That could really be said about any matchup .While muta wars themselves are far from stale and boring, I think that the fact that only a small part of the zerg arsenal is used time and time again is currently making the matchup as a whole rather dull and repetitive. Edit: Voted for zvz as the least entertaining . | ||
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JustPassingBy
10494 Posts
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Leberwurstbrot
Germany144 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3204 Posts
On May 15 2013 06:37 playlessnamer wrote: lol, there is nothing more boring like 2 terrans siege around and turtle everything and drop like noobs/pros... dude have you watched any TvT recently? viking-tank days are long gone. Imo, its the most dynamic of mirrors. mutawars/free units vs free units stalemate or the guy who has more colossus arent that appealing to me. but hey thats just me. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7050 Posts
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Thrill
2564 Posts
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Tempest636
United States15 Posts
Muta v Muta takes skill but is not intense as a viewer... it's usually clear who's slightly ahead and slightly behind due to ling runbys and the like, and once they both think they can fight, just one big A-Move muta flock v muta flock... game is decided in 5 seconds and in a very boring 5 seconds.... | ||
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ImAdonis
15 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:17 Araneae wrote: I don't get why people hate zvz so much o.O I like it how it is now, both playing and watching, alot more fun than roach infestor vs roach infestor imo you don't understand why zvz is the least entertaining matchup to watch? Obviously it's due to the lack of diversity one sees in that MU. zvz = muta vs muta or simply ling/bling/roach attacks.... that is currently being tried to be changed by upgraded spore dmg heheh | ||
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catabowl
United States811 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:12 Hall0wed wrote: Surprised that people agree with me that TvZ is the worst non-mirror at the moment (and most boring matchup overall, as I voted). We aren't seeing much diversity in the matchup right now and idk I just don't find it that great. I still enjoy watching it but overall I do find it the worst to watch right now. No... a lot of people just misread the question. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary4611 Posts
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DasHawk
Denmark362 Posts
And TvZ most favorite - by far, both playing and seeing. | ||
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Wertheron
France435 Posts
And there is clearly an important rivalry between T and Z players. 80% of the best games ever made were TvZ. | ||
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ForellenLord
Germany10 Posts
But I don't think ZvZ is least entertaining to watch. It's always dancing on a very small rope, always action. TvT is far more boring then ZvZ or PvP | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1412 Posts
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shell
Portugal2714 Posts
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sAzu
Iceland3 Posts
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DRob
United States30 Posts
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Szei
United States10 Posts
TvT has very interesting positional play. Lots of zone control and trying to out maneuver your opponent. ZvZ is high octane and exciting to watch. I don't like it as much as other matchups, but it's a good change of pace. PvP I'm not sure about at the moment but it's definitely better than WoL. PvT is all around good. ZvT is decent too. Way better than ZvP anyway. | ||
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Incognoto
France10189 Posts
ZvZ is played in a razor's edge and is pretty volatile, making it quite an entertaining match up to watch. | ||
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moondoggy
United States14 Posts
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GinDo
3325 Posts
TvP- Bio is retarded. Bio should be about Micro and multitasking( Like Bio TvT and TvZ), not straight-up destroying Protoss. PvP - Once the game hits Macro Mode. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2005 Posts
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Terrasmith
47 Posts
On May 19 2013 08:22 GinDo wrote: ZvP-Mass Air Blob is retarded. Swarm Hosts are also very boring. TvP- Bio is retarded. Bio should be about Micro and multitasking( Like Bio TvT and TvZ), not straight-up destroying Protoss. PvP - Once the game hits Macro Mode. Isn't bio TvP "either you hit the EMPs and your vikings kill the colossi, or you lose"? I had the impression that the Protoss usually wins a straight up fight. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States951 Posts
ZvZ is really fun for me to watch... for early game zergling/baneling micro. Late game is boring. TvT is by far my favorite (so interesting at every stage of the game!), followed by TvZ. | ||
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DwD
Sweden6903 Posts
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tns
973 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:49 SwatRaven wrote: Crap I misread it as the most interesting MU Like most of us I guess... On May 11 2013 23:24 nakam wrote: Very surprised TvZ is third. I find it by far the most entertaining matchup. On May 13 2013 23:01 Zelniq wrote: how is tvz 3rd, above a mirror On May 12 2013 03:27 Vansetsu wrote: Wow, I am shocked to see TvZ is beating out TvT as more boring of a matchup. Then again, I read the poll wrong and voted for TvZ, thinking it was one of the more exciting matchups........ :3 I guess a lot misread On May 11 2013 17:18 Gatesleeper wrote: Wow Wax why did you create such a confusing poll? "Least Entertaining"? That is some M.C. Escher drawing, Foucauldian jargon, Borgesian labyrinth shit, man. Why would you put a negative modifier on a positive adjective? Who do you think you're writing for, Linguistics PhD students? Next time just write it in plain fucking english: "WHHAT MATCHUP BAD BAD ( ) WATCH???".Edit : wow :D Haven't read your comment | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2041 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada2845 Posts
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BreakfastBurrito
United States847 Posts
Reading fail | ||
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Wampaibist
United States476 Posts
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iCheeseUcry
United States18 Posts
Most entertaining match up has always been TvZ or tvt. | ||
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom331 Posts
On May 19 2013 16:39 Terrasmith wrote: Isn't bio TvP "either you hit the EMPs and your vikings kill the colossi, or you lose"? I had the impression that the Protoss usually wins a straight up fight. Thats exactly how it is. Whoever thinks the protoss army is at a disadvantage in TvP is off the deep end stupid. A moving it and hitting T to storm will win 10 out of 10 fights. In comparison T has to manage EMP, viking flanks (Which are risky if the vikings can't kite back into dead space to avoid stalkers), bio splits to nullify splash damage, and also needs to stim throughout the engagement to make bio micro like stuttersteps effective. It can be beaten, so balance isn't an issue, but it takes a lot more from the Terran than from the Protoss to win those 200 food engagements. | ||
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ypslala
Burma544 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3609 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:49 SwatRaven wrote: Crap I misread it as the most interesting MU I was trying to troll with PvP, the poll was a step ahead | ||
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hstq
Czech Republic26 Posts
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Markam
Poland71 Posts
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Missing-No
Canada49 Posts
pvz and pvp are the most stale MUs | ||
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Aleteh
Denmark162 Posts
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Drumhead
24 Posts
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Drumhead
24 Posts
On May 20 2013 19:45 GuitarBizarre wrote: Thats exactly how it is. Whoever thinks the protoss army is at a disadvantage in TvP is off the deep end stupid. A moving it and hitting T to storm will win 10 out of 10 fights. In comparison T has to manage EMP, viking flanks (Which are risky if the vikings can't kite back into dead space to avoid stalkers), bio splits to nullify splash damage, and also needs to stim throughout the engagement to make bio micro like stuttersteps effective. It can be beaten, so balance isn't an issue, but it takes a lot more from the Terran than from the Protoss to win those 200 food engagements. pvt is the kinda matchup where if neither player can micro at all, protoss should win. But the more terran micros the more protoss has to micro back, if that makes sense at all. | ||
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RYZmooN
Canada542 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3203 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3246 Posts
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Nakwa
Sweden92 Posts
I agree! | ||
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Drake
Germany6132 Posts
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
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uT)WhistleR
Sweden95 Posts
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Grim Hatter
Poland50 Posts
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oxxo
983 Posts
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:17 Araneae wrote: I don't get why people hate zvz so much o.O I like it how it is now, both playing and watching, alot more fun than roach infestor vs roach infestor imo more like Muta vs Muta dude | ||
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plogamer
Canada3102 Posts
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kimmaz
Norway3 Posts
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MysterySC
Andorra109 Posts
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LastDance
New Zealand492 Posts
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hugoboss
11 Posts
Now, all protoss matchups are fun to watch, even pvp, I enjoy watching psionic shit... yeah I blame kespa and proleague, their protoss players are amazing. | ||
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ManicMarine
Australia388 Posts
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Nadacambia
Netherlands142 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:10 Waxangel wrote: fuck i forgot people can't read You forgot to ask the most logical question concerning matchups. | ||
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wizardidit
United States14 Posts
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Scorah
United States45 Posts
Worst match-up to watch. | ||
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ZenithM
France15945 Posts
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ChoDing
United States733 Posts
On May 10 2013 11:14 Splunge wrote: lol i thought most entertaining xD voted zvp LOL me too! i voted TvZ just cuz innovation and flash make this match up fair and exciting. if i read the question right, it would be ZvZ. -__- | ||
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ArcadeR
Germany191 Posts
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Suikakuju
Germany231 Posts
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ander
Canada403 Posts
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ViceroPrime
Kyrgyzstan2 Posts
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Calexanich
United States39 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:17 Araneae wrote: I don't get why people hate zvz so much o.O I like it how it is now, both playing and watching, alot more fun than roach infestor vs roach infestor imo yeah roach infestor got traded for muta ling good stuff | ||
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Dijego
Netherlands33 Posts
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liatis
11 Posts
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Dapapoose
United States12 Posts
On May 10 2013 10:10 Waxangel wrote: fuck i forgot people can't read I lol'd XD I had to vote ZvZ, at least in pvp there is more than 1 opening and transition. I wanna see more ZvZ Hydras. | ||
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Penguinator
United States836 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7596 Posts
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