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Who will win MLG Fall Championship?

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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
November 01 2012 17:46 GMT
#1
I'd be shocked if it wasn't a non Kespa Korean.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
November 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#2
I think if you made it

Rain
Kespa pro
Non kespa pro
Foreigner

It would be a lot better. Either Rain or non kespa pro will win.
#TheOneTrueDong
MChrome
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands201 Posts
November 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#3
I'm betting on a foreigner. Just for kicks.

Maybe a lot of people now see a chance to prove themselves because of Stephano's absence.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
November 01 2012 18:01 GMT
#4
Rain
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
xSilverx
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden76 Posts
November 01 2012 18:09 GMT
#5
GO THORZAIN!!!!!!!
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
November 01 2012 18:22 GMT
#6
I'm expecting Flash to win.
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
November 01 2012 18:33 GMT
#7
If any KeSPA pro doesn't make it, it will be very close. Flash to the finals!
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
expellist
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore7 Posts
November 01 2012 19:01 GMT
#8
The only shock would be that it is NOT a korean winning it.
Pent217
Profile Joined May 2011
United States17 Posts
November 01 2012 19:27 GMT
#9
DreamHuK.
EG HuK, MMA, CoCa, FnaticMoon
ancientemblem
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada34 Posts
November 01 2012 19:42 GMT
#10
I'm going full retard but Grubby is going to take this.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
November 01 2012 19:43 GMT
#11
lol foreigners not no chance
My religion is Starcraft
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
November 01 2012 19:51 GMT
#12
foreigners lol
why do you guys even show up?
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
November 01 2012 19:52 GMT
#13
Voted for non-Kespa Korean and I believe in Liquid! I hope foreigners do well!
eXeMarc
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands50 Posts
November 01 2012 20:25 GMT
#14
Grubby:D
We do what we must because we can!
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
November 01 2012 20:29 GMT
#15
I'm for IdrA!!
"You're the idiot, idiot. That's why your fuckin' name is Idiot." - Artosis to CSG
H2k_Abaddon
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany27 Posts
November 01 2012 20:50 GMT
#16
TheSTC or Leenock I wish those 2 guys luck
"Come on you apes! You wanna live forever ?"
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
November 01 2012 20:56 GMT
#17
like it said before if its not Rain the one of the GSL players.
TLO | MC | Taeja | MarineKing | Alicia | HerO | PartinG | Bomber | Genius | MMA | CoCa | HuK | DRG | YugiOh | MVP | Jjakji | Stardust | Snute | Scarlett
flofff
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden55 Posts
November 01 2012 21:09 GMT
#18
Nani gonna take this shizz ezpz :>
Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
November 01 2012 21:10 GMT
#19
I think if it wasn't for Scarlett then the foreigner % would be much lower.
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ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 01 2012 21:14 GMT
#20
On November 02 2012 06:10 Fatam wrote:
I think if it wasn't for Scarlett then the foreigner % would be much lower.

Not sure if serious... o.o
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Eboceixa
Profile Joined June 2011
Belgium60 Posts
November 01 2012 21:15 GMT
#21
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 01 2012 21:36 GMT
#22
On November 02 2012 06:15 Eboceixa wrote:
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.

Nah dude, the most important thing in SC2 is a players nationality, followed by his BW history. Skill doesn't matter all that much as long as you are a whining, flaming North American.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Vaalyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada16 Posts
November 01 2012 21:39 GMT
#23
I would love to see Flash just crush everyone, but realistically I think the best chance has to go to Rain or Life. Always hoping for a good performance from Grubby.
DRG is my religion.
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
November 01 2012 21:46 GMT
#24
On November 02 2012 06:36 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 06:15 Eboceixa wrote:
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.

Nah dude, the most important thing in SC2 is a players nationality, followed by his BW history. Skill doesn't matter all that much as long as you are a whining, flaming North American.


Yeah...and you're not flaming at allll...

And just in case you couldn't understand that because you're really that ignorant, that was sarcasm

But back to actually talking about Starcraft, I would love to see Taeja take this after his disappointing exit from GSL. Although I can seriously see Rain going off and taking the entire tournament with ease with how he's been playing lately.
Liquid Fighting
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
November 01 2012 22:11 GMT
#25
I want to see Rain get upset by some foreigner. That would be quite the upset. I think a non kespa korean will win though
and my axe
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 01 2012 22:11 GMT
#26
On November 02 2012 06:46 Survivor61316 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 06:36 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:15 Eboceixa wrote:
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.

Nah dude, the most important thing in SC2 is a players nationality, followed by his BW history. Skill doesn't matter all that much as long as you are a whining, flaming North American.


Yeah...and you're not flaming at allll...

And just in case you couldn't understand that because you're really that ignorant, that was sarcasm

But back to actually talking about Starcraft, I would love to see Taeja take this after his disappointing exit from GSL. Although I can seriously see Rain going off and taking the entire tournament with ease with how he's been playing lately.

Yeah and now I feel really bad, because some random guy on the internet told me I am ignorant and explained me what sarcasm is.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
AnnoyingNoob
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway18 Posts
November 01 2012 22:20 GMT
#27
IdrA and DeMusliM fighting :D :D
Marines - the hardcounter to banelings. - Idra
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
November 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#28
A Kespa player will get top 5, other 4 will be GSL players.

(in other words, Rain will get top 5)
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
November 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#29
Rain or SoO
Freezd
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States139 Posts
November 01 2012 22:50 GMT
#30
LOL @ people who voted for a foreigner
"I can't help it if I seem homophobic when the only gay people I know have pink highlights, wear hundreds of colorful bracelets and live at the local arcade playing DDR." - Youngminii
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
November 01 2012 22:54 GMT
#31
i'm gonna say NON-KeSPA Korean player,even if rain will be a big wall :D
RIP MKP
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
November 01 2012 22:57 GMT
#32
Life is in this tournament. Game over. :D
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
November 02 2012 00:10 GMT
#33
Rain is gonna do some humble pro shit and win all the way to the finals.
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
November 02 2012 00:37 GMT
#34
On November 02 2012 07:11 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 06:46 Survivor61316 wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:36 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:15 Eboceixa wrote:
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.

Nah dude, the most important thing in SC2 is a players nationality, followed by his BW history. Skill doesn't matter all that much as long as you are a whining, flaming North American.


Yeah...and you're not flaming at allll...

And just in case you couldn't understand that because you're really that ignorant, that was sarcasm

But back to actually talking about Starcraft, I would love to see Taeja take this after his disappointing exit from GSL. Although I can seriously see Rain going off and taking the entire tournament with ease with how he's been playing lately.

Yeah and now I feel really bad, because some random guy on the internet told me I am ignorant and explained me what sarcasm is.


Just pointing out how much of a hypocrite you were being, which clearly you didnt understand..cheers though
Liquid Fighting
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 02 2012 00:51 GMT
#35
Expecting a Non-KeSPA Korean to win, but hoping for Liquid`Sea
On November 02 2012 06:15 Eboceixa wrote:
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.

I've got a fantastic solution to that. If you don't care, then don't vote/comment.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
renezerg
Profile Joined May 2007
Peru186 Posts
November 02 2012 00:53 GMT
#36
Since broodwar days, Kespa pros have always won every single foreign tournament (wcg, blizzcon, etc), so I expect either Flash or Soulkey to take it all
gg
Dissonance23
Profile Joined September 2010
United States259 Posts
November 02 2012 01:20 GMT
#37
Voted foreigner...then realized Stephano is at eswc. I expect Leenock or Violet to take it.
theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
November 02 2012 01:21 GMT
#38
i have faith that we'll have a break-out foreigner performance!
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 02 2012 01:54 GMT
#39
On November 02 2012 09:37 Survivor61316 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 07:11 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:46 Survivor61316 wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:36 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:15 Eboceixa wrote:
I wish there was a "I dont care" or "The player who plays the best" option.

Nah dude, the most important thing in SC2 is a players nationality, followed by his BW history. Skill doesn't matter all that much as long as you are a whining, flaming North American.


Yeah...and you're not flaming at allll...

And just in case you couldn't understand that because you're really that ignorant, that was sarcasm

But back to actually talking about Starcraft, I would love to see Taeja take this after his disappointing exit from GSL. Although I can seriously see Rain going off and taking the entire tournament with ease with how he's been playing lately.

Yeah and now I feel really bad, because some random guy on the internet told me I am ignorant and explained me what sarcasm is.


Just pointing out how much of a hypocrite you were being, which clearly you didnt understand..cheers though

Calling me a hypocrite, even though you clearly didn't understand my entire post & complain... oh the irony.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
November 02 2012 05:03 GMT
#40
flash and rain hwaiting
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
November 02 2012 05:15 GMT
#41
I would love to see rain go all the way, had to pick non kespa korean though, so many good ones there
AhOhitzXray
Profile Joined May 2012
United States48 Posts
November 02 2012 06:18 GMT
#42
EG.IdrA.RC or LiquidTLO <3
We are made by our choices.
iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
November 02 2012 07:15 GMT
#43
It'll either be a non-kespa korean or a foreigner IMO.


Question out of total ignorance: Are kespa players even used to this format?
BearDK
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark101 Posts
November 02 2012 07:27 GMT
#44
BabyKnight fighting
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
November 02 2012 07:58 GMT
#45
NANIWA and MAJOR are the best foreigners but they can't handle KESPA players :D
youtube.com/xmungam ~~ twitch.tv/thenessman
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
November 02 2012 10:09 GMT
#46
rain will crush everyone and will not lose a single map. quote me later. ;-)
LakseWim
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands202 Posts
November 02 2012 10:33 GMT
#47
hoping nani can destroy some kespa players
NaNiwa | HerO | MC | Rain | PartinG | sOs
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 02 2012 10:53 GMT
#48
rain/flash gogogo~
:)
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
November 02 2012 11:53 GMT
#49
On November 02 2012 16:15 iEatWoofers wrote:
It'll either be a non-kespa korean or a foreigner IMO.


Question out of total ignorance: Are kespa players even used to this format?

WCG I guess even though it's far from the same as this marathon. They practice more than anyone so stamina really shouldn't be a problem for them.

Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 02 2012 12:03 GMT
#50
Rain.

I also think he won't drop a single map in the whole open bracket.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 12:07:50
November 02 2012 12:06 GMT
#51
probably gonna be taken by Flash,Rain,Taeja,Her0 or Leenock.
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
November 02 2012 12:10 GMT
#52
Life in?He will kill everyone to
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
Nakamp
Profile Joined March 2012
Czech Republic27 Posts
November 02 2012 14:45 GMT
#53
Rain or Life, voted KeSPA (Rain).
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 02 2012 14:52 GMT
#54
[LR]Seeker!

Moral victory, anyway.
NotoriousBig
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Germany301 Posts
November 02 2012 15:02 GMT
#55
i´m very excited how the kespa pros will play, but i can´t see them winning.
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
November 02 2012 15:25 GMT
#56
I didn't expect so many votes for a foreign champion
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
November 02 2012 15:33 GMT
#57
19% for foreigners? lol what? I'd be surprised if a foreigner made top 8 with how stacked this MLG is.....
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Mevious
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada150 Posts
November 02 2012 16:05 GMT
#58
Life or Rain. I voted non-KeSPA Korean due to the advantage Life has over Rain by not being in the open bracket.
#1 Jin Air Green Wings Terminator Fan
Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
November 02 2012 16:11 GMT
#59
Its going to be a KESPA pro. Just look at their results. If a non Korean had a chance it would be Stephano.
ShinigamiFlameHaze
Profile Joined October 2012
United States33 Posts
November 02 2012 16:18 GMT
#60
This MLG is going to be fun to watch and keep up with.
I believe a KESPA pro is going to take this, but I will be rooting for personal favorites. :D
Live Life Love Laugh
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
November 02 2012 16:43 GMT
#61
Flash got this guys, np.
@Munck
B1itZZ
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom70 Posts
November 02 2012 17:01 GMT
#62
Can't really see past the Kespa guys to be honest.
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
November 02 2012 17:17 GMT
#63
sorry to spoil this but it's going to be Huk.
Cydearrm
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States58 Posts
November 02 2012 17:21 GMT
#64
Not very realistic...but Grubby fighting! ^_^
The enemy's gate is down.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 02 2012 17:49 GMT
#65
flash-uuu make a legend of yourself!
Jaedong :3
Kecos
Profile Joined May 2011
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 18:26:25
November 02 2012 18:25 GMT
#66
Well she is among the best foreigners there /shrug
edit: didn't realize there were 3 pages after what I was meaning to respond to
Apsilon
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany7 Posts
November 02 2012 18:53 GMT
#67
lolololololololol rain 100%
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
November 02 2012 18:55 GMT
#68
Flash has this ezpz
mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
November 02 2012 20:01 GMT
#69
Kespa pro, just because Rain is there. Although playing in an unfamiliar tournament format might take too much of a toll on Rain. We will see.
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
November 02 2012 21:08 GMT
#70
Rain and Flash will clearly dominate!
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
November 02 2012 21:20 GMT
#71
Maybe this is the better poll:

Poll: Number of foreigners in top 20

3 or more (9)
 
35%

1 (7)
 
27%

0 (6)
 
23%

2 (4)
 
15%

26 total votes

Your vote: Number of foreigners in top 20

(Vote): 0
(Vote): 1
(Vote): 2
(Vote): 3 or more

Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 03 2012 00:23 GMT
#72
Life's got this.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Ahveest
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden4 Posts
November 03 2012 00:42 GMT
#73
Look at the MvP invitational results kespa pros owned it up.....
EmNGiantNome
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States126 Posts
November 03 2012 01:04 GMT
#74
IdrA ftw!!!!!
Interstellar
Profile Joined May 2012
Mexico67 Posts
November 03 2012 06:16 GMT
#75
Taeja!!!! I still believe!!!!!!!
El que es chingon, es chingon.
crunnchipz
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany12 Posts
November 03 2012 09:13 GMT
#76
Rain vs Flash in the Finals !
baconftw
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark45 Posts
November 03 2012 09:43 GMT
#77
No Stephano no foreigner
''Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek happiness.'' - Sean ''Day[9]'' Plott.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
November 03 2012 11:58 GMT
#78
Life is a better player than Rain.

Life is gonna take it

어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Quixotic_tv
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 12:34:52
November 03 2012 12:27 GMT
#79
Scarlett got this fo sho, no worries.

Life always finds a way.
ukman
Profile Joined May 2012
7 Posts
November 03 2012 12:48 GMT
#80
I think Rain, Flash or Life will win mlg
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Nift
Profile Joined January 2012
7 Posts
November 03 2012 15:05 GMT
#81
Go Flash!
tmtProdigy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23 Posts
November 03 2012 18:13 GMT
#82
rain looked strong in the last GSL, he won the OGN, i think right now hes the best toss out there, he's got my vote
"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
November 03 2012 20:54 GMT
#83
On November 02 2012 06:14 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 06:10 Fatam wrote:
I think if it wasn't for Scarlett then the foreigner % would be much lower.

Not sure if serious... o.o


As much as i want to agree with you, she dismantled Bomber like it was nothing. I am sooooo sad
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
MrJoKer
Profile Joined November 2011
France232 Posts
November 03 2012 21:39 GMT
#84
I would like to see a underdog win but there is Rain .
@AbeggJip
cheeprezah
Profile Joined October 2012
5 Posts
November 03 2012 22:10 GMT
#85
what is kespa ??? seriously
cheeprezah
Profile Joined October 2012
5 Posts
November 03 2012 22:12 GMT
#86
nvm .. i found out
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
November 04 2012 04:24 GMT
#87
Rooting for Flash and Rain, but think it will be Life or Leenock winning it all
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 08:21:21
November 04 2012 08:20 GMT
#88
Life - What can i say about the little dude.He may look like an alien,but he's kicking all kind of ass down there.
Life - Taeja 4-0 like a baws.I think he's favorite to take this.Flash is awesome to but...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
November 04 2012 12:54 GMT
#89
Life all the way.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
ZeBigMarn
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia30 Posts
November 04 2012 13:43 GMT
#90
Players left going into Championship Sunday -
(4) KeSPA - Soulkey, Flash, Rain, soO
(11) Non-KeSPA Korean - Taeja, Oz, Leenock, Life, Bomber, Golden, HwangSin, Daisy, Polt, Heart, viOLet
(1) Foreigner - Naniwa

Money would have to be on a NKK to win this tournament but my winner is Oz but would love to see Nani sneak a win against all odds.
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TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
November 04 2012 14:27 GMT
#91
If flash plays good, its his tourney
''you got to yolo things up to win''
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
November 04 2012 16:09 GMT
#92
On November 04 2012 05:54 Dontkillme wrote:
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On November 02 2012 06:14 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:10 Fatam wrote:
I think if it wasn't for Scarlett then the foreigner % would be much lower.

Not sure if serious... o.o


As much as i want to agree with you, she dismantled Bomber like it was nothing. I am sooooo sad


He went 1-2 against her... wouldn't call it dismantling by any means.

He just got off the plane and had been waiting to play his first match 2+ hours after it was scheduled and it was around 4 AM in Korean time for him.

He still manages to comeback from the loser's bracket to win the group? While Scarlett goes on to lose to heart then soO then Daisy.

Despite that I am also not sure if your serious.
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