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MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
September 17 2011 10:06 GMT
#101
Thorzain bring the hammer down!!
Output
Profile Joined August 2011
Latvia51 Posts
September 17 2011 10:28 GMT
#102
Voted for HuK. If he has managed to get some rest from all the traveling he can pull off big things. GSL last match went so bad mainly because he has spent more than a month flying all over the world.
Macro hard, Micro soft.
max1337
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany51 Posts
September 17 2011 10:35 GMT
#103
LoL more people think that lucifron wins this than people think Rain wins...
i can't see DRG or Rain not taking this...
KTFlash!
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 10:49:04
September 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#104
On September 17 2011 14:13 IMNotMvp wrote:
CANT BELIEBE RAIN IS LAST
he is better than lucifron, nani, thorzain....


He's not. Thorzain and Naniwa both won big tournaments. What did Rain won? His last bo5 matches were 1-3 vs IdrA and 2-3 vs Demuslim.

Lucifron was inactive for most of 2011, but when he came back he crushed best EU zergs (Nerchio/Stephano) and Mana (who has best PvT in EU now). You can't say he's worse than Rain.

I hope Lucifron wins it all ^^
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
September 17 2011 11:09 GMT
#105
Naniwa will crush it or at least he will get 2nd
BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 11:17:19
September 17 2011 11:13 GMT
#106
He's not. Thorzain and Naniwa both won big tournaments. What did Rain won? His last bo5 matches were 1-3 vs IdrA and 2-3 vs Demuslim.

Rain was in Code S for 6 seasons straight, Thorzain has so far won a single match in Code A, Naniwa has won 0. The tournament Naniwa won was the least impressive MLG with zero Koreans participating, the tournament Thorzain won only had foreigners and Koreans with high latency to the point where Goody could take down Nestea. Single matches mean very little in consistency.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 11:22:20
September 17 2011 11:19 GMT
#107
On September 17 2011 20:13 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
Show nested quote +
He's not. Thorzain and Naniwa both won big tournaments. What did Rain won? His last bo5 matches were 1-3 vs IdrA and 2-3 vs Demuslim.

Rain was in Code S for 6 seasons straight, Thorzain has so far won a single match in Code A, Naniwa has won 0. The tournament Naniwa won was the least impressive MLG with zero Koreans participating, the tournament Thorzain won only had foreigners and Koreans with high latency to the point where Goody could take down Nestea.

MC and Thorzain both played on EU server when they met. Jetlag and no korean practice was a huge deal for their preformance in code A. Rain has been in code S a bunch of season so was Inca but neither have shown deep understanding like Nani and Tzain in their matches. Rain is a lot better but he was never the top of Korean skill.

FD has a GSL win yet he is not seen as a good player. Rain has never shown the skill to be able to compete with top players in a long time.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
September 17 2011 11:26 GMT
#108
On September 17 2011 20:13 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
Show nested quote +
He's not. Thorzain and Naniwa both won big tournaments. What did Rain won? His last bo5 matches were 1-3 vs IdrA and 2-3 vs Demuslim.

Rain was in Code S for 6 seasons straight, Thorzain has so far won a single match in Code A, Naniwa has won 0. The tournament Naniwa won was the least impressive MLG with zero Koreans participating, the tournament Thorzain won only had foreigners and Koreans with high latency to the point where Goody could take down Nestea. Single matches mean very little in consistency.


Lol, are you serious? Thorzain and Naniwa participated in only ONE gsl, why are you even making this comparison? Do you think they tried to qualify for all GSL's and failed?
Also they had very little time to practice before those Code A matches.

By your logic, players like Kyrix, Choya, Anypro, Jinro, etc. are also better than Naniwa, Thorzain because they stayed in Code S for more seasons than them.
BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
September 17 2011 11:31 GMT
#109
On September 17 2011 20:26 cyclone25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 20:13 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
He's not. Thorzain and Naniwa both won big tournaments. What did Rain won? His last bo5 matches were 1-3 vs IdrA and 2-3 vs Demuslim.

Rain was in Code S for 6 seasons straight, Thorzain has so far won a single match in Code A, Naniwa has won 0. The tournament Naniwa won was the least impressive MLG with zero Koreans participating, the tournament Thorzain won only had foreigners and Koreans with high latency to the point where Goody could take down Nestea. Single matches mean very little in consistency.


Lol, are you serious? Thorzain and Naniwa participated in only ONE gsl, why are you even making this comparison? Do you think they tried to qualify for all GSL's and failed?
Also they had very little time to practice before those Code A matches.

By your logic, players like Kyrix, Choya, Anypro, Jinro, etc. are also better than Naniwa, Thorzain because they stayed in Code S for more seasons than them.

Please, use your intense reading comprehension to read the person I was quoting. He was saying "Naniwa's/Thorzain's past achievements are better than Rain's", when they clearly aren't.

And unlike any of the people you quoted, he was still in Code S, having not dropped out and still playing on par with players there, when he left. So that's, at best, a terrible comparison.
Faraday5001
Profile Joined May 2011
England51 Posts
September 17 2011 11:32 GMT
#110
this is probably the first tournament in a while in which practically any player could take it... granted that some players are more likely to do so than others
May the mass times acceleration be with you
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
September 17 2011 11:44 GMT
#111
Lucifron I BELIEVE !
DeMusliM !!!
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
September 17 2011 11:47 GMT
#112
Lucifron -
Excelle
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden200 Posts
September 17 2011 11:58 GMT
#113
Thorzain!!)
Starcraft2
FastAce
Profile Joined August 2011
Bosnia-Herzegovina22 Posts
September 17 2011 12:43 GMT
#114
I cant say who will win, but I know who wont win - Idra.

Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
September 17 2011 12:46 GMT
#115
I believe Thorzain will win this tournament after a nail biter finals against DRG!
MegaDuce
Profile Joined February 2011
United States7 Posts
September 17 2011 13:57 GMT
#116
Brain says DRG, heart says Naniwa
sdnnvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil33 Posts
September 17 2011 14:00 GMT
#117
someone Terran...
Johnzee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States216 Posts
September 17 2011 14:07 GMT
#118
This is the most broken player pool I've ever seen...
“A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.” - C.S. Lewis
PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
September 17 2011 14:54 GMT
#119
hero defo
FranzJosefI
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland22 Posts
September 17 2011 14:58 GMT
#120
I'm wondering how many votes lucifron got just for lulz.
"Truth is the most valuable thing we have - so let us economize it." - Mark Twain; Proud, but sad member of the Sad Zealot Fan Club
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