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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
June 13 2011 11:23 GMT
#181
Looks like Jaedong might fall of PR for the first time since... what, august 2007?
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
June 13 2011 11:34 GMT
#182
On June 13 2011 20:23 Cpadolf wrote:
Looks like Jaedong might fall of PR for the first time since... what, august 2007?


The month is still young, he can do it. But in case he drops it is the first time since august 2007.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
June 13 2011 12:42 GMT
#183
What a terrible time it is for a Zerg fan/Terran hater to be watching BW right now. Jaedong slumping hard, Flash looking invincible once more... this is so depressing. Maybe EffOrt can make a strong comeback once he can play again.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 13:32:01
June 13 2011 13:31 GMT
#184
On June 13 2011 20:34 jaQi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 20:23 Cpadolf wrote:
Looks like Jaedong might fall of PR for the first time since... what, august 2007?


The month is still young, he can do it. But in case he drops it is the first time since august 2007.


He is now on 5 games losing streak... I wonder when was the last time that happened to him. I seriously can't remember. And he dropped below 2200 for the first time in ages.

I hope he will bounce back but in his current form he might not fit into PR :O
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 13 2011 13:43 GMT
#185
On June 13 2011 22:31 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 20:34 jaQi wrote:
On June 13 2011 20:23 Cpadolf wrote:
Looks like Jaedong might fall of PR for the first time since... what, august 2007?


The month is still young, he can do it. But in case he drops it is the first time since august 2007.


He is now on 5 games losing streak... I wonder when was the last time that happened to him. I seriously can't remember. And he dropped below 2200 for the first time in ages.

I hope he will bounce back but in his current form he might not fit into PR :O

Never.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
June 13 2011 14:12 GMT
#186
On June 13 2011 14:44 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 11:48 hacklebeast wrote:
On June 13 2011 11:16 Mortality wrote:

Giving a high place on PR to everybody who produces a win streak in PL is ridiculous.


Bisu?

Other than flash, who is producing inportant results this month? No SL this month, so the only inportant games are ace matches. Is there a guy out there who is winning a lot of them?


Except that Bisu has the highest number of wins in PL and we're nearing the end of the season. That actually IS an accomplishment worth bragging about -- not a paltry few wins racked up on one particular month. There's also his performances from the SWL playoffs and the true fact that Bisu has had bad luck recently in who he faces in tournament play. Not to mention that his actual game play is smoother than anything I've seen in any beer commercial ever. What can Best say?

Regarding results... they are ALWAYS to be taken in the context of history. Someone who does well in PL this month AND has done well in past months gets precedent over someone who has nothing to his name. The only way Best can get around that is by proving himself against strong non-Terrans or by somehow playing an extra vital role in his team's performance (but do not anticipate this happening in the shadows of Bisu and Fantasy).

Given Best's history, all we can say with any kind of certainty is that he's doing well in his best match.



He should be below Bisu, agreed.

So you are arguing either:
1) Best has had a bad history, so he needs to do a lot to prove himself and should be ranked low.
or
2)He has had a good history, so it isn't that impressive he is beating terrans, so he should be ranked low.
What?

And I still haven't heard anyone say who should be ahead of him outside of Flash Bisu Hydra. Do you want 4-loss-streak zero in the top 5, or 5-loss-streak JD (the only other people with good recent individual league records)?
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 13 2011 14:52 GMT
#187
On June 13 2011 23:12 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 14:44 Mortality wrote:
On June 13 2011 11:48 hacklebeast wrote:
On June 13 2011 11:16 Mortality wrote:

Giving a high place on PR to everybody who produces a win streak in PL is ridiculous.


Bisu?

Other than flash, who is producing inportant results this month? No SL this month, so the only inportant games are ace matches. Is there a guy out there who is winning a lot of them?


Except that Bisu has the highest number of wins in PL and we're nearing the end of the season. That actually IS an accomplishment worth bragging about -- not a paltry few wins racked up on one particular month. There's also his performances from the SWL playoffs and the true fact that Bisu has had bad luck recently in who he faces in tournament play. Not to mention that his actual game play is smoother than anything I've seen in any beer commercial ever. What can Best say?

Regarding results... they are ALWAYS to be taken in the context of history. Someone who does well in PL this month AND has done well in past months gets precedent over someone who has nothing to his name. The only way Best can get around that is by proving himself against strong non-Terrans or by somehow playing an extra vital role in his team's performance (but do not anticipate this happening in the shadows of Bisu and Fantasy).

Given Best's history, all we can say with any kind of certainty is that he's doing well in his best match.



He should be below Bisu, agreed.

So you are arguing either:
1) Best has had a bad history, so he needs to do a lot to prove himself and should be ranked low.
or
2)He has had a good history, so it isn't that impressive he is beating terrans, so he should be ranked low.
What?

And I still haven't heard anyone say who should be ahead of him outside of Flash Bisu Hydra. Do you want 4-loss-streak zero in the top 5, or 5-loss-streak JD (the only other people with good recent individual league records)?


Best was good back in like 2008. Over the last half year Best has had a horrible history. In fact, going back farther, he is 43% PvZ and 45% PvP over the past 2 years (35% PvZ over the past year!). Hardly confidence inspiring.

Zero might come out ahead of Best depending on how things go. That "4 loss streak" includes a Bo5 in the MSL final, which is hardly comparable to some random group of 3 PL games. Jaedong may actually drop since he looked incredibly shaky already last month and is 0-3 so far this month.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
June 13 2011 14:54 GMT
#188
On June 13 2011 22:43 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 22:31 Lebesgue wrote:
On June 13 2011 20:34 jaQi wrote:
On June 13 2011 20:23 Cpadolf wrote:
Looks like Jaedong might fall of PR for the first time since... what, august 2007?


The month is still young, he can do it. But in case he drops it is the first time since august 2007.


He is now on 5 games losing streak... I wonder when was the last time that happened to him. I seriously can't remember. And he dropped below 2200 for the first time in ages.

I hope he will bounce back but in his current form he might not fit into PR :O

Never.


...I thought you were just /fanboy-ing. I had no idea that was actually true. 764 games and this is the first time he's lost 5 in a row. He's only gone on a 4-loss streak like 3 times, too (I wasn't counting exactly). My mind is blown.

(And Flash's record is even more ridiculous, even though his worst streak is 6... it's at the very beginning of his career.)
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 13 2011 15:55 GMT
#189
Ya, JD is on his worst losing streak of his career, under 2200 ELO (fucking Movie is ahead of him!)... at this point he definitely drops off completely. I'm saying this as a huge JD fan who normally likes to give a lot of leniency to the (normally) S-class guys. 7-12 since he beat Flash.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
June 13 2011 16:32 GMT
#190
is soulkey becoming the strongest zerg O_O


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=647&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=4&from_day=17&to_year=2011&to_month=6&to_day=13&action=Update

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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 13 2011 17:09 GMT
#191
Write your hype, swanized.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 13 2011 19:05 GMT
#192
I'd give Jaedong a #10 spot if it were to be made right now. I think he deserves that little benefit of the doubt for years of good play.
Savior was given the same in his last month of PR. I think Jaedong deserves a final chance.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 13 2011 19:49 GMT
#193
On June 14 2011 04:05 Lightwip wrote:
I'd give Jaedong a #10 spot if it were to be made right now. I think he deserves that little benefit of the doubt for years of good play.
Savior was given the same in his last month of PR. I think Jaedong deserves a final chance.

it really depends on who else proves to "claim" a PR spot.
You dont give a welfare 10th spot unless there really isnt anyother deserving it, (iirc that was also the case with savior?)
but otherwise I agree
In the woods, there lurks..
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 13 2011 21:00 GMT
#194
On June 14 2011 04:49 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 04:05 Lightwip wrote:
I'd give Jaedong a #10 spot if it were to be made right now. I think he deserves that little benefit of the doubt for years of good play.
Savior was given the same in his last month of PR. I think Jaedong deserves a final chance.

it really depends on who else proves to "claim" a PR spot.
You dont give a welfare 10th spot unless there really isnt anyother deserving it, (iirc that was also the case with savior?)
but otherwise I agree


This

+ I think people are kind of assuming this slump will continue given how the past couple months have gone, and given how things were looking much earlier in the year.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 22:23:45
June 13 2011 22:13 GMT
#195
On June 14 2011 04:05 Lightwip wrote:
I'd give Jaedong a #10 spot if it were to be made right now. I think he deserves that little benefit of the doubt for years of good play.
Savior was given the same in his last month of PR. I think Jaedong deserves a final chance.

He already got the benefit of the doubt last month. If the new PR were to be written today he would not place anywhere on it. Maybe in a shoutout as more of a "get better" (not even a CBNC). Fortunately for him, he's still got a couple weeks to snap out of this slump and show he's worthy of being on the June PR. His mediocre performance since his win over Reality in the MSL caused him to drop from #2 ELO to #9 (and dip under 2200 pts for the first time in ages).

The same goes for Stork tbh, who's been having a bad couple months now. Stork dropped on the ELO chart from ~#5-6 to #15, being surpassed by protoss players like Horang2, Movie and Snow, and only 3 ELO points above BeSt and Stats.

As of right now neither one is fit for a spot, but one can only hope that these slumps are only temporary.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
champignones
Profile Joined September 2008
Panama160 Posts
June 13 2011 22:28 GMT
#196
how about putting flash from 1 to ten
you shouldnt worry if everybody ignore you, you should be worry when they dont anymore.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 14 2011 02:53 GMT
#197
On June 14 2011 07:28 champignones wrote:
how about putting flash from 1 to ten


When he wins the OSL, he'll deserve that
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 14 2011 03:09 GMT
#198
On June 14 2011 11:53 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 07:28 champignones wrote:
how about putting flash from 1 to ten


When he wins the OSL, he'll deserve that


Already did that.
Remember Violet.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 14 2011 03:13 GMT
#199
On June 14 2011 12:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 11:53 Dakkas wrote:
On June 14 2011 07:28 champignones wrote:
how about putting flash from 1 to ten


When he wins the OSL, he'll deserve that


Already did that.


That OSL didn't put him above Nada's record
champignones
Profile Joined September 2008
Panama160 Posts
June 14 2011 06:36 GMT
#200
i think jaedong will the next one who break the nadas record, i mean he have tried so many times, he really deserves it. but i believe once that curse is broken , things will go wild, we will see 7 8 and 9 leagues coming from players as if it meant nothing, because sc bar has been raised to a point that the elders of sc(nada, boxer, garimto etc) didnt forseen. we are witnessing the diamond age of starcraft and we will hope it last as long as still lives in korea.
you shouldnt worry if everybody ignore you, you should be worry when they dont anymore.
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