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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 07 2011 21:26 GMT
#301
That's the thing though, no one has said the superior player will lose the game, all that's been said is that whoever wins played better in that specific game.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 07 2011 22:22 GMT
#302
If you're completely hard countered in BO but you almost manage to overcome it because the other player almost threw away a free win, is that not playing better yet losing?
Though in almost all games the winner did play better.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 07 2011 22:30 GMT
#303
Most times if you play better in the actual game you win, but not always because of luck as I mentioned earlier. There is no reason denying that there is luck in BW.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
January 07 2011 22:33 GMT
#304
Kal made many mistakes. There are games where one player displayed superior skill but still ended up losing. Leta vs Flash prime example. 1 blunder undid 20 minutes of superior play.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 08 2011 03:14 GMT
#305
On January 08 2011 00:11 Musoeun wrote:
In non-Calm news, looks like Kal really wasn't a solid #3, and Modesty should maybe have HoGiL's spot.


If Stork beats Bisu next week, Stork should just take #1 and #2 and have Bisu/Kal share #3.

Unfortunately, it seems only one protoss have played like he's actually better than Flash or Jaedong right now. Oh, how I hate the MSL for making a Ro8 Bisu v Stork...
Meh
POWEROUTAGE
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 04:03:34
January 08 2011 04:03 GMT
#306
Funny how people can act like Kal played better than modesty in game 2. Newsflash: he didn't. Watch the game and tell me with a straight face he did.

Sad how people can ignore the brilliant game Modesty played and discredit it like that

Stats. The new standard bearer of the protoss.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 08:18:12
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#307
How high on the next PR can Flash get if he keeps on playing like he did today in WL?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2231 Posts
January 08 2011 08:43 GMT
#308
On January 08 2011 17:17 Holgerius wrote:
How high on the next PR can Flash get if he keeps on playing like he did today in WL?

That high:
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 08 2011 12:22 GMT
#309
On January 06 2011 13:20 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 10:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I seriously disagree man, just because he was eliminated from both individuals doesn't merit a drop to #5.

At this point in time if you played Stork vs Flash, Bisu, or Kal, who would be favored.

I don't know what to say, a drop is deserved but to #5, =\

When Bisu was just as good as him and then lost both leagues back in the ToTM era, he was dropped to #5 too.
Maybe Flash belongs above JD, but he certainly deserves a steep drop.

that merely shows pr has never made the acquaintance of a silly little idea called sample size. it's not a reason to continue this problem.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 18:35:28
January 08 2011 18:34 GMT
#310
Flash still has a winning record against all the top 4 player, so for me Flash is still the most feared player. I mean come on, nobody believes that Bisu or Kal have a chance in a BO5 vs Flash. Stork and Jaedong have a chance to beat Flash in a BO5 but still Flash will be the favorite.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 08 2011 23:06 GMT
#311
On January 08 2011 21:22 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 13:20 Lightwip wrote:
On January 06 2011 10:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I seriously disagree man, just because he was eliminated from both individuals doesn't merit a drop to #5.

At this point in time if you played Stork vs Flash, Bisu, or Kal, who would be favored.

I don't know what to say, a drop is deserved but to #5, =\

When Bisu was just as good as him and then lost both leagues back in the ToTM era, he was dropped to #5 too.
Maybe Flash belongs above JD, but he certainly deserves a steep drop.

that merely shows pr has never made the acquaintance of a silly little idea called sample size. it's not a reason to continue this problem.


The problem is with Flash having been a disappointment, not with the PR. It is unreasonable to expect the PR to reward a player who flops in individual leagues, regardless of PL results. No matter what happens from here on out, Flash will not be the champion this season. Ranking him #1 last month would have been the stupidest fanboy-driven idea imaginable. Suck it up. Deal with it. Quit whining.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 09 2011 00:39 GMT
#312
Winners League should count at least as much as an individual league though, assuming Flash wins it this year too.

Bo7 (Bo5 if Stats wins a game) against a whole team > Bo5 against a single opponent.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 02:29:56
January 09 2011 02:29 GMT
#313
On January 08 2011 21:22 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 13:20 Lightwip wrote:
On January 06 2011 10:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I seriously disagree man, just because he was eliminated from both individuals doesn't merit a drop to #5.

At this point in time if you played Stork vs Flash, Bisu, or Kal, who would be favored.

I don't know what to say, a drop is deserved but to #5, =\

When Bisu was just as good as him and then lost both leagues back in the ToTM era, he was dropped to #5 too.
Maybe Flash belongs above JD, but he certainly deserves a steep drop.

that merely shows pr has never made the acquaintance of a silly little idea called sample size. it's not a reason to continue this problem.


If you want sample size, check the Kespa ranking. There's a reason why the PR is made so that it gauges something different from existing "stat-based rankings". There's the PR, elo, and kespa rankings. All with different standards of measurements. Just freaking choose your own one that reflects best on your favorite player, and bask in his glory. This way Fantasy fans can talk about his awesomeness as the 3rd best player in the world.

Also, Not sure why you mention sample size. It only takes 10 wins to win the OSL if you're seed into Ro16, or 12 if you're seeded in the Ro36. These are tournament-style elimination matches.

On January 09 2011 09:39 okum wrote:
Winners League should count at least as much as an individual league though, assuming Flash wins it this year too.

Bo7 (Bo5 if Stats wins a game) against a whole team > Bo5 against a single opponent.



So you believe Flash's 3-kill of SKT1 is more impressive than any of his Bo5s in the past OSL/MSL finals/semi-finals... interesting. Not sure how one would reach such a conclusion, but interesting nonetheless.
Meh
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 09 2011 02:41 GMT
#314
On January 09 2011 11:29 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:39 okum wrote:
Winners League should count at least as much as an individual league though, assuming Flash wins it this year too.

Bo7 (Bo5 if Stats wins a game) against a whole team > Bo5 against a single opponent.



So you believe Flash's 3-kill of SKT1 is more impressive than any of his Bo5s in the past OSL/MSL finals/semi-finals... interesting. Not sure how one would reach such a conclusion, but interesting nonetheless.

If not this 3-kill, then the all-kill last year that had Best in it as well, sure!

Except his series against Jaedong. Jaedong counts as a one-man team or more too. But at most one player has a chance to prove himself superior to Flash in this regard by winning a Bo5 against Jaedong this season.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2011 07:21 GMT
#315
On January 09 2011 11:41 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 11:29 baubo wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:39 okum wrote:
Winners League should count at least as much as an individual league though, assuming Flash wins it this year too.

Bo7 (Bo5 if Stats wins a game) against a whole team > Bo5 against a single opponent.



So you believe Flash's 3-kill of SKT1 is more impressive than any of his Bo5s in the past OSL/MSL finals/semi-finals... interesting. Not sure how one would reach such a conclusion, but interesting nonetheless.

If not this 3-kill, then the all-kill last year that had Best in it as well, sure!

Except his series against Jaedong. Jaedong counts as a one-man team or more too. But at most one player has a chance to prove himself superior to Flash in this regard by winning a Bo5 against Jaedong this season.

I totally disagree. Mayve a win over SKT could come close to a Bo5 against a decent opponent, but come on, winning against Oz in WL is about as hard as beating JD in a Bo1. Maybe a little worse, but not much.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
January 09 2011 08:08 GMT
#316
I can't agree with this power rank, A few random losses doesn't deserve to bring him down to 5th, 3rd at worst. No one would bet on Kal in a bo5 against flash. Hell, no one would bet on a bo5 against flash. He is still undoubtedly the best player on earth.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 09 2011 08:58 GMT
#317
On January 09 2011 17:08 maneatingshoe wrote:
I can't agree with this power rank, A few random losses doesn't deserve to bring him down to 5th, 3rd at worst. No one would bet on Kal in a bo5 against flash. Hell, no one would bet on a bo5 against flash. He is still undoubtedly the best player on earth.

The thing is that he didnt show it and dropped out of both leagues.

Then you dont deserve top 4 imo, okay if he allkils 3-4 times maybe but thats not gonna happend.
In the woods, there lurks..
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 09 2011 09:19 GMT
#318
If Flash All kills like 3 teams the same way Light did last WL, he'll probably get similar recognition. #3 behind the 2 frontrunners in the individuals leagues. That's ONLY if he does something similar to what he did to SKT on a regular basis.
Remember Violet.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 11:05:32
January 09 2011 11:04 GMT
#319
progamers care for proleague more then individual leagues..

So if somene wins OSL but fails MSL and proleague , another one wins MSL, fails osl and proleague, and flash for example totally dominate proleague, and fails MSL and OSL, i dont see why flash wouldnt be first..
One ring, to rule them all!
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 09 2011 13:00 GMT
#320
On January 09 2011 20:04 Samurai- wrote:
progamers care for proleague more then individual leagues..

So if somene wins OSL but fails MSL and proleague , another one wins MSL, fails osl and proleague, and flash for example totally dominate proleague, and fails MSL and OSL, i dont see why flash wouldnt be first..

Because we all know the claim by by various Aclass and above players that proleague is more important to than individual league is not entirely true. Can you imagine the social backlash Flash or Jaedong would recieve if they said they didnt care very much for the team as long as they kept winning titles on their own?

I'm not going to accuse any players of lying but life is also a game and to be sucessful at 'life' in most cultures an expression of selflessness is desired rather than one of selfishness.
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