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iLoveLulu
Profile Joined August 2004
Venezuela457 Posts
August 16 2004 10:18 GMT
#121
Germany/Poland/Sweden/Canada
Go to: Op NoLT, Op ToT) All in Europe ;D!
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
August 16 2004 13:44 GMT
#122
The strongest outside korea is Germany. But i voted for Australia for the sake of it
sy_nic
Profile Joined August 2004
China2 Posts
August 16 2004 14:06 GMT
#123
Organize a "National Team League" and vote.
A.KidMaN
Profile Joined September 2003
Poland37 Posts
August 16 2004 14:57 GMT
#124
Blackman is far better that Mondragon cuz Mondi just , " just " winning vs players and blackman are destroying them totally . I saw few games of blackman some days ago and i can tale only 1 thing . U dont know a shit ^ ^

Pj > blackman ?

Last time blackman > pj 2-0 in a very 1 side games

I dunno whitch nation is better pol or ger but bot have very strong players ...

If i remember good blackman destroyed zvt Oddysay on terran map Hall of Valhalla and went 3rd WCG

What have done Pj ? t_T
I`m the best there is . Im the best there was and i`m the best there EVER will be !
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
August 16 2004 16:13 GMT
#125
can anyone put a link to some games of blackman? the recent ones in 2004 please.
jay
Profile Joined June 2004
China15 Posts
August 16 2004 16:17 GMT
#126
i hope a nation battle
poland vs china
there is no cow level
Star.Blue
Profile Joined August 2004
China1 Post
August 16 2004 16:25 GMT
#127
It's need some nation games Just like WEG(China vs korea) to say which one is played pretty~
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
August 16 2004 17:16 GMT
#128
Mondi is destroying his opponents also ... winning ZvT on Gorky with Androide, for instance : >
BetrayaL
Profile Joined February 2003
Germany250 Posts
August 16 2004 19:33 GMT
#129
On August 16 2004 23:57 A.KidMaN wrote:

If i remember good blackman destroyed zvt Oddysay on terran map Hall of Valhalla and went 3rd WCG


if i remember good boxer destroyed tvz blackman on lost temple and went 1st wcg.

stop with that retarded "abc destroyed xyz".

you say blackman destroy his oppenents, because you only see replays of him winning. there are rarely any replays where blackman lost and thats not because he win 95% of his games.
tomson
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland641 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-16 19:47:21
August 16 2004 19:41 GMT
#130
On August 17 2004 04:33 BetrayaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2004 23:57 A.KidMaN wrote:

If i remember good blackman destroyed zvt Oddysay on terran map Hall of Valhalla and went 3rd WCG


if i remember good boxer destroyed tvz blackman on lost temple and went 1st wcg.

stop with that retarded "abc destroyed xyz".

you say blackman destroy his oppenents, because you only see replays of him winning. there are rarely any replays where blackman lost and thats not because he win 95% of his games.


That actually came out pretty bad, since Kidman gets to see Blackman play live pretty often and maybe even has replays that were never spread.

Mondragons style isn't exactly impressive. He's pretty slow, he doesn't micro/macro on an amazing level, nor does he have the multitask. But he always plays wise. He's the king of consistency. You can always count on him.
tough
Profile Joined August 2004
China1 Post
August 16 2004 19:51 GMT
#131
of crouse china!
pj won yellow.
http://yaoyuan.com/show.php?SID=29168
op_legend -->> [NC]..YelloW
I LOVE REN is pj!
it's korea can join wcg.the id is a korea friend give to him.
touNothing will be TOUGH forever But the revolutionaries.
BetrayaL
Profile Joined February 2003
Germany250 Posts
August 16 2004 20:36 GMT
#132
On August 17 2004 04:41 tomson wrote:
Mondragons style isn't exactly impressive. He's pretty slow, he doesn't micro/macro on an amazing level, nor does he have the multitask. But he always plays wise. He's the king of consistency. You can always count on him.


comparing mondragon and blackman is pointless.
most people know mondragon because of replays etc., but most people dont know blackman, because there are only a few replays. blackman rarely play tournaments or show himself to the public. on the other side mondragon proved that he is one of the best player outside korea atm. thats the difference and thats one reason why you cant compare these two players.
besides that blackman is still one of the best z players outside korea according to his 3rd place on the wcg a few years ago.
Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
August 16 2004 21:24 GMT
#133
You can hardly call Blackman one of the best just because he finished 3rd in WCG 2 years ago. If Blackman was so good he would have won Polish WCG last year instead of being knocked out in the early rounds. Also if my memory serves me the year blackman came 3rd overall wcg he used the same strat so much 1 hatch lurker...

Anyway you can't judge blackman because of one WCG where he did well. He has hardly achieved anything since then. Might aswell be worshipping fisheye for finishing 2nd
NaLeSnick
Profile Joined March 2003
Poland5 Posts
August 16 2004 21:56 GMT
#134
" he used the same strat so much 1 hatch lurker..."

rotfl =]
and Bullshit!

All knew that Blackman played the same strat on wcg 2 years ago but why only Boxer and Yellow defeated him ?
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
August 16 2004 22:03 GMT
#135
On August 16 2004 01:41 WooKasZ wrote:
POLAND GOGOGO
We have also Spawn,Draco & Pako
Maybe NuclearAntelope will tell who is good in USA? I know 2 maybe 3 players from USA;/

Time to hop aboard the clue train. I was making fun of the guy who said that poland had no good players, retard.
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
Zhyan
Profile Joined April 2004
United States23 Posts
August 16 2004 22:03 GMT
#136
There are a large number of progamers(over 20 SC Progamers, i know it shoule be "few", but its "a large number" outside Korea) in china. and there are pro-league in china, too (including 4 subjects like WEG, though that is not very large and not good enough).

don't just look at pj. he even don't qualify the "chinese national team qualification (16 progamers tournament, thats why you didn't see pj in WEG)". and in the recent DCG match after WCG, he only got the 4th prize of StarCraft(in which pku_bb got the 1st prize). China has really many good players.

i vote china not because of pj. but because of the good players and their pro-league.
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
August 16 2004 22:09 GMT
#137
On August 16 2004 16:49 BigBalls wrote:
you just got raped, youre a retard


Poland is just fucking sick.

blackman is sick, draco is sick, sys is sick, tomson is sick, raven is good and spawn is ok.

germany is fucking nasty too with mondi, fisheye, and whoever else of the 10 great players they have fills out their top 5.

Yeah there are a lot of polish people worthlessly spamming their opinions but it is pretty clear to me that these are EASILY the two best nations outside korea.

china/canada are a distant 3rd.

I think you have the right concept here, but china is better than either of them. You have: Pj, MTY, WYW, HK, HBQ, and some other 2-3 letter names that I can't think of. The thing is, if we look at the country as a WHOLE, china just has so many players. Perhaps germany or poland's best 1v1 lineup can best china, but overall china is better.
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
tomson
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland641 Posts
August 16 2004 22:31 GMT
#138
China is a bit overrated, because:

a) they're Asian
b) most people are clueless about their scene, so when they see a new name doing pretty good they're starting to think the country is full of talents

But like I said - just a bit.
xG-BlizzY
Profile Joined February 2003
Slovakia97 Posts
August 16 2004 23:48 GMT
#139
On August 17 2004 07:31 tomson wrote:
China is a bit overrated, because:

a) they're Asian
b) most people are clueless about their scene, so when they see a new name doing pretty good they're starting to think the country is full of talents

But like I said - just a bit.



i dont understand your a.) point... what does it have with BW skills ? Are also Japanese "bit overrated" cuz they are asian ?
xG-BlizzY
Profile Joined February 2003
Slovakia97 Posts
August 16 2004 23:49 GMT
#140
and if China is bit overrated then Poland is very much overrated
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