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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 08:19:56
April 24 2010 08:19 GMT
#461
Haha yeah. But I can't believe Baby lost to almost the same thing that Flash did to him, despite the Barracks scout...

But most important: Plexa being forced to #2 JD, I see no out for you to undervalue him this month
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 08:23:33
April 24 2010 08:23 GMT
#462
delete
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4721 Posts
April 24 2010 10:50 GMT
#463
On April 24 2010 05:44 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2010 02:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 23 2010 20:18 Samurai- wrote:
On April 23 2010 19:29 Fenrax wrote:
Woah. BaBy played super impressive. He nearly got FlaSh. It was the first time since I don't know when that FlaSh looked outplayed and outmultitasked, BaBy nearly came back despite Flash's huge advantage.

Strange logic, if u outplay and outmultitask someone, you win. Baby lost, and i didnt look like he outplayed flash at all, it was a much closer game, which is expected from people at this level, specialy OSL. Flash also had MSL yesterday, and his team plays tomorrow, so winning here is still ownage that only Flash can handle.


He was very far behind when he lost his base early on and also lost every position on the map. Then he fought his way back into the game even though it was not enough in the end. Nevertheless it seemed to me that Baby had much better unit control and multitasking in the midgame and lategame. I was very impressed by BaBys performance, especially because for the last million games I never felt that anyone could straight up take on Flash, they would either need a buildorder advantage (Midas, M18M), hidden bases (Stork, Hyun) or superior strategical choices (hyvaa). I wouldn't be surprised if BaBy goes 2-1 against both Movie and MvP unless his confidence is shaken.

My vote for 2nd place still goes to JD though, I think he plays much better than people give him credit for.

On April 23 2010 23:42 Holgerius wrote:
Does anyone else feel that Flash is ruining the enjoyment of watching BW with other players? After watching a game with Flash's perfection in it, I notice so many mistakes and so much bad play in everyone else's games. All I keep thinking when I watch any other player (especially Terran players) is ''Ugh, Flash would've done that so much better''. It's getting pretty annoying. >_< He's spoiling me so that I cannot fully appreciate the entertainment factor in games with players of average skill.


No, not at all. That would be like saying Maradona makes soccer boring, Michael Jordan makes basketball boring or Roger Federer makes Tennis boring. It also takes away the feeling that you watch a buildorder lottery and watch a game about skill instead.

Well, to be honest that is actually how it is for me; I don't get much enjoyment out of watching the swedish football league when I have recently watched Messi and Barcelona. It can be very entertaining in it's own right, a game of football on any level can be given the right conditions, but with the spectacle of the world's absolutely best (TOTTI!) fresh in mind it bores the fuck out of me to watch those who cannot play on nearly the same level. Who wants to see a (relatively speaking) noob get 50% of his passes wrong (and all of passes that reaches the intended target does so in knee's hight and is controlled in a less than satisfactory way) when you can watch Xavi with his surgical precision? These days I mostly tune in to games with the big teams of the big leagues.

When I watch Light get crushed by Stork's Carriers all that enters my mind is images of Flash destroying 5 bases within the span of a couple of minutes in a pre-carrier push vs Kal just days before. I automatically compare everything I see to The Ultimate Weapon, and everything seems bleach when I do so. Flash is so far ahead of everyone in terms of micro (vs Soulkeys Lurkers, holy fuck!), macro, game sense, timing and (especially) decision making (really) that it's not even funny. While his games aren't literally perfect (that would include stuff like each and every marine beng microed individually (would love to see what Data from Star Trek could accomplish playing SC )), they most certainly strike me as being exactly that compared to the other players. There are virtually no moments when you go ''That's fucking retarded'' when Flash plays (other than thinking so about the opponent). I can point out a ton of such moments recently with Sea, Light, Baby, Jaedong or basically anyone not Flash. The 10 game winning streak that he's on is seemingly effortless, he just coasts along and wins his games due to being a sooo much smarter and better than his foe. He said that he didn't prepare much for TvP for the ace match vs Free (who's fucking good now, and probably prepared a lot), but it didn't matter - he just rolled him completely anyways.

Flash is polluting the entertainment value of BW for me. I have a hard time finding joy or satisfaction when watching Great vs Fantasy (or similar) because they fail so hard in comparison the how The Special One would play. Some of the other top players can churn out awesome games enough to makes me intruiged in 50% of the games they play, but it's still far from how I felt a year ago. This is the way I see it. But I should not complain, I'm a Flash-fan. Go get the Golden Mouse already!


I am with you on this one, although not in these absolute terms. There is still 3 races in SC, and watching Flash playing incredible does not carry over to not enjoying the best zergs or protosses play, just watching other terrans is a problem for me.

My problem right now is actually that there is not one single protoss I enjoy watching, because I feel noone is really good. Kal is surely the best protoss right now, but I feel it is not that he has improved drastically but that the others have become worse or never were good in the first place. As soon as Kal faces the likes of Flash or JD, he mostly gets dominated in a cruel way or cannot translate an advantage into a win.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
April 24 2010 11:00 GMT
#464
So, once more we are going to have a completely undeserving nr 2 no matter what. Sigh Jaedong is close enough I suppose.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 24 2010 11:02 GMT
#465
#1 Flash
#2 not even close
#3Jaedong
#4 BaBy(even though he lost to flash his play has been impressive except for MVP's game)
#5 Midas(he's on a tear man)
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
April 24 2010 11:12 GMT
#466
Midas #1 in our hearts.
HitEmUp
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 24 2010 12:24 GMT
#467
I don't see how Jaedong beating hite every time makes it less impressive...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
April 24 2010 18:19 GMT
#468
Seems like Jaedong desrves 2nd spot the most, by far. Baby just failed hard against MVP. In the meantime, though Jaedong is a bit inconsistent he is still the 2nd most scary player out there. We all know he has a huge potential and once he gets his shit together he will be super scary.

The only thing I am wondering if his win vs Leta is the sign of revival in his ZvT or not...
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 25 2010 19:16 GMT
#469
On April 24 2010 21:24 StylishVODs wrote:
I don't see how Jaedong beating hite every time makes it less impressive...

Agreed. That logic is analogous to the logic, "so-and-so wins the OSL every time and therefore it isn't impressive and shouldn't weigh into their ranking". It's not like Jaedong beat Leta automatically or by some sort of jinx --- he won by playing very impressive starcraft. (Obviously beating Puma isn't the greatest accomplishment ever, but at least it was thoroughly one-sided.)
May the BeSt man win.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 26 2010 01:31 GMT
#470
On April 24 2010 16:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Jaedong beating Hite isn't pulling his shit together. Jaedong could lose both his arms in a tragic tectonic dancing accident and still beat hite.


I'm sorry for butting in on this discussion, but this made me laugh out of control. New signature, sorry moletrap I loved your quote too
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
April 26 2010 06:56 GMT
#471
Light hasn't been playing like a power rank player this month, let alone #2. 3-6, with wins over a slumping Bisu, Action, and Hoejja. His bad TvP has to be addressed before he'll be a threat in any league. Maybe he'll get a chance to salvage part of this month in the match vs. Hite, but at any rate he's dropping hard.

TLPD fun fact: Light, at #17, is the highest rated player to have a sub-2000 matchup. The top 16 have all matchups >2000.
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HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
April 26 2010 07:23 GMT
#472
Its funny, considering how everyone has been performing lately, Midas and Hyvaa almost deserve a spot solely for taking a game off of Flash (well Midas should be on here no matter what, but still).
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 26 2010 08:32 GMT
#473
On April 26 2010 16:23 HopLight wrote:
Its funny, considering how everyone has been performing lately, Midas and Hyvaa almost deserve a spot solely for taking a game off of Flash (well Midas should be on here no matter what, but still).


you're crazy if you think hyvaa deserves a spot just for beating Flash
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
April 26 2010 10:00 GMT
#474
On April 26 2010 17:32 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 16:23 HopLight wrote:
Its funny, considering how everyone has been performing lately, Midas and Hyvaa almost deserve a spot solely for taking a game off of Flash (well Midas should be on here no matter what, but still).


you're crazy if you think hyvaa deserves a spot just for beating Flash


Well, I did say almost , basically it's just that almost noone is performing.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
April 26 2010 14:51 GMT
#475
On April 26 2010 19:00 HopLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 17:32 SuperArc wrote:
On April 26 2010 16:23 HopLight wrote:
Its funny, considering how everyone has been performing lately, Midas and Hyvaa almost deserve a spot solely for taking a game off of Flash (well Midas should be on here no matter what, but still).


you're crazy if you think hyvaa deserves a spot just for beating Flash


Well, I did say almost , basically it's just that almost noone is performing.


this isn't true at all.

in terrans, obviously flash is performing; baby is faltering a bit, but still good; midas is continuing to put up great results; sea and light are certainly better than hyvaa; forgg, hiya, and mvp are still alive in starleagues; hwasin is playing better than hyvaa and nada beat him; ruby is playing well too

in protoss, kal, pure, movie, and free are in starleagues, and they're all playing pretty well at least somewhere; stork is way better than hyvaa even when faltering and shuttle has been solid

in zerg, jaedong, calm, effort, zero, and great are all still in starleagues, and kwanro beat hyvaa
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
April 26 2010 17:50 GMT
#476
On April 26 2010 23:51 o[twist] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 19:00 HopLight wrote:
On April 26 2010 17:32 SuperArc wrote:
On April 26 2010 16:23 HopLight wrote:
Its funny, considering how everyone has been performing lately, Midas and Hyvaa almost deserve a spot solely for taking a game off of Flash (well Midas should be on here no matter what, but still).


you're crazy if you think hyvaa deserves a spot just for beating Flash


Well, I did say almost , basically it's just that almost noone is performing.


this isn't true at all.

in terrans, obviously flash is performing; baby is faltering a bit, but still good; midas is continuing to put up great results; sea and light are certainly better than hyvaa; forgg, hiya, and mvp are still alive in starleagues; hwasin is playing better than hyvaa and nada beat him; ruby is playing well too

in protoss, kal, pure, movie, and free are in starleagues, and they're all playing pretty well at least somewhere; stork is way better than hyvaa even when faltering and shuttle has been solid

in zerg, jaedong, calm, effort, zero, and great are all still in starleagues, and kwanro beat hyvaa


God... give the man a break. He was obviously joking, implying that in times like these, where basically no one is worthy of #2 in the PR, the fact alone that they(hyvaa & Midas) beat Flash is almost enough to warrant a decent PR ranking. I'm pretty sure he wasn't seriously considering hyvaa or Midas for #2 in the next PR...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
April 26 2010 18:26 GMT
#477
yeah i think i was in a shitty mood when i wrote that or something

still, i don't think people are playing all that poorly right now.
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
April 26 2010 18:46 GMT
#478
Midas for #2! lol. Depending on how well he does vs Jaedong. I don't know who to root for anymore. Midas for old school, or Jaedong for competition.
HitEmUp
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 19:12:55
April 26 2010 19:12 GMT
#479
On April 27 2010 03:26 o[twist] wrote:
still, i don't think people are playing all that poorly right now.


This is true. It's so easy to feel that people are underperforming when compared to flash.

I'd really like to see Midas play well against Jaedong. I feel nostalgia for him..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
April 26 2010 21:06 GMT
#480
i think it would be fun to see a flash v. jaedong rematch in the second straight season.
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