EPTPower Rank 04/04/2010 - Page 19
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Fumi
529 Posts
On April 20 2010 01:04 SuperArc wrote: Well if baby loses to MVP he will be out of both leagues by the end of the month. I dont like putting people out of both SLs in top3... =/ But then who else is gonna be on top 3? | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
maybe that was a subtle attempt to troll for movie, but he's also down one game in the MSL and playing a superior opponent in the OSL | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:25 o[twist] wrote: there are only 3 people in both SLs, superarc. maybe that was a subtle attempt to troll for movie, but he's also down one game in the MSL and playing a superior opponent in the OSL I said out of both SLs. Meaning no MSL nor OSL, anyone still in a SL has good chances to enter top3. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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okum
France5779 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 20 2010 03:45 Holgerius wrote: You don't automatically deserve Top 3 just because you're in a Starleague. Movie is NOT Top 3 material. Kwanro got #7 when he reached the final of MSL. Strike Movie and put "Protoss" in it. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On April 20 2010 02:29 SuperArc wrote: I said out of both SLs. Meaning no MSL nor OSL, anyone still in a SL has good chances to enter top3. ahh my bad. i can kind of agree with that - if mvp and flash eliminate baby, it should probably be something like Flash Sea Jaedong Free Baby Zero Movie on the other hand, i think if baby goes 1-2 against both flash and mvp, that's something. flash isn't really losing games but one of his recent losses was a wemade terran... baby is also (right now) a clear #2 in pl at 3-0... flash is 4-0... other top players are 2-1 (free, sea, zero); 2-2 (jaedong, calm); 1-1 (movie, light); or 1-2 (kal). of course it's still ten days in the month, but i think *right now* baby is showing second-place level play | ||
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KristianJS
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On April 20 2010 03:45 Holgerius wrote: You don't automatically deserve Top 3 just because you're in a Starleague. Movie is NOT Top 3 material. Kwanro got #7 when he reached the final of MSL. He's simply saying the top 3 on a PR should probably be in at least one league, not that being in a league automatically makes you top 3. There's a difference between converse and contrapositive, try to turn off your Movie-hate blinders for a second and you'll see it.... | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
- Main Reason: No one else steps up to deserve the place - he is currently the MSL champ and also in KesPa and ELO top 2 since forever so #2 should be TAKEN from him - also his stats are really not as bad as they feel. We probably feel that way because we compare him to Flash and old JD, but actually he is 5-3 this month and 9-5 last month, both clearly over 60%, which is by no means bad. - no Zerg does overly well against Terran and in versus Protoss and vs. Zerg he is both 9-1 in his last 10! - one thing that probably keeps down his total stats under 70% is that he just does not get paired against Protoss, which is clearly what Zergs like to play most. He is on a 19 game streak vs. Zerg and Terran only, chances for such a streak are extremely low. You may call it bad timing from coaches in PL and WL, but in individual Leagues it is just bad luck. Giving a player with a bad matchup #2 might feel uncomfortable, but there is really no one that comes and takes it. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 If Baby can just stomp MVP in MSL he has a really good shot at #2. I mean, no one can blame him if he gets knocked out by Flash in OSL. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Already discussing that possibility, or do I need to get my facts straight? | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On April 20 2010 07:08 Fenrax wrote: I would still give #2 to Jaedong: - Main Reason: No one else steps up to deserve the place - he is currently the MSL champ and also in KesPa and ELO top 2 since forever so #2 should be TAKEN from him - also his stats are really not as bad as they feel. We probably feel that way because we compare him to Flash and old JD, but actually he is 5-3 this month and 9-5 last month, both clearly over 60%, which is by no means bad. - no Zerg does overly well against Terran and in versus Protoss and vs. Zerg he is both 9-1 in his last 10! - one thing that probably keeps down his total stats under 70% is that he just does not get paired against Protoss, which is clearly what Zergs like to play most. He is on a 19 game streak vs. Zerg and Terran only, chances for such a streak are extremely low. You may call it bad timing from coaches in PL and WL, but in individual Leagues it is just bad luck. Giving a player with a bad matchup #2 might feel uncomfortable, but there is really no one that comes and takes it. Seriously, I wonder when people are going to stop bringing up a questionable 3 months old MSL title as justification for the monthly Power Rank. Jaedong hasn't been performing well lately, that's a fact you gotta live with. His stats alone might not even be that bad, but have you watched his games recently? That's just not Jaedong anymore, and certainly not #2 worthy. As has been mentioned countless times, it's not the stats that count but the quality of the games that were played. Furthermore, even taking his excellent BoX reputation into account, there are some players out there(other than Flash ofc) I'd see as a serious threat to JD in a BoX. That alone speaks volumes about his current form imho. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 20 2010 08:20 Mooncat wrote: Seriously, I wonder when people are going to stop bringing up a questionable 3 months old MSL title as justification for the monthly Power Rank. Jaedong hasn't been performing well lately, that's a fact you gotta live with. His stats alone might not even be that bad, but have you watched his games recently? That's just not Jaedong anymore, and certainly not #2 worthy. As has been mentioned countless times, it's not the stats that count but the quality of the games that were played. Furthermore, even taking his excellent BoX reputation into account, there are some players out there(other than Flash ofc) I'd see as a serious threat to JD in a BoX. That alone speaks volumes about his current form imho. I didn't say the MSL title and the total dominance of JD/Flash from November to February should be the main reason to put him #2, I only say that a player has to deliver a better performance than a player who was on PR before if he wants to come out ahead. Also, at the end of the day stats are more imporant than good play. A sneaked win is far more worth than a close loss. And yes, I've seen his games. His ZvT needs a rework, but his ZvZ and his ZvP are still on top. There is just not much impressive that he can do when only paired vs. T and Z. How shall he play brilliant in ZvZ? JvZ is over because the others catched up, but he is still 9-1 there, that's all he can do. That's just not the matchup to shine. Shining in ZvT is atm very hard. It is very probable that he could show some great games in ZvP, he just does not get that matchup. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I too think his ZvP has been utterly dominant lately but he hasn't played any ZvP recently so it's really just speculating saying that he'd crush all protoss right now. For all we know he hasn't played a zvp for ages and might not be that dominant right now. I think he is, but it's just speculation and we can't really base the PR on speculation. But just using his games that he actually played, he's still a strong candidate for the #2-spot. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
2-1 vP (beat kal and free; lost to stork) 14-5 vZ (two losses to modesty, one loss each to hyvaa, zero, and effort) 5-7 vT (loss to flash, loss to light, loss to ruby, loss to darkelf, and three losses to baby) not all that great imo. im a huge jaedong fan but im not sure why you would put him ahead of sea or baby atm in april he is 5-3; that's 0-2 vT and 5-1 vZ, including a loss to baby | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 20 2010 08:11 StylishVODs wrote: Uhm is baby facing flash IF baby defeat MVP and Flash defeats Hwasin or what? Already discussing that possibility, or do I need to get my facts straight? Baby is facing Flash in OSL Ro8. Baby vs MVP and Flash vs Hwasin is MSL. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:03 Holgerius wrote: Baby is facing Flash in OSL Ro8. Baby vs MVP and Flash vs Hwasin is MSL. THnx for clearing that up to me lol;) sometimes i mix up early stages of the starleagues | ||
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