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Biggest TSL Ladder Surprise After Week One?

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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 30 2009 04:50 GMT
#1
The lack of Kolll.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
November 30 2009 04:53 GMT
#2
On November 30 2009 13:50 jalstar wrote:
The lack of Kolll.


isn't that the kid from germany who was in the wcg semifinals???
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geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
November 30 2009 05:00 GMT
#3
yosh 57-0
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
November 30 2009 05:01 GMT
#4
Shad. I knew he was in ToT but I still didn't expect him to get A-
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
November 30 2009 05:03 GMT
#5
On November 30 2009 13:53 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2009 13:50 jalstar wrote:
The lack of Kolll.


isn't that the kid from germany who was in the wcg semifinals???


yes
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
November 30 2009 05:16 GMT
#6
Shad, as I've never heard of him before
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
November 30 2009 05:28 GMT
#7
Wow, i thought shad was still on pan... Guess not, my biggest surprise was yosh
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
November 30 2009 05:39 GMT
#8
MaNa was hardly surprising he carved up in recent foreign tournaments.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
November 30 2009 05:41 GMT
#9
Yeah, Mana's performance vs Bratok had already convinced me of his skill. I'm surprised Octzerg is so high, tbh.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 05:43:05
November 30 2009 05:41 GMT
#10
I wasn't surprised about Mana- well, I was a bit surprised when he took 1st for a bit.

The real surprise is this IdrA kid. Remember that name- he seems to be pretty good.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51476 Posts
November 30 2009 05:55 GMT
#11
octzerg in top 10
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
November 30 2009 06:14 GMT
#12
On November 30 2009 14:01 JoMal wrote:
Shad. I knew he was in ToT but I still didn't expect him to get A-



Yeah i just checked and he is not on ToT) he is still on [pan].
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
November 30 2009 06:45 GMT
#13
I guess from that list.. MaNa, he's kinda bad but has a good ranking and stats. Just imo. Yosh is the biggest suprise tho, b+ undefeated so far, sick shit.
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
November 30 2009 06:48 GMT
#14
On November 30 2009 14:16 538 wrote:
Shad, as I've never heard of him before


This. I'm familiar with the other players and the fact that they're all inredibly good but I've never heard about Shad before.
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nicoaldo
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina939 Posts
November 30 2009 06:57 GMT
#15
Yosh was B+ not loosing a single game, O_O
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 30 2009 06:57 GMT
#16
On November 30 2009 13:50 jalstar wrote:
The lack of Kolll.

This.
Havent he a TSL account or is he busy with school?
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 30 2009 07:03 GMT
#17
Yosh was the biggest surprise for me. Voted Mana.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
November 30 2009 07:45 GMT
#18
Yosh
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 30 2009 07:51 GMT
#19
Praetor.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 30 2009 07:52 GMT
#20
g5 ez
Vibes
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany144 Posts
November 30 2009 07:53 GMT
#21
Why no Yosh option?

He came out of nowhere and made 57-0 B+ !!!
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Nanoo
Profile Joined March 2009
229 Posts
November 30 2009 07:55 GMT
#22
Yosh
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
November 30 2009 07:56 GMT
#23
why is yosh surprising? hes so fucking good -_-
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 30 2009 08:00 GMT
#24
my original instinct was "where's koll?" as well, but then i got to thinking.... f91 should be an option, who even expected him to be allowed to play? not me.
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FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
November 30 2009 08:01 GMT
#25
Yosh but voted g5 close second.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 08:25:58
November 30 2009 08:25 GMT
#26
Why Mana? O.o
Is really ESC member placing high in ladder something weird? Or just there's some kinda hate for Mana which i don't know of?

Sziky and Praetor surely.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
November 30 2009 08:29 GMT
#27
Voted shad cause I'd never heard of him before. That makes it a surprise.
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-visnu-
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia149 Posts
November 30 2009 08:32 GMT
#28
Strelok O_O

yosh fkn crazy <3
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
November 30 2009 08:36 GMT
#29
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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
November 30 2009 09:04 GMT
#30
i wanna vote yosh 50-0
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
November 30 2009 10:14 GMT
#31
shad....but, how can u vote Xiaozi and even dimaga?
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 30 2009 10:40 GMT
#32
Mana being at #1 shows that a majority of tl.net users is pretty dumb.
Mana being A- is nothing surprising. But did u even hear of that preator before ? I hardly know him still he's up there.Or G5 doing so well. Or szisky appering..

whateva..
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 30 2009 10:42 GMT
#33
and i forogt Octzerg.. didnt know he could reach A- e.g.

but Mana doing well ? come on.. guys.. T_T
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
November 30 2009 11:40 GMT
#34
Praetor ownz D:
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
November 30 2009 12:32 GMT
#35
OctZerg was A- in like 3 or 4 previous ICC seasons? So why is that a surprise :D
MaNa is a surprise with #1
Sziky is a surprise

Everything else is not :>
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 30 2009 13:08 GMT
#36
since I only recognize 2 names on there, i am not surprised at all.
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HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
November 30 2009 13:23 GMT
#37
yosh
but voted g5
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
November 30 2009 13:24 GMT
#38
I don't understand people that says what Yosh has done is surprising, if you had any idea of who he is you would know that he is fully capable of doing what he has done.
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midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
November 30 2009 13:51 GMT
#39
On November 30 2009 21:32 Crucifix wrote:
OctZerg was A- in like 3 or 4 previous ICC seasons? So why is that a surprise :D
MaNa is a surprise with #1
Sziky is a surprise

Everything else is not :>

maybe OctZerg because he is not dodging koreans
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
November 30 2009 13:51 GMT
#40
On November 30 2009 22:24 grobo wrote:
I don't understand people that says what Yosh has done is surprising, if you had any idea of who he is you would know that he is fully capable of doing what he has done.

But most of us don't and thats whats surprising.
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pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
November 30 2009 13:59 GMT
#41
Ye i've never seen such ownage so yosh is quite surprising, voted G5 though, he's doing really well!
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HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
November 30 2009 14:30 GMT
#42
On November 30 2009 22:24 grobo wrote:
I don't understand people that says what Yosh has done is surprising, if you had any idea of who he is you would know that he is fully capable of doing what he has done.


i have an idea who he is but didn't know he was active, didn't see him doing anything in tournaments or anything.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13046 Posts
November 30 2009 15:22 GMT
#43
octzerg has always been top on ladders he was A+ on pgtour and been contantly A-/A on Iccup without dodging koreans why is he on 2nd place lol
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PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
November 30 2009 15:35 GMT
#44
Fenix and G5
But Yosh is owning really bad
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 30 2009 15:47 GMT
#45
Xiaozi imo actually. Did not see that coming.
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TranCe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany19 Posts
November 30 2009 15:51 GMT
#46
Praetor imo
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
November 30 2009 15:57 GMT
#47
I am very pleased to see both yosh and mondy doing so well.
Out of these I think G5 - GJ!
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 30 2009 17:04 GMT
#48
Shaman not in the poll
He stopped playing bw, came back for TSL, and get B+ with 82-22, and even took some games to Advokate and Oystein who are among the top foreigners.
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Kerl
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany74 Posts
November 30 2009 17:08 GMT
#49
lol @ Oystein being among the Top Foreigners oO

RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
November 30 2009 17:50 GMT
#50
On November 30 2009 22:51 midou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2009 21:32 Crucifix wrote:
OctZerg was A- in like 3 or 4 previous ICC seasons? So why is that a surprise :D
MaNa is a surprise with #1
Sziky is a surprise

Everything else is not :>

maybe OctZerg because he is not dodging koreans

Dude.. OctZerg is the only person in the world that benefits from actually dodging foreigners.

I'm pretty sure he'll soon make a name for himself in the Korean community too and then he'll just be another C+ cheesy zerg
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Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
November 30 2009 19:15 GMT
#51
Btw, to the people that are saying 'Yosh isn't a suprise, he's fucking awesome' yeah, i couldn't agree more, but that thing that suprises me the most is how consistently safe he must be playing, to play 57 ladder games he must have played vs aloot of cheese, espescially being a terran player, and still winning every game. I don't think it's a suprise at all that he's up there, infact I think he's going to be top3 quite easily, a friend told me how hard he's been laddering all season on smurf accounts, so he should really be one to watch.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 30 2009 19:22 GMT
#52
Shad. Had never heard that name before.
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eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 30 2009 20:15 GMT
#53
On December 01 2009 02:04 endy wrote:
Shaman not in the poll
He stopped playing bw, came back for TSL, and get B+ with 82-22, and even took some games to Advokate and Oystein who are among the top foreigners.


Shaman didn't just come back for TSL. He has been active on iccup every single season, for both 1v1 and 2v2. He uses the ID pam_pam , and has played TONS of games over the last few seasons.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 20:45:58
November 30 2009 20:44 GMT
#54
I'm really surprised that Praetor isn't totally raping this poll.

On December 01 2009 05:15 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 02:04 endy wrote:
Shaman not in the poll
He stopped playing bw, came back for TSL, and get B+ with 82-22, and even took some games to Advokate and Oystein who are among the top foreigners.


Shaman didn't just come back for TSL. He has been active on iccup every single season, for both 1v1 and 2v2. He uses the ID pam_pam , and has played TONS of games over the last few seasons.


Was about to say the same thing.
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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
November 30 2009 23:46 GMT
#55
I only voted mana because his name was mentioned by idra
GGYouMake
Profile Joined July 2009
United States69 Posts
December 01 2009 00:33 GMT
#56
im top 500 YA GO ME!
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 01:22:10
December 01 2009 01:19 GMT
#57
yosh is the biggest surprise. but his play style is very safe and consistent so it's not too hard to understand! go yosh!

also nice to see f91 doing well!
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
December 01 2009 08:16 GMT
#58
On December 01 2009 00:47 Grobyc wrote:
Xiaozi imo actually. Did not see that coming.


agreed he finished 2nd, quite impressive for a zerg player that I really like watching
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
December 01 2009 12:21 GMT
#59
Yosh is no surprise to me, he has been around for so.... so long time and always among top foreigners eventhough some people might not know him that well... I voted Sziky as i haven't really heard much about that guy. Same goes for Shad. F91 is just a beast raisin through the ladder and he is definately gonna go high in the final rankings of whole TSL 2.

btw i don't like the zerg domination nowadays, only 2 solid protoss make me sad.. go Mana and WhiteRa
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 01 2009 12:48 GMT
#60
This poll result makes no sense what so ever..
Seriously wtf
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dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
December 01 2009 21:47 GMT
#61
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.
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Korean-MILF
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Norway65 Posts
December 01 2009 22:09 GMT
#62
On December 01 2009 02:08 Kerl wrote:
lol @ Oystein being among the Top Foreigners oO


Oys is a fucking gosu!
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dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
December 01 2009 22:14 GMT
#63
Ye, Oystein is actually amazing.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
December 02 2009 01:14 GMT
#64
i guess Octzerg. i love his play xD
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Gnaix
Profile Joined February 2009
United States438 Posts
December 02 2009 01:15 GMT
#65
F91!!!
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 02 2009 01:33 GMT
#66
On December 01 2009 21:48 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
This poll result makes no sense what so ever..
Seriously wtf


well thats how these polls tend to be.

be sick if we saw an A+ before the season ended
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 02 2009 01:35 GMT
#67
g5
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
December 02 2009 12:05 GMT
#68
Sziky. i didnt saw anything from him since vt died and than this^^ even G5 is a suprise. i mean he was good, but wasnt he inactive too?
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Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
December 02 2009 15:02 GMT
#69
On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


Foreigners are a lot better now than they were then. Also, progressing at A- seems to be almost impossible since you need to have a winning record to just hold your spot. I imagine that's why most of the top 10 aren't playing much unless people pass them.
psyCrowe
Profile Joined December 2007
Scotland195 Posts
December 02 2009 15:27 GMT
#70
biggest suprise for me in this particular list is definatly octoberzerg, with preator coming a close 2nd.
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
December 02 2009 17:03 GMT
#71
After week one? A week has already passed?
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dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
December 02 2009 19:28 GMT
#72
On December 03 2009 00:02 Biochemist wrote:
Foreigners are a lot better now than they were then. Also, progressing at A- seems to be almost impossible since you need to have a winning record to just hold your spot. I imagine that's why most of the top 10 aren't playing much unless people pass them.

After seeing WCG this year I don't agree. I've never seen Koreans pwning even the best foreigners with such ease.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 02 2009 19:41 GMT
#73
On December 03 2009 04:28 dranjam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 00:02 Biochemist wrote:
Foreigners are a lot better now than they were then. Also, progressing at A- seems to be almost impossible since you need to have a winning record to just hold your spot. I imagine that's why most of the top 10 aren't playing much unless people pass them.

After seeing WCG this year I don't agree. I've never seen Koreans pwning even the best foreigners with such ease.


apparently you've missed all the other WCGs
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
December 03 2009 01:10 GMT
#74
sheesh how can mana have almost double the votes of octzerg. these poll results are a bigger surprise than the TSL standings themself.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
December 03 2009 06:38 GMT
#75
OctZerg.

On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


You do realize IdrA plays, like, 95% Korean opponents while the other players on the ladder play a different mix. He's lost to 2 players who weren't Chinese/Korean (foscB.Team - whom he later called out for gaying him and unpausing a game and G2G.Mirror after beating him the first 2 times) and of the rest of his losses, 2 were to Chinese players. So of his 67 losses, 63 are vs. Korean players, 2 to foreigners and 2 to Chinese.

Compare that to someone like CaStrO who has played ~30 Koreans, lost to most of them and is playing foreigner guys who rank a rank below him while he's at A-.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
December 03 2009 15:47 GMT
#76
On December 03 2009 15:38 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
OctZerg.

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


You do realize IdrA plays, like, 95% Korean opponents while the other players on the ladder play a different mix. He's lost to 2 players who weren't Chinese/Korean (foscB.Team - whom he later called out for gaying him and unpausing a game and G2G.Mirror after beating him the first 2 times) and of the rest of his losses, 2 were to Chinese players. So of his 67 losses, 63 are vs. Korean players, 2 to foreigners and 2 to Chinese.

Compare that to someone like CaStrO who has played ~30 Koreans, lost to most of them and is playing foreigner guys who rank a rank below him while he's at A-.
same goes for yosh. he ain't dodging no korean. dranjam you should probably stop random-hating on these players, especially the ones that actually ladder in a legitimate fashion.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
December 03 2009 23:51 GMT
#77
On December 04 2009 00:47 redtooth wrote:
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On December 03 2009 15:38 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
OctZerg.

On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


You do realize IdrA plays, like, 95% Korean opponents while the other players on the ladder play a different mix. He's lost to 2 players who weren't Chinese/Korean (foscB.Team - whom he later called out for gaying him and unpausing a game and G2G.Mirror after beating him the first 2 times) and of the rest of his losses, 2 were to Chinese players. So of his 67 losses, 63 are vs. Korean players, 2 to foreigners and 2 to Chinese.

Compare that to someone like CaStrO who has played ~30 Koreans, lost to most of them and is playing foreigner guys who rank a rank below him while he's at A-.
same goes for yosh. he ain't dodging no korean. dranjam you should probably stop random-hating on these players, especially the ones that actually ladder in a legitimate fashion.


Yosh isn't actually playing as many Koreans - he's not dodging them by any means, but his mix is much more composed of foreigners as opposed to IdrA's. Still, hating on someone who went 57-0 to start is really lame.
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