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[MSL] The Calm Before The Swarm - Page 4
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ReiKo
Croatia1023 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
"BO loss" is not as solid an excuse as it once was in ZvZ, especially in series play. As you mentioned, Effort's decision to 12-hatch in consecutive games was simply not smart. Should we cut him slack because he lost due to silly strategy choices instead of bad micro or mechanics? I don't think so, largely because Jaedong has proven that it is possible to consistently win the ZvZ metagame. | ||
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errol1001
454 Posts
On August 02 2009 02:16 JWD wrote: Great writeup HB, as usual your analysis is clear and smart. It will inform my PR quite a bit. "BO loss" is not as solid an excuse as it once was in ZvZ, especially in series play. As you mentioned, Effort's decision to 12-hatch in consecutive games was simply not smart. Should we cut him slack because he lost due to silly strategy choices instead of bad micro or mechanics? I don't think so, largely because Jaedong has proven that it is possible to consistently win the ZvZ metagame. Actually, no, he lost because of both bad micro and bad choices. So definitely, he doesn't need any slack.. Calm vs Kwanro..... oh boy. But Jaedong would have to get struck by lightning for that to happen so I believe in a better result. | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
Thanks Hot_Bid! | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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wo0py
Netherlands922 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
i think going 12 hatch two games in a row is something you'd least expect unless you had studied efforts mind. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On August 01 2009 09:02 Gormaol wrote: Jaedong isn't the heir of Savior, he's the SUPERIOR of Savior, and the most talented player in Starcraft ever. Savior has never had the abilities that Jaedong possesses in his intuitive sense in figuring out exactly where his opponent's forces are, making the best decision on how and where to strike or defend with his forces, his total map awareness, unit lethality, insanely exacting micro, and unending relentlessness and ruthlessness that can only characterize the unstoppable force of destruction that is Jaedong. who said jaedong was saviors heir? EffOrt is saviors heir because they are both on the same team. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On August 02 2009 02:21 errol1001 wrote: Actually, no, he lost because of both bad micro and bad choices. So definitely, he doesn't need any slack.. Calm vs Kwanro..... oh boy. But Jaedong would have to get struck by lightning for that to happen so I believe in a better result. having your lings die instantly when they pop out of eggs because of a ling surround isn't being outmicroed..i thought effort microed his drones pretty well in the third game as well... | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
Bisu 2-1 Iris Zero 2-1 Kwanro If bisu just survives early game he should still take this zero also seems like a stronger player right now. Never know with kwanro though edit: but then looking at zeros zvz stats...lol! Well go zero anyway! edit:oh right it's bo5 -_- | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
Oh, and happy birthday Hot_Bid ^^ | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
On August 01 2009 06:21 Hot_Bid wrote: The MSL organizers collectively groan -- they are this close to Bisu and Jaedong. Can you imagine the crickets in the audience if its Calm vs Kwanro? I wouldnt mind Calm vs Zero final honestly | ||
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marcoso
Brazil818 Posts
the one thing calm knew was that if the games were to be decided with muta/scourge/ling micro his chances of winning would be close to 0%. Good for him effort went 12-hatch. i expect Calm to do the same with Jaedong. Against these 2, you simply can't let the game last much without some advantage. | ||
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Gormaol
United States27 Posts
On August 02 2009 06:17 stroggos wrote: who said jaedong was saviors heir? EffOrt is saviors heir because they are both on the same team. Actually, Hot_Bid implied that JD was or likely would be Savior's heir, and that bit about Effort you stated is a rather idiotic justification in itself, don't you think? Since Kwanro and Orion are also on Savior's team, I suppose they're also his heirs? lol. I'm sure you meant to include that it's also skill determinative, but even with that metric, tell me, how does Effort measure up so far to Savior? He doesn't. Of course, you have to go back a bit in time to see where Hot_Bid prophesied JD's future: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=64396 But that's beside the point. I didn't write my statement in response to Hot_Bid's post. I made my statement coming from an idealistic point of view about how people form a conception about who the best player is; and I made it in opposition to the vein of thought that, in order to justify your ascendancy to the Zerg throne, you would need some sort of tacit recognition from the player community that you're following in the footsteps of Savior. I reject that reasoning. I'm saying that Jaedong is like a force of nature creating a legacy all his own, and that he doesn't need any connotation of succession from a player that, even with his prime taken into account, I consider to be of lower standing than Jaedong. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
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hawk123
United States77 Posts
On August 01 2009 09:02 Gormaol wrote: Jaedong isn't the heir of Savior, he's the SUPERIOR of Savior, and the most talented player in Starcraft ever. Savior has never had the abilities that Jaedong possesses in his intuitive sense in figuring out exactly where his opponent's forces are, making the best decision on how and where to strike or defend with his forces, his total map awareness, unit lethality, insanely exacting micro, and unending relentlessness and ruthlessness that can only characterize the unstoppable force of destruction that is Jaedong. You are just stating what savior is good at..jaedong is far superior in mechanics..but on the management and instincts...savior in his prime was far superior then jaedong now. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 01 2009 09:29 DoX.) wrote: Holy fuck the threat of a ZvZ finals is huge Well even in the worst case, at least a ZvZ finals is much better than TvT finals | ||
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Ideas
United States8170 Posts
On August 02 2009 15:24 AzureEye wrote: Well even in the worst case, at least a ZvZ finals is much better than TvT finals and a PvP finals. | ||
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ryuu_
United States1266 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Firstly, his scouting sucked ass. Half way through the VOD you can even see a comparison of each guy's minimap. Jaedong has like 80% of the map revealed and Canata has like 2 lanes through the middle. Cmon man, you are fucking terran, you have scans and 60hp scouts.. Secondly, spend your fucking money there was a shot near the end where he had over 1000$ minerals. Third, you have to notice that the tech buildings are mysteriously missing. Where is the Q nest? Where does that nydus go? How does he obviously have so much gas for upgrades, hive-defiler, lurker, and all those scourge? Terrible terrible play, You are supposed to be a pro gamer.. | ||
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