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[MSL] The Calm Before The Swarm - Page 3

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Oedi
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada265 Posts
August 01 2009 03:51 GMT
#41
Great read man. I loved the name changes haha.

I'm hoping for a Bisu - Jaedong Final. only final that;'ll make me drool now haha.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
August 01 2009 03:54 GMT
#42
The last game really wasn't Effort's fault.
Cross positions is easier to defend than a next door neighbor because it takes a longer time for lings to arrive and by that time, your own lings will pop.

But yeah, a calm vs kwanro finals would be terrible, while a Bisu vs Jaedong finals would be epic.
It's a shame that the proleague finals is approaching so swiftly.
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
August 01 2009 04:03 GMT
#43
I really want to see Calm vs Bisu. Calm's probably got the best ZvP in the business right now (yes, including Jaedong's). Not that Jaedong vs Bisu would be in any way a bad series.

Final Possibilities:
Calm vs Bisu - best possible final imo
Jaedong vs Bisu - most likely final and second best possible
Jaedong vs Iris - second most likely final, wildly unpredictable quality but probably a JD 3-1.
Calm vs Iris - probably favors Calm, but he's not Jaedong in this MU. Calm 3-2?
Calm vs Zero - no idea.
Calm vs Kwanro - 3-1 for Kwanro.
Jaedong vs Zero - ought to be 3-0 for JD. Might be the upset of the year if S-class Zero shows up.
Jaedong vs Kwanro - no. Just no.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
August 01 2009 04:10 GMT
#44
alright after reading it another 4-5 times I see what your intent was. It's just that the part about "what went wrong" with the bullet-pointed list just sorta seemed like excuses to me at 1st and I let it cloud the rest of the article.


I'm still so proud of Calm for pulling through in such a good fashion though :D
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 01 2009 05:51 GMT
#45
Please, let this final be the Jaedong vs Bisu final. Please.

Thanks for the write-up!
May the BeSt man win.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
August 01 2009 06:45 GMT
#46
Awesome write-up, thanks!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43759 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 06:51:46
August 01 2009 06:51 GMT
#47
In the recap for JD vs Canata game 2 I believe Canata 14ccs into 2 rax rather than 2 rax into fast expansion.
Excellent writeup though.
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JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
August 01 2009 06:55 GMT
#48
(Z)Jaedong < (T)Speed Push @ Heartbreak Ridge

Last word in the spoiler should be changed to other player
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
August 01 2009 07:18 GMT
#49
Great work Hot_Bid!
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miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
August 01 2009 08:22 GMT
#50
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HOTBID

Also, great writeup
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diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 08:51:43
August 01 2009 08:49 GMT
#51
nice work, but pulling assumptions out of your ass that proleague matters more to the players than individual leagues is ridiculous imo... even if they say that shit in an interview, its because they have to and not because its necessarily true... I just dont like when people state their own opinion/assumption as known fact.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 01 2009 08:53 GMT
#52
Yes, surely the coaches, the players, and everyone involved with the scene for the past 5 years are lying. I mean it's not like coaches and players NEVER admit to letting players prioritize individual leagues over PL.

Wait, no, that's a lie. Savior, Nada, July? Plenty of players get the go ahead to forego PL practice, but right now it is more important to them to win PL, and to think otherwise is akin to being some crazy starcraft conspiracy nut.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 01 2009 09:02 GMT
#53
PL is obviously the most important to team owning companies and without no sponsors the teams can't exist. I'm sure everyone can figure out the rest.
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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
August 01 2009 09:14 GMT
#54
On August 01 2009 09:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 09:02 Gormaol wrote:
Jaedong isn't the heir of Savior, he's the SUPERIOR of Savior, and the most talented player in Starcraft ever. Savior has never had the abilities that Jaedong possesses in his intuitive sense in figuring out exactly where his opponent's forces are, making the best decision on how and where to strike or defend with his forces, his total map awareness, unit lethality, insanely exacting micro, and unending relentlessness and ruthlessness that can only characterize the unstoppable force of destruction that is Jaedong.
Your an idiot and should be banned.


Dazed_Spy Canata




Jaedong just did his job... and now he will take away the MSL from Bisu, too. Rawr.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
August 01 2009 09:40 GMT
#55
On August 01 2009 18:02 Carnac wrote:
PL is obviously the most important to team owning companies and without no sponsors the teams can't exist. I'm sure everyone can figure out the rest.

This wasnt about what is most important to the team owning companies but what is most important to the individual players. Claiming that its proleague is just completely unjustified imo. More money and prestige is earned in individual leagues, why should professional, competetive players regard proleague more important personally??
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 10:05:27
August 01 2009 10:04 GMT
#56
On August 01 2009 18:40 damenmofa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 18:02 Carnac wrote:
PL is obviously the most important to team owning companies and without no sponsors the teams can't exist. I'm sure everyone can figure out the rest.

This wasnt about what is most important to the team owning companies but what is most important to the individual players. Claiming that its proleague is just completely unjustified imo. More money and prestige is earned in individual leagues, why should professional, competetive players regard proleague more important personally??
You should've thought one step further, at least that's what I expected

With the enormous pressure the players get from their teams, the team organized practice time with a heavy, heavy bias towards PL, the recognition from the coaches, etc this obviously also becomes a part of the players' mentality.
Also please bear in mind that we are not talking about a random r2 PL game against some scrub here, but about Hwaseung's penultimate match of a one year season. At this point it is pretty much all or nothing.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
August 01 2009 10:22 GMT
#57
I fear that Iris will cheese the shit out of Bisu....
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koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
August 01 2009 10:34 GMT
#58
good writeup! HB and go swarm
Karmosin
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden31 Posts
August 01 2009 11:36 GMT
#59
Kwanro vs Iris would be an awesome aggro fest. Get!
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Velthice
Profile Joined July 2009
United States10 Posts
August 01 2009 11:54 GMT
#60
On August 01 2009 09:04 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 09:02 Gormaol wrote:
Jaedong isn't the heir of Savior, he's the SUPERIOR of Savior, and the most talented player in Starcraft ever. Savior has never had the abilities that Jaedong possesses in his intuitive sense in figuring out exactly where his opponent's forces are, making the best decision on how and where to strike or defend with his forces, his total map awareness, unit lethality, insanely exacting micro, and unending relentlessness and ruthlessness that can only characterize the unstoppable force of destruction that is Jaedong.

If Jaedong wins an individual league this season (either MSL or OSL), then yes his achievements are greater. But for now, Savior's still more accomplished -- but even I, a huge Savior fan, can see the writing on the wall. It's only a matter of time now until we have a consensus Best Zerg Ever.



I for one can't wait for that time to come. It was good, as I'm a massive jaedong fan, to see effort put in his place.
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