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[PL] Stats Report Week 6 - Page 3

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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 25 2008 04:09 GMT
#41
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.
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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
November 25 2008 05:38 GMT
#42
never thought that woongjin would actually win that much
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OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
November 25 2008 06:18 GMT
#43
omg lack of 2v2 is raping ACE so hard... T_T
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 25 2008 08:18 GMT
#44
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 25 2008 10:15 GMT
#45
On November 25 2008 17:18 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.
With that said, with this round almost over all its saying is too little too late. However we should expect to see estro climb in the coming round(s)
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 25 2008 11:16 GMT
#46
gj stx one staying on 2nd..:D
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
November 25 2008 11:34 GMT
#47
On November 25 2008 04:37 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 03:52 Dknight wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:27 SpiralArchitect wrote:
They are still a lackluster team that cannot field a decent ace for the life of them. With that record I still dont call them a decent team, though if Sangho or Sea.Really can fill that position I could see them edging into the top six by then end of the season. But can you really imagine them winning the Proleague Finals? Give me a break. eSTRO sucks, sorry.


So because you can't imagine them winning the PL finals, they suck? Not all teams are at either end of the extremes. Teams can be 'ok' and eSTRO is performing decently and if anything, above almost everyone's expectations. Give credit where credit is due. They have gone to ace 8 games out of 10 so obviously the're doing something right, giving legit teams a run for their money.

They suck because they finished last season behind ACE and this season have failed to deliver in almost all of their matches. I said that if they can field a good ace they will be a good team but how can you say that the fact that they "almost" beat 8 out of 10 opponents makes them good? I guess maybe suck was a strong word, but they aren't a fantastic team. I think they have alot of potential to do better than last season but they aren't a top tier team, or even close to being one. Its not like losing a football game 21-7 is any worse than 21-17.


Nevertheless I believe this is a good improvement leading somewhere. Give them one more season then maybe they might edge somewhere near the playoffs.
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-25 13:04:48
November 25 2008 13:04 GMT
#48
On November 25 2008 19:15 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 17:18 IdrA wrote:
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.
With that said, with this round almost over all its saying is too little too late. However we should expect to see estro climb in the coming round(s)

not really since we were talking about the quality of the team, not the performance of the team
("estro sucks" not "estro's record sucks")

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PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
November 25 2008 13:05 GMT
#49
the problem is the focus you give on eSTRO. They used to just suck and be on the receiving end every time but lately they have been improving a lot and no team this season could say it was an easy win (except for ACE ). So instead of saying what has changed on the team you go on "oh, they still suck HAHA" which just discredits them. Not cool really.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
November 25 2008 13:23 GMT
#50
Well I personally look forward to seeing Stars resurrect and eStro pull a one time. Plz.

And Obv, my team will win PL... Best will carry us there!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 25 2008 14:18 GMT
#51
On November 25 2008 17:18 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.


I've watched some of Artosis' vods, and basically it seems like they practice a lot for matches and generally over-achieving. They're not participating in individual leagues except for Upmagic, so they devote full time to PL. They're outworking other teams, but I don't know how long they can keep this up.

I like this team, and sort of keeping tabs on them. But estro is still quite lacking in the talent(not potential, but current talent) department. And unless their kids blossom, they're still considered bottom tier, IMO.

Oh, and estro needs an ace badly.
Meh
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 25 2008 17:15 GMT
#52
On November 25 2008 23:18 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 17:18 IdrA wrote:
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.


I've watched some of Artosis' vods, and basically it seems like they practice a lot for matches and generally over-achieving. They're not participating in individual leagues except for Upmagic, so they devote full time to PL. They're outworking other teams, but I don't know how long they can keep this up.

I like this team, and sort of keeping tabs on them. But estro is still quite lacking in the talent(not potential, but current talent) department. And unless their kids blossom, they're still considered bottom tier, IMO.

Oh, and estro needs an ace badly.

everyone on every team practices 12 hours a day for their proleague matches. ignore what artosis says, hes biased and rather ignorant on the topic.
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
November 25 2008 19:33 GMT
#53
Sea.Really is having a breakout season....he IS Estro's ace and he's getting better and better. Estro is a spirited team that has the potential to do well next season.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 26 2008 02:51 GMT
#54
On November 26 2008 02:15 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 23:18 baubo wrote:
On November 25 2008 17:18 IdrA wrote:
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.


I've watched some of Artosis' vods, and basically it seems like they practice a lot for matches and generally over-achieving. They're not participating in individual leagues except for Upmagic, so they devote full time to PL. They're outworking other teams, but I don't know how long they can keep this up.

I like this team, and sort of keeping tabs on them. But estro is still quite lacking in the talent(not potential, but current talent) department. And unless their kids blossom, they're still considered bottom tier, IMO.

Oh, and estro needs an ace badly.

everyone on every team practices 12 hours a day for their proleague matches. ignore what artosis says, hes biased and rather ignorant on the topic.


No they don't. I've never been in Korea, and I don't even speak Korean, but it just makes no logical sense for players to devote all their time to PL when they have individual leagues to worry about.

Players' practice time for PL matches is totally dependent on what their situation is in the starleagues. Hence, ESTRO with no starleague player can devote more effort into matches.
Meh
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 26 2008 22:09 GMT
#55
On November 25 2008 17:18 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 13:09 SpiralArchitect wrote:
To me having potential does not speak as loud as being in the bottom quarter of the rankings. Their record, to me, says they suck.

thats because you know nothing about broodwar and so can only look at statistics instead of the quality of their players. actually you must be pretty dumb in general because it doesnt even require knowledge of bw to see the fact that all losses being 2-3 shows they were almost there and the 3 game win streak shows that theyre pulling the last bits together.

OK stop telling me they have potential, I know that and have admitted it already. Yes they are getting better, yes Sangho and Really have a chance of becoming the ace player they need and yes they are better than they were. But for the love of god they are still in the bottom quarter of the rankings and havent been playing amazingly well either. They arent a good team yet, they are on their way to being one but not yet. "almost there" and "pulling the last bits together" means they will be good eventually but at this point I still consider them sub par and therefore deserving of the term, suck.
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
November 27 2008 20:19 GMT
#56
thanks sprial!
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 29 2008 09:46 GMT
#57
in other stats news, (P)Stats is awesome
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