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Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
November 24 2008 19:52 GMT
#21
very great read
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 24 2008 19:56 GMT
#22
On November 25 2008 03:46 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 03:27 SpiralArchitect wrote:
They are still a lackluster team that cannot field a decent ace for the life of them. With that record I still dont call them a decent team, though if Sangho or Sea.Really can fill that position I could see them edging into the top six by then end of the season. But can you really imagine them winning the Proleague Finals? Give me a break. eSTRO sucks, sorry.

someone who doesnt know what hes talking about should be a bit more humble about presenting his opinion.

they dont suck by any stretch of the imagination

O thank you Great One. The eyes, they are opened.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 24 2008 20:12 GMT
#23
Luxury (6-4) has been trying his hardest to keep KTF afloat, along with Flash, they compromise the main strategy of KTF, but they need some more strong players. Flash and Luxury are the only two players from KTF in the top 25, the closest is Sair who is 3-2 and shows no signs of going anywhere.

This part needs to be fixed. The word you're looking for is "...along with Flash, they comprise the main strategy...".

Compromise is to make an agreement between two or more parties where all both gain and sacrifice. Comprise is a word used to refer to the makeup or composition of something.

Other than that, great write-up.
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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 24 2008 20:18 GMT
#24
Haha thanks for picking that up man, I have a habit of mistakes like that on a keyboard, such as "their" and "there" though that one is a lot more common than most. Fixed.
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
November 24 2008 20:40 GMT
#25
I think UpMagic and Sea.Really will pick it up for eSTRO, as well as Tester. Not sure what Zergs they have but eSTRO is going to pick up the slack. They do have the mentality for it. That is to say right now, they do suck. Good teams don't have 3-7 records. Imo, eSTRO needs to play more to prove they're a decent team.

Besides that, SKT T1 sucks. Buy a freaking zerg! Or let Fantasy play zerg or something. Jesus christ this team pisses me off and it's not like I can hate them or anything, since i love them so much T_T.
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Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
November 24 2008 20:46 GMT
#26
im sure none of the SKT fans wanna show their face cause of how horrible they're doing
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
November 24 2008 20:50 GMT
#27
Damn Leta is such a great clutch player, gotta love that guy.
^-^
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
November 24 2008 20:53 GMT
#28
WeMade FOX is the worst team in Proleague. There I said it. They have been performing to the definition of mediocre. With players like Mind NaDa and Rock they should be able to maintain a better record than 4-5 (17-23).

hahaha....
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Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
November 24 2008 20:55 GMT
#29
On November 25 2008 05:50 Equinox_kr wrote:
Damn Leta is such a great clutch player, gotta love that guy.


Leta is awesome, I hope we see some individual ownage out of him soon.
"If I think, everything is lost"
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-24 21:00:45
November 24 2008 20:59 GMT
#30
On November 25 2008 05:40 Tensai176 wrote:
I think UpMagic and Sea.Really will pick it up for eSTRO, as well as Tester. Not sure what Zergs they have but eSTRO is going to pick up the slack. They do have the mentality for it. That is to say right now, they do suck. Good teams don't have 3-7 records. Imo, eSTRO needs to play more to prove they're a decent team.

Besides that, SKT T1 sucks. Buy a freaking zerg! Or let Fantasy play zerg or something. Jesus christ this team pisses me off and it's not like I can hate them or anything, since i love them so much T_T.

Thats the truth. They are doing much much better, I think every team can't underestimate them now though, they HAVE been going to ACE matches all the time.

I think their zerg lineup isn't that great though, which is the biggest problem. Magma is like the only good zerg, but he cracks under pressure. Which is a shame, because that guy kicks some serious trash.

SKT1 is just unnacceptable though. Come on!

Stars is gonna be the dark horse though, for sure.

I do find it hilarious that ACE 3-0'd Estro. I mean, thats gotta be like the one team they just plan all day for just to defeat them and they run off laughing hysterically about.
Hoo Ra!
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
November 24 2008 21:11 GMT
#31
Nice report dude. Helps for those of us who don't have time to keep up with all the PL stuff that's going on.
Super serious.
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
November 24 2008 21:31 GMT
#32
Go go go STX SouL~! =) Thanks for the PL report.
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
November 24 2008 22:31 GMT
#33
On November 25 2008 04:37 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 03:52 Dknight wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:27 SpiralArchitect wrote:
They are still a lackluster team that cannot field a decent ace for the life of them. With that record I still dont call them a decent team, though if Sangho or Sea.Really can fill that position I could see them edging into the top six by then end of the season. But can you really imagine them winning the Proleague Finals? Give me a break. eSTRO sucks, sorry.


So because you can't imagine them winning the PL finals, they suck? Not all teams are at either end of the extremes. Teams can be 'ok' and eSTRO is performing decently and if anything, above almost everyone's expectations. Give credit where credit is due. They have gone to ace 8 games out of 10 so obviously the're doing something right, giving legit teams a run for their money.

They suck because they finished last season behind ACE and this season have failed to deliver in almost all of their matches. I said that if they can field a good ace they will be a good team but how can you say that the fact that they "almost" beat 8 out of 10 opponents makes them good? I guess maybe suck was a strong word, but they aren't a fantastic team. I think they have alot of potential to do better than last season but they aren't a top tier team, or even close to being one. Its not like losing a football game 21-7 is any worse than 21-17.


How have they failed to deliver in almost all of their matches? They took 8 of their games to the ace match. They are no longer the walkover they used to be and are clearly improving. Going from 12th to 10th is a step in the right direction. Regarding your last two sentences...no one ever said they were a top tier or close to being one.
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Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
November 24 2008 22:46 GMT
#34
Estro is ahead of SKT1 :O
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 24 2008 23:21 GMT
#35
CJ was 4-5 at the end of last week. And + Show Spoiler +
with their win against MBC the other night they're at a healthy 5-5, right in the hunt for the playoffs.

I'm not sure saying they're failing to meet expectations is fair really. Who honestly expected them to be a top team this year? The realistic thing to say at the beginning of the season was that they are a middle of the pack team who should have a good shot at sneaking into the top 6 and making it into the postseason. So far, they've beaten ACE, SKT, WeMade, Woongjin, and + Show Spoiler +
MBC
while they've lost to STX, KHAN, KTF, OGN, and eSTRO. The only match where they really underperformed was against eSTRO. The other matches, they either lost to teams that they were expected to lose to, or they won against teams they were expected to beat.

They're pretty much performing right up to expectations in my book, although it would be nice if they exceeded expectations in round 2.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
November 24 2008 23:34 GMT
#36
In the individual stats, GGPlay is still listed as CJ :p
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 25 2008 00:39 GMT
#37
On November 25 2008 04:51 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 04:00 baubo wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:53 StalinRusH wrote:
With Lecaf OZ losing last week to samsung does that mean that STX has moved up to first place?


No, because Khan has better individual records, which is the tie-breaker. Not that it really matters this early in the season though, but something to look out for later on in the year. Individual records is also a good indication of a team's overall ability.

I really can see Lecaf stumbling, because without ForGG to back up Jaedong as a second Ace, this team is just like KTF and way too reliant on one person dominating. STX, on the other hand, is moving up with Kal improving and Calm playing well in general.

+ Show Spoiler [KHAN vs Lecaf and STX vs ACE] +
I believe that after last night's games with STX thrashing ACE 3-0, and the night before that with KHAN beating Lecaf 3-2, STX is currently in first place with 8-3(+7 in games), while KHAN and Lecaf are tied for second and third at 7-3(+7).


My bad. You're right, I was just looking at week 6 stats for that.
Meh
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 25 2008 02:04 GMT
#38
On November 25 2008 07:31 Dknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 04:37 SpiralArchitect wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:52 Dknight wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:27 SpiralArchitect wrote:
They are still a lackluster team that cannot field a decent ace for the life of them. With that record I still dont call them a decent team, though if Sangho or Sea.Really can fill that position I could see them edging into the top six by then end of the season. But can you really imagine them winning the Proleague Finals? Give me a break. eSTRO sucks, sorry.


So because you can't imagine them winning the PL finals, they suck? Not all teams are at either end of the extremes. Teams can be 'ok' and eSTRO is performing decently and if anything, above almost everyone's expectations. Give credit where credit is due. They have gone to ace 8 games out of 10 so obviously the're doing something right, giving legit teams a run for their money.

They suck because they finished last season behind ACE and this season have failed to deliver in almost all of their matches. I said that if they can field a good ace they will be a good team but how can you say that the fact that they "almost" beat 8 out of 10 opponents makes them good? I guess maybe suck was a strong word, but they aren't a fantastic team. I think they have alot of potential to do better than last season but they aren't a top tier team, or even close to being one. Its not like losing a football game 21-7 is any worse than 21-17.


How have they failed to deliver in almost all of their matches? They took 8 of their games to the ace match. They are no longer the walkover they used to be and are clearly improving. Going from 12th to 10th is a step in the right direction. Regarding your last two sentences...no one ever said they were a top tier or close to being one.

They have improved yes but taking a match to an ace set then losing is not delivering. I admit eSTRO is doing better but they are still a crappy team.
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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
November 25 2008 02:28 GMT
#39
What is this estro beating SKT buisness? How depressing
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 25 2008 02:59 GMT
#40
On November 25 2008 11:04 SpiralArchitect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 07:31 Dknight wrote:
On November 25 2008 04:37 SpiralArchitect wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:52 Dknight wrote:
On November 25 2008 03:27 SpiralArchitect wrote:
They are still a lackluster team that cannot field a decent ace for the life of them. With that record I still dont call them a decent team, though if Sangho or Sea.Really can fill that position I could see them edging into the top six by then end of the season. But can you really imagine them winning the Proleague Finals? Give me a break. eSTRO sucks, sorry.


So because you can't imagine them winning the PL finals, they suck? Not all teams are at either end of the extremes. Teams can be 'ok' and eSTRO is performing decently and if anything, above almost everyone's expectations. Give credit where credit is due. They have gone to ace 8 games out of 10 so obviously the're doing something right, giving legit teams a run for their money.

They suck because they finished last season behind ACE and this season have failed to deliver in almost all of their matches. I said that if they can field a good ace they will be a good team but how can you say that the fact that they "almost" beat 8 out of 10 opponents makes them good? I guess maybe suck was a strong word, but they aren't a fantastic team. I think they have alot of potential to do better than last season but they aren't a top tier team, or even close to being one. Its not like losing a football game 21-7 is any worse than 21-17.


How have they failed to deliver in almost all of their matches? They took 8 of their games to the ace match. They are no longer the walkover they used to be and are clearly improving. Going from 12th to 10th is a step in the right direction. Regarding your last two sentences...no one ever said they were a top tier or close to being one.

They have improved yes but taking a match to an ace set then losing is not delivering. I admit eSTRO is doing better but they are still a crappy team.

theyre on a 3 match win streak and only like 1 of their losses didnt go to ace. that in itself is not sucking, not to mention the potential it shows.
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