Hard choice here. Both players have a nice style and look cool in their interviews. As a Protoss, I should cheer for JF but for the sake of the game, I think a T should play against Draco. So Go Brat! I hope the games will be great.
i hope for brat cuz i wanna see pvt not pvp in final but gonna be much harder / closer than the games vs dreiven and i think jf is gonna counter some of the things he saw in those games
Fuck I'm so torn. On the one hand I really want JF to win the entire thing. On the other hand I know Draco vs Brat will be EPIC. Sigh I don't know what I want.
Man this is exciting. I REALLY hope bw doesn't go the way of sc as soon as sc2 comes out. But the trouble is who to cheer for?! Motherland or motherfucking badass??
so this means that we will see a long best of 5 or why 12 min more? when did they play the games right before the stream or what....ok sol 3:2 maybe ye
On May 26 2008 05:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: apm count would just be distracting and useless and technicals have been amazing in general :p
Im not complaining, just there is still room to grow. Crash fixing (if possible). Also a map picture on which you can draw and comment (like sports maps). Perhaps switching to p2p video like bittorent dna or tvants (will help costs and possibly let people with slower connections to watch too).
but those are minor things, i love how it is now too.
On May 26 2008 05:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: apm count would just be distracting and useless and technicals have been amazing in general :p
Not totally useless. If commentators could recall the normal APM of a player, you could determine if nerves or illness were affecting a players game, as indicated by a lower APM. Think of yesterday with NonY's games. I refuse to believe he was playing his absolute best, and I'd be willing to bet he wasn't feeling well during those games.
But maybe only commentators should be able to see it (ie, they just have APM Live on their computer, and the observer has it off), so they can mention it if they want, and ignore it if everything is normal.
protoss is imbalanced. protoss just makes a move and terran has to do so much micro... no wonder so many protoss are in the final rounds. balance protoss please...
On May 26 2008 06:16 ghostyx wrote: protoss is imbalanced. protoss just makes a move and terran has to do so much micro... no wonder so many protoss are in the final rounds. balance protoss please...
On May 26 2008 06:16 ghostyx wrote: protoss is imbalanced. protoss just makes a move and terran has to do so much micro... no wonder so many protoss are in the final rounds. balance protoss please...
And here I was hoping they banned you last night already.
On May 26 2008 06:19 gusbear wrote: Is Jian Fei really his name? Thats quite an odd name, and it can also mean to diet and lose weight (literally "cut fat")
what? he is right protoss is fucking imba look he just makes these imbalanced reavers again. i mean protoss has so many possibilities to abuse the race... reavers... dark templars... and then they have units with no abilits, but are so fucking strong that have just make a move to win
On May 26 2008 06:37 ghostyx wrote: overview: protoss is imbalanced and he just attack moves his armies and imba harasses with reavers and templars 1-.0 for JF
nice !! Brat played beautifully, but he wasted a looott in the end.. With the arbs dealing damage the whole time, and no golis for support JF could of came back. Brat macroed so hard it ended up being too imba for P xD
On May 26 2008 06:52 ghostyx wrote: omg... he is abusing reavers again...
On May 26 2008 06:56 ghostyx wrote: omg... look this imbalance
On May 26 2008 06:57 ghostyx wrote: WHAT VERY NICE BY JF EVERY RETARD CAN DO THIS REAVER SHIT LOL
On May 26 2008 06:58 ghostyx wrote: break the push.... a-click?
On May 26 2008 06:38 ghostyx wrote: haha lol the protoss is losing rofl.
On May 26 2008 06:34 ghostyx wrote: storm dropps are imbalanced too
On May 26 2008 06:16 ghostyx wrote: protoss is imbalanced. protoss just makes a move and terran has to do so much micro... no wonder so many protoss are in the final rounds. balance protoss please...
On May 26 2008 06:20 ghostyx wrote: oh no... protoss vs protss final.. borring... next time i play too and win with protoss a click a click a click win
On May 26 2008 07:03 ghostyx wrote: why they show replays from the game and say it's "live"? these games are recorded
zodiac is protoss map again... goodbye brat.... hf with borring protoss vs protoss final... like always... so much protoss damn imbalance race
On May 26 2008 06:41 ghostyx wrote: what is very nice play? he makes 10 zealots and 2 arbiters in 1 group and makes attack move? lol wtf?
On May 25 2008 06:48 ghostyx wrote: LOOK AT THE ARROGANT AMERICAN HE GETS PWWWWWWWWWWWNED
On May 25 2008 06:51 ghostyx wrote: lol why i should shut up? look at the interview.. hes an arrogant asshole AND NOW HE GETS TOTALLY PWNED
On May 25 2008 06:54 ghostyx wrote: never bet on arrogant assholes
On May 26 2008 07:12 ghostyx wrote: you think all black should be banned? wtf? you from the KKK?
On May 26 2008 07:08 ghostyx wrote: this site has a lot of bad mannered people... i think they dont like black people like me
On May 26 2008 07:15 ghostyx wrote: nah, im not whiny. I always get flamed because im black
On May 26 2008 07:16 ghostyx wrote: haha lol look at this noob storm... almost as bad as nonys where he didnt have researched it XD
On May 26 2008 07:19 ghostyx wrote: haha lol look how the protoss noob gets owned lol.... so he abuses now mass invisible cheat from protoss
On May 26 2008 07:21 ghostyx wrote: OMG HE loses this protoss map........ go brat for game 5 omg... nobody wants to see this protoss vs protoss shit... its like imbalance vs imbalance
On May 26 2008 07:44 ghostyx wrote: GG its over imba protoss wins ... borring final there will be... i can tell u the results... 3-0 for draco because JF is a stupid noob
On May 26 2008 07:34 ghostyx wrote: LEAVE JF LEAVVVVVVVELEAVEEEEEEEEEE
NIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRAT END IT END IT
On May 26 2008 07:32 ghostyx wrote: BRAT KILL HIM
On May 26 2008 07:27 ghostyx wrote: OMG NO NOT THIS PROTOSS IMBAlance MAP AGAIN PWN HIM BRAT I BET HE ABUSES REAVERS AGAIN
IF ALL PROTOSS ARE IMBA AND CAN PULL OFF THE SAME SHIT WHY ARENT YOU IN THE TOP 10 OF THE WORLD HUH BITCH?
STFU OR GTFO MOFO
this site has a lot of bad mannered people... i think they dont like black people like me
You badmouth one of the world's top players, try to ruin a game thread with your ignorance, ruin the fun for many of the people in this thread and you say IM badmannered? Seriously i wonder why your still not banned.
On May 26 2008 07:12 ghostyx wrote: you think all black should be banned? wtf? you from the KKK?
I DONT GIV A FUCK WETHER YOU ARE BLACK WHITE BLUE RED OR YELLOW YOU SPECIFICALLY DESERVE TO BE BANNED NO MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU ARE
you my friend are ruining a thread for a TSL match, the same TSL that the TL.net staff have worked so hard to put together. ill say it again: stfu or gtfo bitch
On May 26 2008 07:15 ghostyx wrote: nah, im not whiny. I always get flamed because im black
You are dumb as a rock. You think we're flaming you because you're black? Yeah, ok, because all of us here at TL are psychic. We're flaming you because your an ignorant whiney bitch.
Man, whatever happens Brat_OK is a genius. 3rd command center to pump scvs without an expansion? Are you kidding me? I've never seen anyone not punish a 12 nexus immediately and win. >_>
Come on guys, stop feeding the troll! He's not even an original troll, he's way too blunt. Anyways, Brat's showing amazing game sense and calmness under pressure here. Wow.
On May 26 2008 07:19 Lenwe wrote: Don't feed the troll please people, just wait till a mod comes along.
Agreed. Its useless arguing with a troll since he doesnt understand that BM does not necessarily have to do with color. He seems to be bragging alot that hes black for some reason...
I understand that Carriers isn't as strong against today's Terran, but with such a lead, Carriers may had helped a lot. Brat was behind in everything including tech.
On May 26 2008 07:20 goldrush wrote: Lesson learned? Don't try attacking a seiged terran with only dragoons. Why hte hell were the zealots so late in that attack?
He used the goons to clear out the spider mines first. If he ran his zealots in first, they would've all died before reaching the tanks.
When those 2 vultues moved up and planted the 2 mines, when 4 dragoons got stuck, 3 blew up instantly and the 4th got stuck and eventually taken down.. I mean.. If that hadn't happened, Brat would basically be GGing now.
look this fucking imbalance shit brat played perfeclty and killed everything and the protoss is in better position i mean wtf????? look at this imba shit and again imba reaver abuse and then mass invsible unit hack or 400 units on flying ship who instant kill everything LOLOLO
On May 26 2008 07:38 ghostyx wrote: look this fucking imbalance shit brat played perfeclty and killed everything and the protoss is in better position i mean wtf????? look at this imba shit and again imba reaver abuse and then mass invsible unit hack or 400 units on flying ship who instant kill everything LOLOLO
On May 26 2008 07:38 ghostyx wrote: look this fucking imbalance shit brat played perfeclty and killed everything and the protoss is in better position i mean wtf????? look at this imba shit and again imba reaver abuse and then mass invsible unit hack or 400 units on flying ship who instant kill everything LOLOLO
JF is playing some textbook fake-offensive mass-expo PvT The image of pressure and reappearing everywhere for SCV-snags, mine clearing, turret kills etc, buying him so much time here.
As long as he doesn't slip up and wait for Recall, this should be in his bag.
The reason why JF has a larger army than BRAT is because he totally neglected SCV production while he was making that fast push (plus he also used 4 SCV's in that push).
Oh wow. At least now it's going to be REALLY easy to cheer for one side in the finals :D. Draco's still cool though. JF's defense was impeccible and damn he's shown grace under pressure. The guy has the chops to be a champion.
On May 26 2008 07:51 Naib wrote: i can't believe so many of you voted for BRAT_OK, I mean he's fine, but JF's just so much better since he stopped DotAing with us
Well, better for my liquibet!
Go JF!
so much better my ass. the series were decided a lot by maps, I'm 99% sure brat would have won if it'd have been on blue storm and not wuthering heights in last game. Or actually any of the other maps for that matter.
On May 26 2008 07:52 [X]Ken_D wrote: LOL @ the people complaining about imbalance map? Did you know why Brat lost?
Brat went 2 factory and failed. That's like going allin. He was behind all game because of his decision to cheese.
Think of the reasons why and have you seen many 2 facs before.
He probably thought about his first game and how he had such a shitty time managing his expos, running back and forth while JF could kill units in a cost effective manner. He probably did want to end the game early to not deal with it, sadly it didn't pay off.
I can't understand, why this Protoss-Map has been played twice. It's definately imbalanced agains T and Z. In my opinion the whole TSL disqualified itselve by choosing such Protoss-Maps during the whole Tournament.
So, the result will be a totally boring Final.
I suggest for the next TSL the motto should be: No Koreans and no Non-Toss-Players.
i think brat knew he has not much of a chance on WH so, just like Flash agains Bisu he should have tried to win on all other maps but he failed, generally the better player won
Brat should've just played straight up. The game on Othello he did that weird proxy factory build and didn't put the factory far away enough, and gave up the macro advantage (although he fucked up by not sieging when he had the contain at the natural). In the last set, he does 2 factory in cross positions and basically gives JF the macro advantage. Both games where Brat just played straight up, he won (including coming back brilliantly from an undisturbed 12 Nex). I really think Brat deserved this and JF got pretty lucky with 2 cross positions on wuthering. Also I'm wondering why Brat didn't thumbs down wuthering.
pls dont exaggerate everything... not every game is the best thing you have ever seen...
you really do a great job but this is just not necessary to make the game more interessting brat was fucked after loosing his 3rd exp the first time... so say that... the was almost no way to come back...
the same thing with jf on zodiac he was dead too... and you tried to make the game more interessting by saying he might come back because of 1,5k mins in the bank and killing the 6 o'clock inside base of brat
just two examples
I really like you cast but this is something you should change in my opinion the games are very very interessting anyway
On May 26 2008 07:51 Naib wrote: i can't believe so many of you voted for BRAT_OK, I mean he's fine, but JF's just so much better since he stopped DotAing with us
Well, better for my liquibet!
Go JF!
I think it would be completely different story, if JF didn't get cross positions twice
On May 26 2008 07:54 Clintwood wrote: I can't understand, why this Protoss-Map has been played twice. It's definately imbalanced agains T and Z. In my opinion the whole TSL disqualified itselve by choosing such Protoss-Maps during the whole Tournament.
So, the result will be a totally boring Final.
I suggest for the next TSL the motto should be: No Koreans and no Non-Toss-Players.
On May 26 2008 07:55 ahole-surprise wrote: Brat should've just played straight up. The game on Othello he did that weird proxy factory build and didn't put the factory far away enough, and gave up the macro advantage (although he fucked up by not sieging when he had the contain at the natural). In the last set, he does 2 factory in cross positions and basically gives JF the macro advantage. Both games where Brat just played straight up, he won (including coming back brilliantly from an undisturbed 12 Nex). I really think Brat deserved this and JF got pretty lucky with 2 cross positions on wuthering. Also I'm wondering why Brat didn't thumbs down wuthering.
I wish Brat hid that factory a little further.
I mean c'mon, it was so close :/
But JF played well with his harass, but I felt like Brat was the smarter player this series.
On May 26 2008 07:54 Clintwood wrote: I can't understand, why this Protoss-Map has been played twice. It's definately imbalanced agains T and Z. In my opinion the whole TSL disqualified itselve by choosing such Protoss-Maps during the whole Tournament.
So, the result will be a totally boring Final.
I suggest for the next TSL the motto should be: No Koreans and no Non-Toss-Players.
Wait, so you do want protoss again in the next tsl? You said, "non-toss" lol.
On May 26 2008 07:51 Naib wrote: i can't believe so many of you voted for BRAT_OK, I mean he's fine, but JF's just so much better since he stopped DotAing with us
Well, better for my liquibet!
Go JF!
I think it would be completely different story, if JF didn't get cross positions twice
Ah, stop being sore fanboys. Both players played very well. Brat had a great comeback from the 12-nexus, and JF had a great comeback from the 2-fac rush. JF just played a little better when it counted: what's wrong with giving him credit?
Wait, so you do want protoss again in the next tsl? You said, "non-toss" lol.[/QUOTE]
I said no(!) Non-Toss.
Obviously Protoss are definately preferred within the TSL. In order to make it more clear to the audience, they should state before the next tournament, that zerg and terra are not welcome. Just my 2 cents.
On May 26 2008 07:59 qrs wrote: Ah, stop being sore fanboys. Both players played very well. Brat had a great comeback from the 12-nexus, and JF had a great comeback from the 2-fac rush. JF just played a little better when it counted: what's wrong with giving him credit?
Nothing would be wront with giving him credit. But any oder double-map in this semi-finals and brat would have made the match.
To all you people who say we are going to have a boring final, DON'T WATCH IT THEN. The finals are going to be AWESOME. Such high caliber players, yeah it would be nice to see two different races but BOTH players deserve to be in the finals. Stop blaming stuff on maps. JF lost on Zodiac which is a P > T map according to statistics from the ladder stages.
Awesome work TL, GL HF to both JF and Draco next week show us some awesome games!!!!!
On May 26 2008 07:59 qrs wrote: Ah, stop being sore fanboys. Both players played very well. Brat had a great comeback from the 12-nexus, and JF had a great comeback from the 2-fac rush. JF just played a little better when it counted: what's wrong with giving him credit?
Nothing would be wront with giving him credit. But any oder double-map in this semi-finals and brat would have made the match.
Yeah, and if all of the sAviOr vs Bisu GOMTV1 games had been on Mercury, sAviOr might not be slumping now!
On May 26 2008 07:59 qrs wrote: Ah, stop being sore fanboys. Both players played very well. Brat had a great comeback from the 12-nexus, and JF had a great comeback from the 2-fac rush. JF just played a little better when it counted: what's wrong with giving him credit?
Nothing would be wront with giving him credit. But any other double-map in this semi-finals and brat would have made the match.
Well, if that's true (and it's obviously just your opinion, seeing as JF won a game on another map as well), then it's Brat's fault for choosing not to veto Wuthering Heights.
Uhh, I really can't understand this trash talk going on. I have absolutely no idea how JF survived that 2 fact rush in game 5, I thought he was dead. But he did survive and was in great position after doing so. You have to be really biased to blame the map after that, JF deserves all the credit for taking the final game.
On May 26 2008 08:01 ChoboOv wrote: To all you people who say we are going to have a boring final, DON'T WATCH IT THEN. The finals are going to be AWESOME. Such high caliber players, yeah it would be nice to see two different races but BOTH players deserve to be in the finals. Stop blaming stuff on maps. JF lost on Zodiac which is a P > T map according to statistics from the ladder stages.
Awesome work TL, GL HF to both JF and Draco next week show us some awesome games!!!!!
On May 26 2008 08:05 OctoPuSs wrote: Anyway JF vs Draco is going to be AWESOME.
Draco will propably kill him 3-0 in under 60 minutes. Of course he would have done same with brat. But that's not the point.
Personally, I think JF will take it. His PvP is pretty strong, and Draco said that PvP is his worst match-up. Anyway, we'll see, but I think you're getting too emotional that your favorite lost. Don't take it out on JF: it's not like he stomped on your favorite teddy bear or something.
There is no such things as cheese only strats but most consider cheeses early rushes to win games fast.
2 Fac is an aggressive build, but many players do NOT always use it to "end" games early. Its to do enough damage early on against the protoss so that the terran may build his cc up while forcing the p to lose some probes and kill some mining time.
There are countless examples of this on the pro scene, and who are you quoting that from?
I consider cheese to be something along the lines of do or die, using the early game factor as a crucial element in tactic.
On May 26 2008 08:17 [X]Ken_D wrote: That is the accepted defination of "cheese."
Brat did a do or die. He died. He lost after his 2 factory rush failed.
Oh for fucks sake, sAviOr lost against Firebathero because he went 3hatch before pool and didn't make any units. It was pretty do or die, so 3hatch before pool must be cheese.
In fact, sAviOr lost against Bisu while going 3hatch muta. He lost after his mutalisks failed. Sounds pretty do or die, 3hatch muta must be cheese too!
On May 26 2008 08:17 [X]Ken_D wrote: That is the accepted defination of "cheese."
Brat did a do or die. He died. He lost after his 2 factory rush failed.
No... He did pretty well with it, killed lots of probes and units. After that he was just bit late on his exp, but at that time, he was far from losing. He lost because he wasn't able to take 3rd or push to JF's expos - due to multiple paths on map. And of course, JF played well.
this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
i'm not a draco fan. i'm just being realistic. as much as i hate pvp finals, i'd love to see jf taking this, but i simply don't see that possibility. unfortunately i think it won't even be close.
Why are people getting so bent out of shape about a pvp final? Just watch the third place match and pretend it's the final. Either way, there would've been a pvp in the final or the third place match.
I don't understand all these dumbasses who are crying about a PvP finals, screaming about how Brat_OK would have been a better match for the finals.
If Draco is SO >>> than JF like these whiners are saying, wtf would be the point of seeing Brat_OK vs Draco?? Does anyone else see how illogical that is?? So Brat loses 2-3 to JF in TvP, yet, it would be somehow better for him to play Draco in the same MU??
Wouldn't that just mean people get to see Brat_OK horribly owned in the finals and give Draco a free win? The man who claims to not practice? What kind of logic is that?
Mondi got pimpslapped by Dreiven. Dreiven then goes on to get horribly owned vs Brat_OK. JF then lays the smack down on Brat. But somehow, in this circuitous logic, Mondi vs Draco would be this grand spectacle?? Why don't these whiners just come out and say "I hate Protoss and I have low IQ?" It'd save everyone time.
On May 26 2008 11:40 EGoldman wrote: I don't understand all these dumbasses who are crying about a PvP finals, screaming about how Brat_OK would have been a better match for the finals.
If Draco is SO >>> than JF like these whiners are saying, wtf would be the point of seeing Brat_OK vs Draco?? Does anyone else see how illogical that is?? So Brat loses 2-3 to JF in TvP, yet, it would be somehow better for him to play Draco in the same MU??
Wouldn't that just mean people get to see Brat_OK horribly owned in the finals and give Draco a free win? The man who claims to not practice? What kind of logic is that?
Mondi got pimpslapped by Dreiven. Dreiven then goes on to get horribly owned vs Brat_OK. JF then lays the smack down on Brat. But somehow, in this circuitous logic, Mondi vs Draco would be this grand spectacle?? Why don't these whiners just come out and say "I hate Protoss and I have low IQ?" It'd save everyone time.
On May 26 2008 11:40 EGoldman wrote: I don't understand all these dumbasses who are crying about a PvP finals, screaming about how Brat_OK would have been a better match for the finals.
If Draco is SO >>> than JF like these whiners are saying, wtf would be the point of seeing Brat_OK vs Draco?? Does anyone else see how illogical that is?? So Brat loses 2-3 to JF in TvP, yet, it would be somehow better for him to play Draco in the same MU??
Wouldn't that just mean people get to see Brat_OK horribly owned in the finals and give Draco a free win? The man who claims to not practice? What kind of logic is that?
Mondi got pimpslapped by Dreiven. Dreiven then goes on to get horribly owned vs Brat_OK. JF then lays the smack down on Brat. But somehow, in this circuitous logic, Mondi vs Draco would be this grand spectacle?? Why don't these whiners just come out and say "I hate Protoss and I have low IQ?" It'd save everyone time.
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
Go watch Ascension and then come back and say that again.
Anyone who complains about imba maps is retarded, because Brat had every chance to veto Wuthering and he didn't. Secondly, looking at the Korean league stats, Wuthering is very much a Terran dominant map.
On May 26 2008 11:40 EGoldman wrote: I don't understand all these dumbasses who are crying about a PvP finals, screaming about how Brat_OK would have been a better match for the finals.
If Draco is SO >>> than JF like these whiners are saying, wtf would be the point of seeing Brat_OK vs Draco?? Does anyone else see how illogical that is?? So Brat loses 2-3 to JF in TvP, yet, it would be somehow better for him to play Draco in the same MU??
Wouldn't that just mean people get to see Brat_OK horribly owned in the finals and give Draco a free win? The man who claims to not practice? What kind of logic is that?
Mondi got pimpslapped by Dreiven. Dreiven then goes on to get horribly owned vs Brat_OK. JF then lays the smack down on Brat. But somehow, in this circuitous logic, Mondi vs Draco would be this grand spectacle?? Why don't these whiners just come out and say "I hate Protoss and I have low IQ?" It'd save everyone time.
LMFAO this post does not show no irony it shows nothing but opinion....And I love it....Man I had a full weekend that I didn't get to see any of the games....Good thing is thou I have 4 new numbers for bitches that range from a 7.85-9.25 in rankings.....I get to ditch the other two broads I been talking too if these other 4 are somewhat in my division of being by my side.....
Anyways next week I won't be able to see the finals, I'll be down in San Antonio's last week of Mayfest....Should be fun times...
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
You should run your own 2 person tournament called the "ffs invite" and invite the two players you think would make the best finals.
On May 26 2008 08:55 ffs wrote: this sucks. pvp may actually be draco's worst matchup but overall he's just so much better than jf. the finals are going to suck balls. i'm still pissed because of mondi being thrown out, draco vs mondi finals would have been 100 times more entertaining than this shit.
You should run your own 2 person tournament called the "ffs invite" and invite the two players you think would make the best finals.
Draco FTW! Draco deserve this prize 100% for how much of his life he gave to BW! He is an outstanding player and a nice guy and i am looking forward to see the finals!
Again and again ... GREAT EVENT! Congratulation to the staff!
Great games today (yesterday). Even though the final is PvP, I'm glad JF won because I think he has a better chance of winning vs. Draco than Brat would. JF's PvP is really quite amazing and probably his best matchup.
On May 26 2008 18:35 Devolved wrote: Great games today (yesterday). Even though the final is PvP, I'm glad JF won because I think he has a better chance of winning vs. Draco than Brat would. JF's PvP is really quite amazing and probably his best matchup.
Hm I dont think so. Honestly I think both of them stand no chance against Draco, he is on another level. Imho all of the players who would stand a chance against Draco knocked out themselves in tough brackets while jf got quite lucky with the brackets. Unfortunately I can't imagine it will be as close as Draco vs White-Ra. Although I think it will not be quite as one-sided as Nony vs Draco. Probably 3-1 for Draco.
the games were sooo intense.. holy cow! good show by both players really.. only ballsy balls last game was cool because JF looked so dead in that early rush and then it totally swept around... he demolished him utterly and schooled him like a little boy how to play this map pvt... the better player won i have to admit, but still credit to bratok
On May 26 2008 19:52 qet wrote: wuthering heights sucks! unfair to play it twice
reading comprehension not your strong suit ? At least 10 people have said already that the players could pick one map that CANT be played twice, brat didnt pick wuthering.
JianFei CAN beat Draco. People seem to think Draco lives on another plane where he can't lose. PvP is a volatile, random matchup. Draco looked very solid against Nony, but shaky against White-Ra.
After seeing Draco's games against Nony and White-Ra, I can't see how you'd think draco will beat JF 3-0... Nony surely was playing a lot worse than I've seen him play PvP and still pretty much had 2 of the 3 games in the bag, but lost due to stupid mistakes. And White-Ra, although I really am a fan, is nowhere near JF's level in that particular matchup.
Seriously, if you haven't, watch the Ascension games. JF is a monster, especially in PvP.
On May 26 2008 19:52 qet wrote: wuthering heights sucks! unfair to play it twice
reading comprehension not your strong suit ? At least 10 people have said already that the players could pick one map that CANT be played twice, brat didnt pick wuthering.
all suits are strong for me. no matter what card you play, i trump it. i didn't read the 32 pages of comments.
ok, so now i wonder why brat didn't veto wuthering. i guess there was some plan behind it...
also, why not play 5 different maps? eg: game 1 on a well established, balanced map like python or something? i guess i should be glad no games were on troy - that map sucks!
On May 26 2008 19:52 qet wrote: wuthering heights sucks! unfair to play it twice
reading comprehension not your strong suit ? At least 10 people have said already that the players could pick one map that CANT be played twice, brat didnt pick wuthering.
all suits are strong for me. no matter what card you play, i trump it. i didn't read the 32 pages of comments.
ok, so now i wonder why brat didn't veto wuthering. i guess there was some plan behind it...
also, why not play 5 different maps? eg: game 1 on a well established, balanced map like python or something? i guess i should be glad no games were on troy - that map sucks!
On May 26 2008 19:52 qet wrote: wuthering heights sucks! unfair to play it twice
reading comprehension not your strong suit ? At least 10 people have said already that the players could pick one map that CANT be played twice, brat didnt pick wuthering.
all suits are strong for me. no matter what card you play, i trump it. i didn't read the 32 pages of comments.
ok, so now i wonder why brat didn't veto wuthering. i guess there was some plan behind it...
also, why not play 5 different maps? eg: game 1 on a well established, balanced map like python or something? i guess i should be glad no games were on troy - that map sucks!
nothing personal against you but i just got so pissed off at seeing someone post that for the 10th time
On May 27 2008 00:18 OneOther wrote: Why do people overrate Draco so much?
Maybe because of this: # 3rd place, GGL AmeriCup # 1st place, TANL-3 # 1st place, Rymarov Spring 2007 # 2nd place, ToT invite. # 2nd place, Eurocup. # 1st place, WCG Poland 2006 # 1st Place, DreamHack 2006 # 1st place, ESPGL # 2nd place WCG Poland 2004 # 2nd Place TANL-2 # 1st Place Rymarov Spring 2005 # 1st Place Rymarov Summer 2005 # 1st Place Warsaw Game Show 2005 # 3rd place PGR21 And much more.
I don't think IefNaij is so much better than White-Ra or Nony.
On May 27 2008 00:18 OneOther wrote: I think JF will beat Draco. Monsterrr very nice games
Why do people overrate Draco so much?
Might be because: 1) He ranked #2 on the ladder and the #1 player is off.
2) He just made it to the finals of TSL. That would mean he is top 2 in the star league. He would be rated #1 or #2 overall depending on the outcome.
3) He looked extremely tight against Strelok and Nony and we know both those guys are great players.
4) He has very good credentials throughout his Broodwar career.
I don't know if anyone is saying JF is bad or anything, but Draco has to be considered one of the top players outside of South Korea based off of the results he has posted in TSL. No matter what happens he is one of the top 2, and I would expect about 60% of the fanbase to pick him to win.
JF vs Draco will be a good match, but I can't understand why people think Draco will 3-0 him. I guess its possible, but I don't see it as likely. Draco had a close, 3-2 series against White Ra, and JF dominated White Ra when they played in Ascension.
EPT
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Excello.IefNaij
thats opnly improvement needed next TSL 
and trail mix ;]
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