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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-08 04:38:56
February 08 2008 04:22 GMT
#1
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image courtesy of KizZBG

StarChallenge 2008 Season 1 Group A
11 February 2008, 1830 KST/0130PST @ OnGameNet


For the first group of this StarChallenge, we have four players from four teams representing all three races. A nice, well-rounded group of solid players on a peculiar mapset – let’s see how it’ll likely shape up. Winner advances to the OSC playoffs, where he’ll have a chance to get the third seed in the next OSL. Group runner-up goes to the next ODT, where he has a chance to qualify for the next OSL. Third and fourth? Better luck next time; they drop to offline qualifiers.

It can be a bit confusing, so here’s a clarifying image:
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image courtesy of Hot_Bid and KizZBG

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The Players


(Z)Sea.Jy
< Katrina > (P)free[gm]

Jy is here from the previous StarChallenge, having gone 1-2. Free advanced from PSL 2-0 over (T)Miracle, 2-0 over (P)Nbs[gm], and 2-1 over everyone’s most-hated KTF, (T)Hery[Hyo].

You know what? I’ve figured out why Katrina is so +Protoss. It’s because Protoss has psionic storm. Must be Bush’s fault. Zerg is 13-26 against Protoss; exactly two losses for every dearly-bought win. IntoTheWow’s favorite black-Zerg, however, sports a rather dashing 6-2 ZvP record, with two wins over (P)Reach himself. He even scalped Best on Katrina, proving that ZvP on this map is not an entirely hopeless affair.

Free is a mere 5-5 against Zerg recently, and is actually 1-2 against the Overmind on this battleground. All in all, despite the map and the relative eminence of Free, I see this upcoming game as closer than most will give it credit for. Free with the slight edge, but only because of Katrina. I wouldn’t be overly surprised if Jy were to take it down.

(T)Casy
< Katrina > (P)BestGod

Both advanced to StarChallenge through the last OGN Offlines: Casy perfect against (P)Rage, (Z)Clay[fOu], and (P)Reach; BestGod lossless against (P)TT, (P)Hon_GoZip, and (P)Pusan.

Katrina’s horrible PvZ stats are matched only by its atrocious PvT numbers. Adun’s race sports an amazing 20-7 against Terra’s defenders, for a cumulative 74.1% PvT record. Fast carriers really are instant-win here. However, as in the previous match, the map will not determine everything. Look at BestGod – 1-3 against Terrans on television. Furthermore, he’s only played Protosses to get past offlines. While a 2-0 over Pusan bodes well if he were to face free, it’s not exactly a convincing anti-Terran resume.

Casy went 2-0 against Protosses on Katrina, even besting my favorite mullyang Toss along the way. Despite a 1-9 record in his past ten TvPs, I have reason to believe his TvP has a chance compared to the “please don’t pick Protoss” Casy of before. In PCBang, he refused to have his games televised, and to me that is evidence that he has a secret Protoss-killer build prepared. I give SJM’s wonderboy the advantage here despite his terrible TvP and the terrible map.

Winners' Game
?
<Troy> ?


Who the hell knows what’s going to happen? Even though the first two maps are so imbalanced, the players’ natures makes the result hazy. Troy is 2-0 TvZ, 2-2 PvT, and 2-0 ZvP. The sample size and gimmicky nature of the map preclude solid balance statements as of yet, so the outcome will hinge on who brings the better play and/or better strategy.

Free is average PvT (26-24, 5-5 in last 10). Casy is weak TvP. Will this be a comedy of errors? Protoss seems to have a good number of PvT options on this map, if we look at what (P)BeSt[HyO] did against (T)Sea and what (P)Much did against (T)FrOzean. Still, Terran has two wins as well – it’s not overtly imbalanced as of yet. Simply because Casy’s TvP is that bad, I’d give Free the nod here.

Losers' Game
?
<Troy> ?


As I said before, ZvP is most likely Jy’s best matchup. As sAviOr’s teammate, he undoubtedly has solid instruction against the Khala empire. This map also seems healthy for ZvP at first glance, if only because Zerg mobility exceeds that of Protoss. Furthermore, Zerg has easily defensible expansions if it but kills the assimilators, whereas Zerg drop ability makes Protoss multis less defensible. BestGod is a wildcard, though, since he’s only played one televised PvZ in the past couple years. I would expect a Jy victory if this draw occurs.

Final Game
?
<Blue Storm> ?

To clear all possibilities: Protoss is even against Terran here, 20-19. Zerg trumps Terran 32-15, and has the slight edge against Protoss 26-18. Protoss is 21-21 against Protoss.

Here has way too many possible matchups, but I’m guessing Casy vs Jy is most likely. Jy sports a lackluster 6-12 lifetime ZvT, and is 2-8 in his last ten. What’s worse, one of his pair of wins came against the now-retired MBC commentator (T)Yooi. AdamaS, on the other hand, inherited the flaming TvZ style of (T)Sync and the bionic control of (T)The Emperor himself. His recent 4-6 is uninspiring, but the fact that three losses came against bonjwa-(Z)sAviOr and two came against Daum Champion (Z)GGPlay mitigates his failings somewhat. Casy would be the strong favorite in this battle, but the imbalanced map could swing it in Jy’s favor.

I would bet on free/Casy to advance, as are most I suppose. Jy is the more likely spoiler, but BestGod has a shot with some luck.

I tried to incorporate some of the feedback, but I'd already written most of this one before posting the other one. I'll be experimenting with a different format for the Survivor Group B preview; we'll see how that works. Feedback is welcomed.

Love and Luck,
LR
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
February 08 2008 04:27 GMT
#2
Nice LR, pretty much clean and clear is how I would describe it.

I personally think Free and Jy will advance, with Jy beating Casy on Blue Storm.
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
February 08 2008 04:30 GMT
#3
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eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-08 04:37:32
February 08 2008 04:32 GMT
#4
Nice banner KizZBG. I'll edit it in.

Oh, by the way: I tried to include a TLPD-ize once for each player/map mentioned. Is that better, or should I omit them entirely except for the players actually present that playday?
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
February 08 2008 04:37 GMT
#5
Did Casy really refuse to have his games televised? He's gotta be cookin' something up
Thanks for the writeup LR.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 08 2008 04:39 GMT
#6
On February 08 2008 13:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Did Casy really refuse to have his games televised? He's gotta be cookin' something up


Yes, both Casy and Anytime refused to be broadcasted IIRC
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-08 04:51:33
February 08 2008 04:48 GMT
#7
On February 08 2008 13:32 Last Romantic wrote:
Nice banner KizZBG. I'll edit it in.

Oh, by the way: I tried to include a TLPD-ize once for each player/map mentioned. Is that better, or should I omit them entirely except for the players actually present that playday?


Interesting read.
I think its a little weird when other players are TLPD-ized but the players in mention aren't (ie. Jy or Free). I think it should be all or none in the paragraphs.

edit: Casy's picture looks weird, maybe i should look for one in his new WeMade uniform.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17730 Posts
February 08 2008 05:15 GMT
#8
CASY COME BACK
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 08 2008 07:02 GMT
#9
On February 08 2008 13:48 pachi wrote:
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On February 08 2008 13:32 Last Romantic wrote:
Nice banner KizZBG. I'll edit it in.

Oh, by the way: I tried to include a TLPD-ize once for each player/map mentioned. Is that better, or should I omit them entirely except for the players actually present that playday?


Interesting read.
I think its a little weird when other players are TLPD-ized but the players in mention aren't (ie. Jy or Free). I think it should be all or none in the paragraphs.

edit: Casy's picture looks weird, maybe i should look for one in his new WeMade uniform.


The problem with none is that it's too text-heavy and looks rather bland.

The problem with all is that it becomes super-cluttered with little race images.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
February 09 2008 05:08 GMT
#10
On February 08 2008 13:39 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2008 13:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Did Casy really refuse to have his games televised? He's gotta be cookin' something up


Yes, both Casy and Anytime refused to be broadcasted IIRC


Why is this? I never heard of such a thing -_-
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
February 09 2008 05:08 GMT
#11
Go Jy! This group doesn't look impossible for him. I hope he performs well :D
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
February 09 2008 06:43 GMT
#12
Last Romantic, you're a great writer, but the best part of the article was the image that explains the OSL. I'm still a bit fuzzy on it, but it makes so much more sense now. However, after reading this, I'm a bit worried about some of my liquibet points
Force staff is the best item in the game.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
February 09 2008 06:48 GMT
#13
Thanks for the write up LR.
I'm thinkin Free/Jy are gonna qualify unless Casy is in shape that is
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
February 09 2008 08:03 GMT
#14
Casy/Free imo!
w/e
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
February 09 2008 10:14 GMT
#15
"Protoss is 21-21 against Protoss."

Nice one :D
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Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
February 09 2008 14:00 GMT
#16
I hope Casy will come out on top from that group and this will be the beginning of his comeback - with new, better TvP .
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
February 09 2008 14:05 GMT
#17
Casy's reasons for not having that game broadcasted make me very interested by this group. His anti P strategy must be very important to him.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7225 Posts
February 09 2008 15:27 GMT
#18
I'll never vote Casy to advance in a group with 2 protoss players, especially when Katrina is in the map pool.
日本語が分かりますか
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
February 09 2008 16:11 GMT
#19
The road to the OSL is so confusing
I will eat you alive
nAi.CyrAx
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States122 Posts
February 10 2008 01:21 GMT
#20
that is the most confusing graphic ever
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