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2007 GomTV3 MSL - Nov 1 - Ro8A

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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-04 03:34:51
November 04 2007 00:47 GMT
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MSL Ro8 Match A
November 1st, 2007


Match A - Mind vs. TheManiaMST
Game 1 - Python
Game 2 - Zodiac
Game 3 - Blue SStorm
Game 4 - Loki II
Game 5 - Python

Results
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Match A - Mind 3 - 1 TheManiaMST
Game 1 - Mind > TheManiaMST on Python
Game 2 - Mind < TheManiaMST on Zodiac
Game 3 - Mind > TheManiaMST on Blue Storm
Game 4 - Mind > TheManiaMST on Loki II
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I woke up Thursday morning with a grimace on my face. Thursday, Fridays and Saturdays are usually days I wake up excited, eager to find out which warrior emerged victorious from today’s MSL/OSL. But today, I wake up knowing I will have at least 3 TvT’s to watch, and if God wanted to be cruel, possibly 5.

Game 1 - Mind vs. TheManiaMST on Python


Looking at statistics only, Mind is clearly the favorite to win. Having gotten to the Quarter Finals with NOTHING but TvT’s to play, Mind has shown some fair statistics, going 4-2, with 2 of those wins coming from Oov himself. Meanwhile, TheManiaMST’s statistics were showing an awesome 0-5 TvT record. Quite an embarrassing record for something who just 2-0’d July the round before.

Both players opened with a fast expansions build, but a slip from Mania quickly tipped the game. Having lost a minor vulture battle at the start of the game, Mind rushes in with 4 vultures, getting a fair amount of SCV kills in the process. From there the game was downhill for Mania. With a stronger economy Mind kept up the pressure with dropships, and continued to pound on Mania until Mania was forced to his knees.

Game 2 - Mind vs. TheManiaMST on Zodiac



Mind decides to play a wild card and opens with a 1 fac 1 starport build, a build that isn’t used nearly as often as it once was. Though the early wraiths did little more than killing a handful of SCVs, it later proved to be much more effective when only 2 wraiths found 2 defenseless dropships and shot them down.

But the small lead was not enough to end the game. Mania continues to add dropships and Mind soon follows suit. With both players expanding and playing a fairly normal TvT game (which means boring), dropping, defending, expanding and…. Well you know the drill. The game nears an end as Mania succeeds in securing and protecting a crucial expansion at 9, while Mind fails to take more expansions. In the end Mania took the better positions, and outplayed Mind… just barely.


Game 3 - Mind vs. TheManiaMST on Blue Storm



An interesting scene is unravels early as both players send out an early SCV, most likely for a sort of proxy rush. Unfortunately the two mischievous SCVs greet each other in the middle of the map, and both are forced to abandon their strats and opt for a regular opening.

Mania decides to play around with Wraiths, while Mind opens with a normal tanks+gols to dropship build (after the expansion, of course). The two players share minor skirmishes, none dealing any critical damage. Mind then pulls out the first real strike as he flies in 4 dropships into the main of Mania. Mania had sieged his tanks in the middle of the map at the time, preparing for a standoff at the mid-section, and ultimately allowing little defense in his main, where the real battle was ensuing.

The drop proved to be effective as Mind gained massive SCV kills, and from then on Mind stuck to his advantage, denying multiple expansion attempts of Mania until Mania once again admits defeat.

Game 4 - Mind vs. TheManiaMST on Loki II



Game 4 on Loki II was the longest game of the series, yet was probably the most accurate display of the player’s skills. Mind, after opening with a fast expansion, proxies 2 factories outside his base, attempting an early vultures rush, with a fast dropship to boot. Mania meanwhile plays fairly normal, and choosing his method of harrassment as a goliath drop. Both players drop units (4 gols for Mania, 4 vults for Mind) in each other’s base, and precedes to wreak havoc. Both defend the drops without a fair amount of damage, but the key point is that while Mania played relatively normal, having a 2nd expansion ready, while Mind had opened with proxy facts, putting him at a disadvantage.

But Mania fails to do much with the lead. As Mind expands his territory across the map, putting up turrets and sieging tanks, Mania flies his dropships back and forth looking for an opening. Mind continues to fortify his posts to buy time, while he takes his expansions to catch up to Mania. The game lasts for an extra 20 minutes with both players making minor moves, while taking the expansion….. Mania continues to look for opening and does succeed in a few drops, but Mind proves to be a tough opponent as he bounces right back into the game.

The game turns around as a few Wraiths of Mind’s plays a crucial roll in various battles. Hunting down defenseless tanks, restricting air space for Mania’s dropships to move in, and acting as patrol units, the wraiths prove to be much help for Mind. In the end Mania fails to keep his advantage for long, and allows Mind to take the game from under his fingers.

Overall Analysis:
As predicted, this wasn’t the most exciting matches in the MSL. Both players played fairly well, but neither stood out as anything special, to me, at least. But Mind proves to be the better TvT player as he takes 3 games away from Mania while only letting 1 away. And with this victory, Mind now must face the Maestro in the semi finals. I’m personally looking forward to the thrashing the Maestro will give this undeserving lad with a fairly good TvT and a lucky draw.
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
November 04 2007 00:50 GMT
#2
maestro will rape mind
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
November 04 2007 00:59 GMT
#3
thank you for writing this up
the pain to watch 4 TvT's, none of them someone that you'd consider 'my favorite player'
thanks :D
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
November 04 2007 01:03 GMT
#4
It's funny that none of the supposedly 'good' terrans like Hwasin, Light, Oov, etc made it to the RO4.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
November 04 2007 05:46 GMT
#5
Savior will crush Mind, with his mind. sry.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
November 04 2007 06:47 GMT
#6
An entertaining read, I say it was worth watching 4 TvT .

It would be nice if Mind won over sAviOr, but I don't think Maestro's skill went that much down. He'll win over Mind, maybe just barely, but his experience will be crucial.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Muell
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany89 Posts
November 04 2007 08:44 GMT
#7
yeah well written, the last sentence kind of sums it up for the lazy reader...
best sc:bw player alive: IPXZerg aka sAviOr
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
November 04 2007 09:49 GMT
#8
Maestro vs Mind should be interesting, I expect it wont be a rape ;S
- Death is certain, life is not -
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
November 04 2007 10:27 GMT
#9
well the second game wasnt that bad... thot it was ok
i think savior will beat mind too
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Stegosaur
Profile Joined May 2007
Netherlands1231 Posts
November 04 2007 13:45 GMT
#10
I like mind, but I hope he won't become the next FBH with only TvT wins. I guess the games vs Savior will show us what he's really made of =)
O_o
droespowa
Profile Joined October 2007
Belgium1 Post
November 04 2007 15:01 GMT
#11
FBH did win from SaviOr once.
upon reflexion, life is refreshing!
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
November 04 2007 15:36 GMT
#12
Undeserving? wtf? How in the world is he "undeserving"? He beat monster oov in a bo3 and then beat someone who 2-0'ed july and he's undeserving? I don't know if u mean that because he hasn't played any TvZ's up until this point that he might not have that much experience but undeserving doesn't fit into this context IMO. I think he truely earned it espcially after the mind-boggling comeback performance he displayed in game 4 vs TheManiaMST.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 04 2007 15:36 GMT
#13
"I’m personally looking forward to the thrashing the Maestro will give this undeserving lad with a fairly good TvT and a lucky draw."

Well said. Mind really pulled a Silver this tournament. Even he knows it was never ment to be.

His TvT is tight though.

Nice read, thanks L2W. I can't give the time to watch everything nowadays, so this BRs are a solid replacement.
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
November 04 2007 15:47 GMT
#14
On November 05 2007 00:36 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Undeserving? wtf? How in the world is he "undeserving"? He beat monster oov in a bo3 and then beat someone who 2-0'ed july and he's undeserving? I don't know if u mean that because he hasn't played any TvZ's up until this point that he might not have that much experience but undeserving doesn't fit into this context IMO. I think he truely earned it espcially after the mind-boggling comeback performance he displayed in game 4 vs TheManiaMST.

He got to the top 4 with 10 TvT's only. Not a single TvZ, not a single TvP. His TvT games showed a good bit of solidity, but not much.

His Ro32 matches were against Shine, Hwasin, then Shine again. He beat Shine twice and lost to Hwasin, which proves he's better than average, but not as good as Hwasin. He then beat Oov in a bo3... that probably is his greatest accomplishment, but in all honesty Oov just doesn't play like the "monster" he was suppose to be. Game 1 Oov was completely owning with macro but Shine just barely stayed in the game. Many were wondering why Oov didn't just finish him off instead of letting him come back. Game 3 Oov had a huge economic advantage and did nothing to utilize it. Then comes his Bo5 vs Mania, who beat GoRush and July yea.... says a lot about his TvZ and I'd be impressed if Mind beat him with ZvT. But he beat him with TvT, and Mania is 0-5 in that (and now 1-8).
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 04 2007 21:26 GMT
#15
At least, let's thank him for knocking out all of those Terrans
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hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
November 04 2007 21:49 GMT
#16
mind will crush savior.
remember my words.
you forgot that south korea supports hwasin. why lecaf oz was 8-0 in proleague? answer: experience and dedication. there is no mystery or trick. korean proleague is made of starcraft champions.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
November 04 2007 22:37 GMT
#17
No, "mindgodlysense" would be a shitty user name.

Savior will win.
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CustomXSpunjah
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1093 Posts
November 04 2007 22:43 GMT
#18
Mind's gonna rape savior
beware, the rise of the Protoss is upon us!
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 05 2007 00:40 GMT
#19
On November 05 2007 07:37 SonuvBob wrote:
No, "mindgodlysense" would be a shitty user name.


yeah, no kidding.

Mind vs Mania was one of those times where CJ autovotes loses you a point
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
November 05 2007 23:20 GMT
#20
On November 05 2007 06:26 Caller wrote:
At least, let's thank him for knocking out all of those Terrans
yes i'm so glad that a terran advanced instead of a terran

oh wait
aaaaa
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