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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 03 2013 08:50 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:01 Dodgin wrote:I knew some people were going to complain about TL getting international team of the year, but if you actually look at the data then It's irrefutable. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/TeamYearlyStartale passed TL at the last moment by getting both first and second in Blizzard Cup. TL earned by far the most medals of any " international " team this year. ( someone mentioned EG, lol, EG is 15th on this list. ) by the way, the mini title says " GSTL finals: FXO vs MVP on the front page instead of 2012 TL awards. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EdwTK.png) i don't think anybody's gonna deny that Taeja and HerO (but especially Taeja) did amazing in 2012, but that doesn't really qualify for best 'team' imo, especially best 'international' team when those guys are two koreans. 2 of TL's foreigners quit starcraft this year and all the others have been in huge slumps. TLO did somewhat decent i guess, but he's not exactly a world champion either. Zenio didn't do anything all year despite being korean. EG might not have a Taeja-level player (in fact they certainly don't), but they a lot more strong players than TL: Stephano, Thorzain, JYP, Demuslim, Puma, Jaedong, to some degree even Idra and Huk all did better than any of the TL foreigners in 2012. i guess Revival doesn't really count for EG yet. on top of all these solid players, you also have crowd favorites like Stephano, Idra, Incontrol, Jaedong, Huk, somewhat Demuslim and Thorzain... who does TL really have that is popular in terms of personality? Hero and TLO. what i'm saying is, some players on TL had VERY impressive results in 2012, but it doesn't really feel like a team's accomplishments when it's just Taeja winning everything with Hero adding a few titles. even the team leagues were basically won by Taeja.
One for All and All for One.
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so very well done. the proffesionalism of TL never ceases to amaze me. a great write up.
at the end its credited to fionn, i assume he wrote the hole thing? he has a great talent for writing : )
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Tl won international team of the year?
Kinda ironic, as I don't think they had a single non-korean player do well in 2012, along with not winning any teamleagues.
Oh wait this is TEAMLIQUID.NET. How could I forget.
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I agree with pretty much everything, however I believe DRG was definitely the player of the year.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
Look what you've done TL
원이삭 @SC2_PartinG
i leave ST
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Strange that Parting wins so many awards and yet is completely absent from the final, Player of the Year, award. I agree Life takes the cake, however a strong argument could be made for Parting.
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Soooo good. I wish there was a Kong of the year category. It would go to hyun or violet. Online player of the year goes to Hyun...which should of won something considering his amazing year.
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United States33712 Posts
On January 03 2013 09:11 Asha` wrote:
Look what you've done TL
원이삭 @SC2_PartinG
i leave ST
ah what the fuck
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inb4partingjoins TL.... Would explain why parting got pretty much every award.
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On January 03 2013 08:50 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:01 Dodgin wrote:I knew some people were going to complain about TL getting international team of the year, but if you actually look at the data then It's irrefutable. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/TeamYearlyStartale passed TL at the last moment by getting both first and second in Blizzard Cup. TL earned by far the most medals of any " international " team this year. ( someone mentioned EG, lol, EG is 15th on this list. ) by the way, the mini title says " GSTL finals: FXO vs MVP on the front page instead of 2012 TL awards. i don't think anybody's gonna deny that Taeja and HerO (but especially Taeja) did amazing in 2012, but that doesn't really qualify for best 'team' imo, especially best 'international' team when those guys are two koreans. 2 of TL's foreigners quit starcraft this year and all the others have been in huge slumps. TLO did somewhat decent i guess, but he's not exactly a world champion either. Zenio didn't do anything all year despite being korean. EG might not have a Taeja-level player (in fact they certainly don't), but they a lot more strong players than TL: Stephano, Thorzain, JYP, Demuslim, Puma, Jaedong, to some degree even Idra and Huk all did better than any of the TL foreigners in 2012. i guess Revival doesn't really count for EG yet. on top of all these solid players, you also have crowd favorites like Stephano, Idra, Incontrol, Jaedong, Huk, somewhat Demuslim and Thorzain... who does TL really have that is popular in terms of personality? Hero and TLO. what i'm saying is, some players on TL had VERY impressive results in 2012, but it doesn't really feel like a team's accomplishments when it's just Taeja winning everything with Hero adding a few titles. even the team leagues were basically won by Taeja.
It's based on results, not by how popular the players are. EG can keep buying popular players but it didn't work at giving them gold medals. Nazgul saw the potential in TaeJa and grabbed him, it paid off. It's that simple, really.
On January 03 2013 09:05 Misacampo wrote:
Tl won international team of the year?
Kinda ironic, as I don't think they had a single non-korean player do well in 2012, along with not winning any teamleagues.
Oh wait this is TEAMLIQUID.NET. How could I forget.
If you're going to get mad at least have the facts right, TL won two team leagues and placed second in another.
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no players to watch this time? 
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Great write up!
One small correction, however: In the third last paragraph "Facing adversary..." should be "Facing adversity..."
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On January 03 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:50 Schelim wrote:On January 03 2013 08:01 Dodgin wrote:I knew some people were going to complain about TL getting international team of the year, but if you actually look at the data then It's irrefutable. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/TeamYearlyStartale passed TL at the last moment by getting both first and second in Blizzard Cup. TL earned by far the most medals of any " international " team this year. ( someone mentioned EG, lol, EG is 15th on this list. ) by the way, the mini title says " GSTL finals: FXO vs MVP on the front page instead of 2012 TL awards. i don't think anybody's gonna deny that Taeja and HerO (but especially Taeja) did amazing in 2012, but that doesn't really qualify for best 'team' imo, especially best 'international' team when those guys are two koreans. 2 of TL's foreigners quit starcraft this year and all the others have been in huge slumps. TLO did somewhat decent i guess, but he's not exactly a world champion either. Zenio didn't do anything all year despite being korean. EG might not have a Taeja-level player (in fact they certainly don't), but they a lot more strong players than TL: Stephano, Thorzain, JYP, Demuslim, Puma, Jaedong, to some degree even Idra and Huk all did better than any of the TL foreigners in 2012. i guess Revival doesn't really count for EG yet. on top of all these solid players, you also have crowd favorites like Stephano, Idra, Incontrol, Jaedong, Huk, somewhat Demuslim and Thorzain... who does TL really have that is popular in terms of personality? Hero and TLO. what i'm saying is, some players on TL had VERY impressive results in 2012, but it doesn't really feel like a team's accomplishments when it's just Taeja winning everything with Hero adding a few titles. even the team leagues were basically won by Taeja. It's based on results, not by how popular the players are. EG can keep buying popular players but it didn't work at giving them gold medals. Nazgul saw the potential in TaeJa and grabbed him, it paid off. It's that simple, really. Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:05 Misacampo wrote:
Tl won international team of the year?
Kinda ironic, as I don't think they had a single non-korean player do well in 2012, along with not winning any teamleagues.
Oh wait this is TEAMLIQUID.NET. How could I forget. If you're going to get mad at least have the facts right, TL won two team leagues and placed second in another.
Team Taeja* I didn't see any INTERNATIONAL team win two team leagues and place second in another.
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You know what's really confusing (and possibly troubling for the foreign scene)? There really isn't any major "foreign" teams left. TL, EG, Fnatic etc. all picked up Korean aces, and now the majority of these teams accomplishments are won by these Koreans (I guess one exception is EG, since Stephano is an outlier in terms of performance.) Even Acer picked up MMA and Cella recently, so they can't be considered purely foreign anymore either. I guess a few "foreign" teams such as Rox still exist, but they are far and few.
Nowadays, it seems silly to differentiate between Korean and International teams. Hell, why are we even so fixated on the Korean-foreigner divide anyways?
Anyways, it's surprising how quickly 2012 went by.
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On January 03 2013 09:23 Misacampo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote:On January 03 2013 08:50 Schelim wrote:On January 03 2013 08:01 Dodgin wrote:I knew some people were going to complain about TL getting international team of the year, but if you actually look at the data then It's irrefutable. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/TeamYearlyStartale passed TL at the last moment by getting both first and second in Blizzard Cup. TL earned by far the most medals of any " international " team this year. ( someone mentioned EG, lol, EG is 15th on this list. ) by the way, the mini title says " GSTL finals: FXO vs MVP on the front page instead of 2012 TL awards. i don't think anybody's gonna deny that Taeja and HerO (but especially Taeja) did amazing in 2012, but that doesn't really qualify for best 'team' imo, especially best 'international' team when those guys are two koreans. 2 of TL's foreigners quit starcraft this year and all the others have been in huge slumps. TLO did somewhat decent i guess, but he's not exactly a world champion either. Zenio didn't do anything all year despite being korean. EG might not have a Taeja-level player (in fact they certainly don't), but they a lot more strong players than TL: Stephano, Thorzain, JYP, Demuslim, Puma, Jaedong, to some degree even Idra and Huk all did better than any of the TL foreigners in 2012. i guess Revival doesn't really count for EG yet. on top of all these solid players, you also have crowd favorites like Stephano, Idra, Incontrol, Jaedong, Huk, somewhat Demuslim and Thorzain... who does TL really have that is popular in terms of personality? Hero and TLO. what i'm saying is, some players on TL had VERY impressive results in 2012, but it doesn't really feel like a team's accomplishments when it's just Taeja winning everything with Hero adding a few titles. even the team leagues were basically won by Taeja. It's based on results, not by how popular the players are. EG can keep buying popular players but it didn't work at giving them gold medals. Nazgul saw the potential in TaeJa and grabbed him, it paid off. It's that simple, really. On January 03 2013 09:05 Misacampo wrote:
Tl won international team of the year?
Kinda ironic, as I don't think they had a single non-korean player do well in 2012, along with not winning any teamleagues.
Oh wait this is TEAMLIQUID.NET. How could I forget. If you're going to get mad at least have the facts right, TL won two team leagues and placed second in another. Team Taeja* I didn't see any INTERNATIONAL team win two team leagues and place second in another.
lol, TL won NASTL before TaeJa even joined the team.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 03 2013 09:23 Misacampo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote:On January 03 2013 08:50 Schelim wrote:On January 03 2013 08:01 Dodgin wrote:I knew some people were going to complain about TL getting international team of the year, but if you actually look at the data then It's irrefutable. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists/TeamYearlyStartale passed TL at the last moment by getting both first and second in Blizzard Cup. TL earned by far the most medals of any " international " team this year. ( someone mentioned EG, lol, EG is 15th on this list. ) by the way, the mini title says " GSTL finals: FXO vs MVP on the front page instead of 2012 TL awards. i don't think anybody's gonna deny that Taeja and HerO (but especially Taeja) did amazing in 2012, but that doesn't really qualify for best 'team' imo, especially best 'international' team when those guys are two koreans. 2 of TL's foreigners quit starcraft this year and all the others have been in huge slumps. TLO did somewhat decent i guess, but he's not exactly a world champion either. Zenio didn't do anything all year despite being korean. EG might not have a Taeja-level player (in fact they certainly don't), but they a lot more strong players than TL: Stephano, Thorzain, JYP, Demuslim, Puma, Jaedong, to some degree even Idra and Huk all did better than any of the TL foreigners in 2012. i guess Revival doesn't really count for EG yet. on top of all these solid players, you also have crowd favorites like Stephano, Idra, Incontrol, Jaedong, Huk, somewhat Demuslim and Thorzain... who does TL really have that is popular in terms of personality? Hero and TLO. what i'm saying is, some players on TL had VERY impressive results in 2012, but it doesn't really feel like a team's accomplishments when it's just Taeja winning everything with Hero adding a few titles. even the team leagues were basically won by Taeja. It's based on results, not by how popular the players are. EG can keep buying popular players but it didn't work at giving them gold medals. Nazgul saw the potential in TaeJa and grabbed him, it paid off. It's that simple, really. On January 03 2013 09:05 Misacampo wrote:
Tl won international team of the year?
Kinda ironic, as I don't think they had a single non-korean player do well in 2012, along with not winning any teamleagues.
Oh wait this is TEAMLIQUID.NET. How could I forget. If you're going to get mad at least have the facts right, TL won two team leagues and placed second in another. Team Taeja* I didn't see any INTERNATIONAL team win two team leagues and place second in another.
You must have missed Sheth and Zenios all kills this year and the fact that only IPTL is in all kill format. EGMC....Research is a good skill toi have.
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Was very good I enjoyed this a lot!
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Awesome work TeamLiquid, like last year, it was great to read it !
Just before reading, I made some forecasts and I went 15/22. Here are my fails :
- Ceremony of the year : Leenock Gangnam Style
- Biggest news story : didn't know really what sort of news to put on it
- Rivalry of the year : Stephano-Polt
- Most entertaining player : -
- Terran of the year (inter) : LucifroN
- Protoss of the year (inter) : MaNa
- Game of the year : Mvp-Squirtle
I must say I miss some of the previous categories like the playrs to follow next year or the non-player personality but the improvements are good so, I don't complain. And yes, WCS Europe were, for me, the best tournament of the year as a viewer.
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I agree with everything, just I find it hard to give TL the international team of the year, when they had next to zero success that wasn't stemming from their korean lineup
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Wow! Parting and life cleaned up! I just finished watching the Guhmiho vs MMA GSTL game. That game definitely deserves the award!
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EPT
