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IForgetMyUsername
Profile Joined November 2012
Sweden7 Posts
December 17 2012 18:49 GMT
#521
Something to think about for all game designers. What makes peole want to stay and play a game year after year. There isnt a better RTS out there then SC2 and Blizzard is in my opinion the best game creators over time; and still fail. Id say theres 3 big factors to consider here.

The competition from other games. Social network, the ability to make and keep friends easy. And that the game that starts out userfriendly convert to a more complex game. Sure most of the people playing SC2 dont have a clear picture of how exactly everything works but its not the point, you basicly do the same thing over and over again.
At some point, im not sure if the players have to think at all they just have to see, act and learn. The thinking part is such a small part of this "strategy"-game.Its just my opinion dont get trolled by it, im sure everyone have their own.

With other words, they need to focus on how to create new personal bonds between players and to make people stay in the game longer and remove the anonymous crap that makes some consider every other unknown player an alien instead of a human. Im sure that alone would improve the atmosphere in. If you can upload a picture on yourself on Facebook why cant you in SC2?

About the see, act, learn + think part. If a player gets bored, its because his brain dossent get enough stimulus. Some players dont get to use their mental abilitys as much as they need. Just the fact that SC2 have static maps, no random generated maps (and that wouldnt work well) result in that Blizzard would have to focus even harder on the other parts to avoid the see/learn/act pattern and add "think" to that process. Its a strategy game after all, the thinking should be a main part of the game. Once the honeymoon is over and the "new" impressions became old, its how good the design of the game is that matters and decide if a player stay or leave.

Either way, Sea is the proof that Blizzard failed at some degree.




Experience is the benchmark of maturity.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
December 17 2012 18:52 GMT
#522
aw, such a short time on liquid. T.T
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
December 17 2012 18:54 GMT
#523
I can't say I'm surprised. I also can't say I'd be surprised to see him popping up on Afreeca soon
Writerptrk
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
December 17 2012 18:54 GMT
#524
Sad day. I think Sea could have done extremely well in a future patch or hots. Would it have been different if he made Code A? Who knows :|

But hey - best of luck Prince of Proleague! It was still great to see you in a blue shirt

Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 19:01:50
December 17 2012 18:58 GMT
#525
I never heard of him pre-SC2, and it makes me think he was a bit of a joke to have just up and left so quickly.

I think i should read up on his BW career before commenting, because right now all i can think is bad thoughts for him

Round of 16 finishes a few times and some teamleague "contributions" average showings otherwise (according to Liquipedia)

Yep, i was (in my mind) right to think badly of him.

Dont know why he bothered joining liquid if not to just embarrass them.

User was banned for this post.
Useless wet fish.
hangene92
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada258 Posts
December 17 2012 18:59 GMT
#526
That was a short run for Sea, such an amazing player. Best of luck to him in the future!
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one"
Ydriel
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy516 Posts
December 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#527
Didn't see that coming
Was hoping to see more of him playing in TL.

Gl with whatever you want to do Sea!
<3 SC2 <3<3 Dota 2. Steam ID: HellS
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
December 17 2012 19:02 GMT
#528
That's a bummer.

All the best to you in the future!
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 17 2012 19:03 GMT
#529
GL Sea. You will be missed.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 17 2012 19:06 GMT
#530
If he isn't passionate about the game it's probably for the best anyway. I would have wished to see more of him though.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
musai
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada552 Posts
December 17 2012 19:07 GMT
#531
T_T Miss you Sea.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
December 17 2012 19:10 GMT
#532
What?! So sad, wish him all the best in the future.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kiero
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada136 Posts
December 17 2012 19:14 GMT
#533
As someone who has watched sea from beginning to end... You can't retire yet sea. You still need to win an individual league!
Petninja
Profile Joined June 2011
United States159 Posts
December 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#534
But but but but but, he was becoming my favorite player so quickly!
Kohonski
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States150 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 19:18:06
December 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#535
As someone who was just introduced to Sea when he joined Liquid, it absolutely sucks to see him retire. The guy always had a smile on his face and it was fun to watch him stream. T.T Gl HF in your future Sea!
Now we are both in the club of "people who caught mice and asked IRC what to do". Mine was caught face first on a glue trap though, but his back legs were free and he was pushing the trap all over my house. I ended up drowning him. - Lemonwalrus
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 19:19:25
December 17 2012 19:19 GMT
#536
On December 18 2012 03:58 Capped wrote:
I never heard of him pre-SC2, and it makes me think he was a bit of a joke to have just up and left so quickly.

I think i should read up on his BW career before commenting, because right now all i can think is bad thoughts for him

Round of 16 finishes a few times and some teamleague "contributions" average showings otherwise (according to Liquipedia)

Yep, i was (in my mind) right to think badly of him.

Dont know why he bothered joining liquid if not to just embarrass them.

How did you manage to not hear of Sea before SC2?
General Nuke Em
Profile Joined March 2008
United States680 Posts
December 17 2012 19:20 GMT
#537
On December 18 2012 03:58 Capped wrote:
I never heard of him pre-SC2, and it makes me think he was a bit of a joke to have just up and left so quickly.

I think i should read up on his BW career before commenting, because right now all i can think is bad thoughts for him

Round of 16 finishes a few times and some teamleague "contributions" average showings otherwise (according to Liquipedia)

Yep, i was (in my mind) right to think badly of him.

Dont know why he bothered joining liquid if not to just embarrass them.

You clearly don't know how important proleague was in Brood War relative to what existed in SC2 before KESPA switched over. Sea was consistently the top (or second) Terran on his team, for periods of time would near singlehandedly carry his team to victory, and was otherwise a pillar of MBCGame Hero before the teams dissolution.

And really, talking shit about Ro16 finishes in the BW equivalent of GSL Code S?
bmSTINKYTOFU
Profile Joined August 2012
12 Posts
December 17 2012 19:20 GMT
#538
On December 18 2012 04:19 Ettick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 03:58 Capped wrote:
I never heard of him pre-SC2, and it makes me think he was a bit of a joke to have just up and left so quickly.

I think i should read up on his BW career before commenting, because right now all i can think is bad thoughts for him

Round of 16 finishes a few times and some teamleague "contributions" average showings otherwise (according to Liquipedia)

Yep, i was (in my mind) right to think badly of him.

Dont know why he bothered joining liquid if not to just embarrass them.

How did you manage to not hear of Sea before SC2?


SEA was huge in bw o.o
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
December 17 2012 19:20 GMT
#539
On December 18 2012 01:42 supernovamaniac wrote:
He's been hinting at me for few weeks. That he didn't like this game and wanted to stream Afreeca. I never thought it was real until he told me few days ago that he was retiring and going to stream BW on Afreeca.

All I can say now is "gl hf gg".

So no more Twitch stream? :/
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
December 17 2012 19:21 GMT
#540
whatttt :| good luck in the future, Sea!
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
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