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blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 00:32:01
November 23 2012 00:25 GMT
#21
Light competition in this. Will be nice to see some of the very good but slightly less popular players get deep in this.

MC to take it. Or VortiX.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 01:01 GMT
#22
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....
Hello friends:)
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2012 01:07 GMT
#23
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o
ChadMann
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 01:10:06
November 23 2012 01:08 GMT
#24
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


If you don't follow the scene.. Don't write a report on it
Why so much hate for SEA players?
Mafia dismantled your Euro heart throb Lucifron in the open bracket.
I hope this tournament shows some of you that SEA talent is stronger than you all think.
#1 ANZ SC2 Team Manager https://twitter.com/ChadMannSC2
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2012 01:13 GMT
#25
On November 23 2012 10:08 ChadMann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


If you don't follow the scene.. Don't write a report on it
Why so much hate for SEA players?
Mafia dismantled your Euro heart throb Lucifron in the open bracket.
I hope this tournament shows some of you that SEA talent is stronger than you all think.


Ok fair enough, I suggest you hope they do well and if they do you can come back to the preview thread tomorrow and say suck it waxangel, I promise It's lots of fun.
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 01:16 GMT
#26
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


I know he wouldn't it's not even about the results. It was about being professional and instead of saying "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" maybe something along the lines of "These guys are lesser known and will have a real fight on their hands to get out of this difficult group against well known international competitors" especially when it's their home server.

Sorry for coming across as shitty as i did, i'm just tired
Hello friends:)
fenner
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United Kingdom163 Posts
November 23 2012 01:25 GMT
#27
Cheering for the SEA lads!!

Hopefully they can show how strong they are here.
Zerg Strategy & Stuff www.youtube.com/fenn3r
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2012 01:29 GMT
#28
On November 23 2012 10:16 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:
On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed"
Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"

Really smooth guys....


I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o


I know he wouldn't it's not even about the results. It was about being professional and instead of saying "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" maybe something along the lines of "These guys are lesser known and will have a real fight on their hands to get out of this difficult group against well known international competitors" especially when it's their home server.

Sorry for coming across as shitty as i did, i'm just tired


It's okay, really ;o

perfectly valid complaint in my opinion!

wax also said this about Mvp last IEM for the open bracket preview

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360584

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


and then he won the whole thing, so if it turns out he's wrong and a SEA player wins their group just rub it in face tomorrow ;d
MatiaasS !
Profile Joined October 2011
Chile167 Posts
November 23 2012 01:29 GMT
#29
Hoping for a comeback of MC !
Team EG, TL and IM ! || Tennis For Life ♥ RF ♥
Nommi
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 01:35:03
November 23 2012 01:30 GMT
#30
On November 23 2012 02:34 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
but it's not as hopeless for them as for their compadres in the other groups.

I'm sorry but that's kinda rude to label players as hopeless... I am pretty sure you can use heaps of other words to describe it without insulting players like that.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 23 2012 01:31 GMT
#31
After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed


you mean the three SEA zergs as in Mafia who 2-0'd LucifroN yesterday, got rank 1 GM on the korean server, and got insane results in every TSL4 qualifier he entered, PiG who got to the semi's in the Code A qualifiers 2 weeks ago and trained in the Prime House for a month and took down mOOnGLaDe in WCS Australia, a player who then went on to have the second best non korean run behind Naniwa at the last MLG???

Show some fucking professionalism, do your research, and stop being so ignorant to amazing players who you are too blind to realise have amazing potential to do well, especially locally.

Maybe they might get destoryed, in starcraft anything can happen. But a comment like that in your write up is just stupid, and all you accomplish is pissing off Australians who are already aware of how wrong the rest of the world is with their assumptions on our skill level.
SunsetSC2
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia148 Posts
November 23 2012 01:40 GMT
#32
Hate to add to the hate train here, but you can't say a guy who 2-0'ed Lucifron will "probably get destroyed", whether you follow the SEA scene or not. I actually think that series was a huge story, possibly the biggest of the day, and you're not giving it, or the player, the respect they deserve.

A preview thread is what it is, but lay off the huge, sweeping generalisations.
*pew* *laser shield* || @Sunset_SC2
TL+ Member
SystemTV
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia102 Posts
November 23 2012 01:41 GMT
#33
Another amazing piece of shit written by Wax
SystemTV - SEA's finest SC2 Stream
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
November 23 2012 01:55 GMT
#34
You know how it is, these Americans trolololol

-1 for journalism
Blunt truth is, this a small tourney to cover for TL. There aren't any "favorites", so why bother...right? I kinda understand that in the interest of time, everyone just trawls TLPD, but come on teamliquid, we're still part of the community. That's why there's this thing called reporting. There is a real opportunity to get to know "small" SC2 scene that's better known for FXOBoss and FXOUnstable, and you guys missed it.

-1 for being the impartial arbiter
Yes, we all know Koreans destroy. I'm not gonna deny that MC will probably take this one, but I think you're missing that there could be some really great games in the SEA/local contestants. Taking shit for granted is what scores you -1.

-1000 for pissing off SEA fans
Oh well. That said, our region has more money and more potential than the flagging economy of the US. That's a fact. Trolololol
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
November 23 2012 02:00 GMT
#35
Not following the SEA players is all well and good. But openly tearing them apart on the front page of TL is pretty awful.

Very disappointed.
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Arkanthiel
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines100 Posts
November 23 2012 02:03 GMT
#36
Man, it feels really cool to see the name of my countrymen in there.

Enderr, Jabito hwaiting~!!
Los! Los Cabadrin!
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
November 23 2012 02:07 GMT
#37
Artosis to the rescue being the professional baller he is ------> http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
Hello friends:)
fenner
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United Kingdom163 Posts
November 23 2012 02:07 GMT
#38
A much more informed blog regarding the player potential at this event from Artosis.

http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
Zerg Strategy & Stuff www.youtube.com/fenn3r
ChadMann
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia128 Posts
November 23 2012 02:18 GMT
#39
How this article should have looked - http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore
#1 ANZ SC2 Team Manager https://twitter.com/ChadMannSC2
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 23 2012 02:24 GMT
#40
you could learn a thing or two from this waxangel, coz right now you don't know what you're doing.

http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/36325404251/why-you-should-check-out-iem-singapore

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