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vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
February 24 2012 21:52 GMT
#41
MKP will lose to Losira first round and then take the longest road possible to the finals, where he will inevitably lose to MVP.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
February 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#42
I don't agree with Nani vs Grubby, I feel like Grubby will take it. He's actually really good at pvp.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
February 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#43
On February 25 2012 06:52 vndods wrote:
MKP will lose to Losira first round and then take the longest road possible to the finals, where he will inevitably lose to MVP.


Sounds about right.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 24 2012 21:58 GMT
#44
On February 25 2012 05:27 Teacher74 wrote:
Picking Ganzi over DRG. Dayum.


That pick is still a lot more reasonable than predicting a 2-1 Nestea over Demuslim. Can't see Demuslim taking a single game.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
February 24 2012 21:58 GMT
#45
On February 25 2012 06:55 namste wrote:
I don't agree with Nani vs Grubby, I feel like Grubby will take it. He's actually really good at pvp.

I know stats isn't everything, but Naniwa's 10 latest games in PvP is 9 wins, and his winrate in pvp since August is 80%. I'd say it's fair to say Naniwa is the favorite in the matchup.
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
February 24 2012 21:59 GMT
#46
Surprised by Ganzi over DRG, looking forward to the matches <3
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#47
On February 25 2012 05:54 ptrpb wrote:
NAH NI WA
In their tongue he is Dovahkiin, Dragonslayer


Haha priceless........ I'm a HUGE Naniwa fan... but He's up vs Grubby round 1, what can I say..! Either way I'll be a bit sad...
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 24 2012 22:03 GMT
#48
On February 25 2012 06:40 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:09 Femari wrote:
when did Mvp take the title of best TvZ player from MMA?

id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol


Mvp really is the best at TvZ when he isn't having wrist problems. (Or at least, he used to be before the ghost nerf)

His endgame mass ghost/PF composition just tears zerg apart, where MMA has an incredibly fun but shakier TvZ. If it had been Mvp playing in the game 7 of Blizzcup it would have been over about 15 minutes quicker and in a much less exciting fashion. MMA has an amazing TvT and one of the best TvZ in the world but I still give Mvp the edge in TvZ (until the patch..)

And yeah, as soon as he fixes his CTS he will start to dominate again, you can hold me to it.


The ghost style in TvZ is going to be severely weakened post patch though...

As for the hypothetical if MVP were in the Blizzcup finals, DRG never gave MMA the breathing room to transition into ghosts. The game was incredibly close, and going mass ghost requires substantial economy and production time, which no Terran player could have done under the pressure that DRG was applying.

As for who is a better TvZ player right now, MMA or MVP, I would personally say MMA, simply because the ghost nerf will greatly weaken MVP's style.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Propanelol
Profile Joined October 2011
United States81 Posts
February 24 2012 22:10 GMT
#49
Demuslim fighting! go go upset devil terran!!
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#50
On February 25 2012 07:03 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:40 zefreak wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:09 Femari wrote:
when did Mvp take the title of best TvZ player from MMA?

id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol


Mvp really is the best at TvZ when he isn't having wrist problems. (Or at least, he used to be before the ghost nerf)

His endgame mass ghost/PF composition just tears zerg apart, where MMA has an incredibly fun but shakier TvZ. If it had been Mvp playing in the game 7 of Blizzcup it would have been over about 15 minutes quicker and in a much less exciting fashion. MMA has an amazing TvT and one of the best TvZ in the world but I still give Mvp the edge in TvZ (until the patch..)

And yeah, as soon as he fixes his CTS he will start to dominate again, you can hold me to it.


The ghost style in TvZ is going to be severely weakened post patch though...

As for the hypothetical if MVP were in the Blizzcup finals, DRG never gave MMA the breathing room to transition into ghosts. The game was incredibly close, and going mass ghost requires substantial economy and production time, which no Terran player could have done under the pressure that DRG was applying.

As for who is a better TvZ player right now, MMA or MVP, I would personally say MMA, simply because the ghost nerf will greatly weaken MVP's style.


Some good points, you may be right. I definitely agree that this patch will kill Mvp's ZvT (which makes me so sad), it was always so beautiful to see his lategame vZ control.
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Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
February 24 2012 22:18 GMT
#51
I think Grubby will win from Naniwa
;;
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 24 2012 22:25 GMT
#52
ogs.MC ..
i wish it would be like that
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BoneDancr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States130 Posts
February 24 2012 22:47 GMT
#53
Anyone know where you can see how many viewers watching the stream?
-end of line
tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
February 24 2012 22:48 GMT
#54
I think Sheth and MarineKing will both win. Unfortunately, I agree with most of the other picks (DeMusliM TT). This is such a loaded tournament. Can't wait to see how it pans out.
Ripebananaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada129 Posts
February 24 2012 22:49 GMT
#55
Wtf, I paied for my ''ticket'' yesterday, and got the email confirmation.

I'm trying to watch it now, but it says my MlgID is invalid, and i can't recover my password because it doesn't recognize my email. Wtf is this? I don't know what to do or who to ask..
allyourbase3
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
February 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#56
lol, only 3 pages of comments on an MLG event with this many good players. Methinks you fucked up MLG
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
February 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#57
Naniwa nestea finals. Artosis said Nestea really practicing. Better believe Zerg bong gonna rip some heads off.
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
February 24 2012 23:08 GMT
#58
Didn't know MVP was injured. Any precise info about that ?

(By the way, MC plays for SK gaming, love it or not.)
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
February 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#59
On February 25 2012 08:08 Serimek wrote:
Didn't know MVP was injured. Any precise info about that ?

(By the way, MC plays for SK gaming, love it or not.)


I think they are talking about the severe CTS that he has?
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
0ceangam3r
Profile Joined November 2010
United States203 Posts
February 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#60
On February 25 2012 06:35 Tayar wrote:
i'll give mlg one thing - the quality of competition is just to much of a temptation for a hardcore sc2 fan to pass on. Hoping for a good showing from axslav, mvp and mc.


yup.
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