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[SPL] Week 3: Upsets & Ace Matches

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[SPL] Week 3: Upsets & Ace Matches

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December 20th, 2011 04:03 GMT

Week Four: Upsets & Ace Matches


Proleague is a funny beast. For the first two weeks, everything went as expected. Weak teams failed, KT couldn’t handle the heat of the new format and CJ dominated everyone. This week, the upsets started. CJ fell to KT, SKT went 0-2, Khan showed some good form and even STX got a win. The season is really starting to heat up and we saw some amazing games this week. Moreover, it seems like outfits are starting to adjust to the new format, holding back good players for set 5 and taking risks with rookies to try and bring their team home.

After such an interesting week in SPL, you can rest assured that we have some great content for you! Recaps and previews are here as always, and Xxio brings you another interview with TL veterans thedeadhaji and MrHoon, this time on the much debated topic of the new no ace match format. Moving a little closer to home, we’ve got an interview with the extremely popular Sayle about his English Proleague commentaries that have been revolutionising the way the foreign community watches broodwar.

In conclusion, here's a Merry Christmas from the TL SPL coverage team! We hope the spirit of the season carries you through these weeks and into the many, many PL games to come. We look forward to meeting you all in a new year filled with love, joy and Broodwar!

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Standings courtesy Simplistik and the R&S thread!




Table of Contents


Recaps:
Round 1, Week 3


English Proleague Casting:
Meet Sayle!


Team League:
Haji and Hoon on the New Format


Previews:
Round 1, Week 4


Check out the SK Planet Proleague 2011-2012 on Liquipedia

Recaps, Week 3 Round 1


[image loading] STX SouL 1 < 3 Samsung KHAN [image loading]

(Z)by.hero < Sniper Ridge > (P)Stork
(Z)hyvaa < Electric Circuit > (T)Reality
(P)Shuttle < Jade > (P)JangBi
(P)mini < Outlier > (Z)RorO
< Chain Reaction >

The result of STX’s current form is that when they go out to play it almost seems like a foregone conclusion that they will lose. Unfortunately for STX this was the case against a strong Khan lineup. Hero had his first showing of the season and was matched up against Stork but was unable to make anything of it, being rolled by solid storm control after his hydras only managed to destroy Stork’s wall. The second match featured Hyvaa once again getting stuck with his inferior matchup, ZvT, but he played an excellent game being able to deflect Reality’s attempts to bust him with 4 rax pressure and using the backdoor on electric circuit in combination with lurkers to give great success.

From this point however, it was all downhill for STX. Shuttle came out to face Jangbi and despite catching Jangbi with a nice timing attack was unable to capitalise, and once Jangbi got his reavers out the game was essentially over. Finally Roro came out to ruin some more anti teams against Mini, who looked so strong last week but simply rolled over and died, using a really weird build that involved multiple slow zealot attacks until finally dying to mutas because he had no anti air. This was a relatively strong showing from Khan to take the match 3-1.



[image loading] SK Telecom T1 2 < 3 Woongjin Stars [image loading]

(T)Fantasy < Ground Zero > (Z)ZerO
(Z)n.Die_soO < Chain Reaction > (P)sHy
(P)BeSt < Electric Circuit > (T)Light
(P)By.Sun < Sniper Ridge > (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey
(P)Bisu < Outlier > (P)free

This was match was the first in a series of upsets that would come to define this week in Proleague. SKT sitting at second on the ladder was expected to win but Stars was having none of it. Zero and Fantasy were sent out first, with Zero attempting a fairly all in ling bust followed up by 2 hatch mutalisk but Fantasy’s defence was just too solid, easily holding Zero’s attacks and finally crushing his base before defilers could play their role effectively. In the next match sHy showed some good form, crushing a helpless Soo with solid corsair play to counter Soo’s mutalisk based strategy.

Best and Light had a curious game, with Light attempting to take Best to the late game, a simple mistake that cost him dearly. Soulkey easily destroyed a helpless Sun, showing an extremely scary Hydra into Lurker contain tailored specifically for sniper ridge. Finally Bisu was bested by Free, who used a particularly greedy build to get an easy advantage in the game and Bisu was unable to catch up and eventually was defeated, giving Stars the unexpected victory.



[image loading] STX SouL 3 > 2 Air Force ACE [image loading]

(Z)Modesty < Outlier >(Z)great
(Z)hyvaa < Ground Zero > (T)Canata
(P)Dear < Sniper Ridge > (T)firebathero
(T)Bogus < Electric Circuit > (T)PianO
(T)Last[fOu] < Jade >(T)Iris

With STX’s form in such a bad place coming into this match Ace were actually favoured to win, which is not something that you would expect to hear about Ace in any match ever. The clash turned out to be a tense one, going down to the final game but STX managed to pull out the victory, putting themselves on the leader board for the season finally. Great was sent out first and was trounced easily by a strong looking Modesty, who snuck some lings from a 9 pool the long way around and destroyed Great’s drones before he could react. Canata came out next against Hyvaa, who attempted a 2 hatch lurker build which was easily deflected, and once Canata was good and ready he moved out and easily broke Hyvaa’s defences.

FireBatHero was unsuccessful this week losing to a Dear in a disjointed looking TvP with Dear simply playing safe and taking an easy win. Piano brought the set back to 2-2 easily rolling over an out of form Bogus in a one sided TvT. Finally Last was sent out to save his team and was able to best the veteran Iris in a long and relatively standard TvT affair giving STX the victory they were so desperately searching for.



[image loading] SK Telecom T1 1 < 3 Samsung KHAN [image loading]

(P)Bisu < Outlier > (P)Stork
(P)By.Sun < Ground Zero > (T)TurN
(T)Fantasy < Sniper Ridge > (T)Reality
(P)BeSt < Electric Circuit > (P)JangBi
< Jade >

The battle of the protoss as some called it commenced with the marquee matchup of Bisu vs Stork right out the gates. Bisu attempted to do the build that Free did against him earlier in the week, but Stork was able to capitalise on Bisu’s greediness, catching Bisu’s goons out of position on two occasions and was eventually able to bust Bisu’s natural with a 3 gate reaver push. Turn was the surprise sent out by January and it paid off, with Turn implementing a strong 5 fac timing push that Sun was unable to hold off due to poor engagements against Turns aggression.

Fantasy saved the match for SKT, turning a disadvantage and a weird Drop Screen around against Reality to bring the scores back to 1-2. Unfortunately for SKT their comeback was not to be, with Jangbi trouncing Best with superior army control to seal the deal at 3-1 to Khan.



[image loading] Team 8 2 < 3 Woongjin Stars [image loading]

(T)Sea < Jade > (P)sHy
(T)BaBy < Sniper Ridge > (T)Light
(Z)Killer < Ground Zero > (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey
(Z)Jaedong < Chain Reaction > (P)free[gm]
(P)Jaehoon < Electric Circuit > (Z)ZerO

Stars, fresh off their taking down of a hapless SKT were out for blood against the powerhouse Team 8. sHy was sent out first and entertained the crowd with some fun hallucinated arbiter play, tormenting Sea with recalls and constant attacks until Sea caved to the pressure. Baby came out to equalise the scores at 1-1, winning despite his Justin Bieber theme song. Soulkey continued his good form, besting Killer even thought he had the build order disadvantage.

Free came out, fresh off his win over Bisu to face another TBLS member in the form of Jaedong. Unfortauntely for Free, he wasn’t able to get his second win of the week with Jaedong simply proving too strong by preventing Free’s expansion attempts with overwhelming force of numbers. This was where everything unravelled for team 8, with Stars still having their ace player Zero in the wings while Team 8 was forced to send in their out of form captain Jaehoon. Zero showed his class by easily crushing Jaehoon, winning the match for Stars 3-2.


[image loading] KT Rolster 3 > 2 CJ Entus [image loading]

(T)Flash < Jade > (P)Horang2
(Z)Crazy-Hydra < Sniper Ridge > (T)Leta
(T)Mind < Ground Zero > (T)sKyHigh
(Z)HoeJJa < Chain Reaction >(Z)Hydra
(P)Stats < Electric Circuit > (Z)EffOrt

KT is one of those teams that is so incredibly disappointing sometimes but always has an aura of strength around them, so when they were matched up against competition leaders CJ there was a lingering sense of doubt about whether CJ would take the win. That doubt was well placed as KT managed to take down the current leaders 3-2 in an exciting series of games. Flash was sent out first and had his way with a helpless Horang2 utilising vulture harass in a style that would be expected of Fantasy and eventually making far too many tanks for it to be practical for protoss to win. Leta returned the favour for CJ, easily destroying Crazy Hydra with a mech strategy that is becoming more and more common this season in TvZ’s.

Skyhigh saw his first game of the season and hit his ideal matchup in TvT where he showed why he is rated so highly in it, easily busting minds defences in the late game and avoiding wraith play for the most part instead favouring goliaths. Hydra was sent out against Hoejja and a 3-1 victory to CJ seemed a foregone conclusion especially when Hydra got a significant early game lead, but Hoejja showed us why he was KT’s clutch player last season, turning the disadvantage around with a good muta engagement. Finally Effort was sent out against Stats in a de facto ace match and unfortunately for CJ, Effort’s form finally faltered showing a relatively ineffective Hydra drop build that did little to no damage and despite stalling a number of Stats’ pushes his unwillingness to tech to Hive meant that eventually Stats was able to bust down his defences and take the match for his team.


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After a long drought of regular English commentary of Korean leagues, the era has come when you can jot down a specific date and time on your pretty little calendars to enjoy the best Brood War action in a language you can actually understand. Even though the experienced ears of Brood War veterans are accustomed to ramblings in an alien language and perversely enough, actually prefer it, the young and innocent ears of players who are new to the scene need a tender, motherly voice to lead them through the epic adventure that is Professional Starcraft.

Besides a few lone warriors like NukeTheStars and DejaVu119, there have been very few English language content providers for the Broodwar scene. In the 2011-12 season, however, one person has gone above and beyond the call of duty by giving everyone interested in watching professional Brood War a definitive place to start.

Men and women of Broodwar, say hello to Sayle!

Hi Sayle, would you please introduce yourself to the people who might not have heard of you yet and tell us what is it exactly that you do for the BW community.

Sayle:Hi, I'm Sayle. I do a lot of streaming/commentary of foreigner BW events like Gambit's Cup and Nation Wars, and I've recently picked up Proleague as well. When I'm not casting, I also stream myself playing games on Fish or ICCup.
Could you tell us a bit about your decision to start casting Proleague matches in English?

Sayle:I basically got tired of reading all the complaints about a lack of English BW content, particularly in the threads about getting new people into BW/bringing people in from SC2. I'd also had a lot of people ask me to cast Proleague or OSL on my stream. At first I was hesitant to do so because the bar for casting a Korean event is so much higher than with foreign events. A lot of people think BW enthusiasts are elitist and while this is true, what they don't realize is that these BW elitists are in fact divided into tiers of elitism. Towards the bottom are the ones who are willing to watch foreign BW events despite the lower level of play and are more open to helping SC2 players get their bearings. At the top are the diehards who will only watch BW commentated in Korean even though they can't understand it (I am one of these people) and who start frothing at the mouth at the slightest misuse of the term 'bonjwa'. I was nervous about casting SPL because I thought the target audience would be the latter kind of people, but after reading a lot of threads and having a think about it, I realized that those people will keep watching the Korean commentary anyway and my actual target audience is the lower level player or the newcomer to BW. I thought I could do a lot of good here in helping people who were trying to get into the scene, so despite my sketchy knowledge of the Korean pro scene, I decided to man up and cast SPL.
Your live rebroadcast of Proleague matches in English has quickly gained a lot of popularity with numbers reaching above 1,000 viewers in the first week. Do you have any certain goal you wish to achieve, any specific number you wanna tackle down to set a some kind of a milestone?

Sayle:I won't be content until every last man, woman and child is watching my stream (especially the women)! Actually, the rebroadcasts have already been far more successful than I anticipated. I didn't really have a goal in mind to begin with, and even if I did it certainly would have been met already. I think for now, I'd be happy if the viewer count could stay this high for the rest of the season. I know there was a lot of hype and build-up at the start of the season which would contribute to the high viewer count in week one. The real test will be keeping interest high in the coming months. Hopefully the viewers are happy with the quality of the games and the commentary and will continue to tune in.
Your casts are liked by many SC2 players and English casting of Proleague serves as some kind of a bridge for them to the professional BW scene. Do you have any message for all the SC2 players who are interested in the BW scene, but are afraid to tip their toes in the vast epicness that is Brood War?

Sayle:There are a lot of threads in the TL BW forums now about SC2 players getting into BW, so a quick search on TL should yield plenty of resources for anyone willing to look. To be honest though, I'm not really sure what there is to be afraid about. I mean, it's like if you wake up one day and discover that there's been a jelly bean tree growing in your backyard for the last 10 years and you somehow didn't realize it. Every branch has a different flavor of jelly beans and you can't wait to try them all. Sure, it might be a bit daunting since there's so many branches and trying to eat them all at once would be a bad idea, but would you really get scared by how awesome it is? No, you'd just pick a branch and start eating. Same thing with Broodwar: just pick your favorite team/player/commentator/boothgirl/whatever and start watching some VODs! As a side note, I try to be very SC2-player friendly in my stream/stream chat and my mods are aware of this, so feel free to go in there and ask something if you're too afraid to do it on TL.
In BW community you're quite known for casting almost every single foreign event there is and now on top of that, you added a Proleague to your schedule. Where do you get the stamina for casting even up to the 14 hours a day?

Sayle:The promise of glory and riches keeps me going through even the darkest hours of terrible wall-ins and horrendous muta micro. Actually I have no idea how I do it. Probably has something to do with grapes though. Maybe if everyone ate more grapes we'd become a race of superhumans. Hmm.
Many people have a pessimistic view on the future of Brood War with negative rumors flying around left and right. What is your own view on the said subject and does it affect your motivation in contributing?

Sayle:As with most things that are beyond my control, I try not to think about it too much. All I can do to help BW right now is produce good English content, so that's what I'm going to do. It certainly gets me down when I read about another team disbanding or just a random negative post on TL, but every time that happens I just go on Youtube watch a BW highlight reel and feel better again ^_^
Every caster pretty much has their own style of casting. How would you characterize your own casting style?

Sayle:Day9 2.0. Lacking the game knowledge, wit and funny stories, but now with Facebook integration bad Korean impersonations! Actually, I'd say I'm kind of a jack-of-all-trades caster, partly because as a primarily solo caster, I fill all three roles of play-by-play caster, analytical commentator, and game observor/cameraman. Also, having watched countless hours of Klazart/Moletrap/Diggity/Cholera/Day9/Tastetosis, I find that I often blend a lot of their styles together when I cast and sometimes inadvertantly 'steal' certain mannerisms, particularly Day9's.
Who is your favorite team and players in this season of Proleague? And who do you think will win?

Sayle:Samsung Khan has a 99% chance of winning this season. If (P)Stork puts on his glasses, then it's 100%. Having said that, if KT stops putting in bad players like (P)Stats and (T)Flash and starts playing (P)Reach, they might have a chance. (P)Stork and (Z)ZerO are still my favorite players in PL right now, so I was a bit sad when they had to play each other and the game ended up being so one-sided.
Ok, thank you for the interview. Any message you wanna send to your fans, or potential fans?

Sayle: Thanks to all my fans! Watch my Proleague casts! BW hwaiting!


Check out Sayle on Twitch.tv, YouTube, and Blip.com




This season of Brood War is filled with new storylines: the return of an OSL champion, the worrisome delay of sponsorship, the creation of Team 8 and of course, Proleague's new format. Yes, for better or for worse, our stalwart tournament has changed.

The downsides are obvious – beloved by all fans, ACE match, alas, is no more. In past seasons, fans could expect to see at least one good match per series. Unless a sniper was planned in advance, S class players like Jaedong and Flash would inevitably play in the fifth set. The ACE match system gave fans what they wanted – more of the best, more of their favorites – and gave top players the opportunity to create insane records. The ACE match was intrinsically “Proleague”. Without it, we know what we are missing.

In the 2008-2009 season, Jaedong faltered and Hwaseung OZ took second place. In 2009-2010, Flash took KT Rolster to the Grand Finals and won. This was an era where one player and a sidekick could win a team league. KT-Flash and Hwaseung House became popular memes as the scene became accustomed to one player representing 40% of their team and often accounting for 70% of their team's wins. If you could have too much of a good thing, this was it.

The 2010-2011 season saw some changes. A new best-of-seven format forced a minimum of four games into each series, giving the word “team” a new meaning. Previously unknown players, and entire teams, grew as a result. The effect was astounding as the old game-by-game, bonjwa dominating, gratification fell in lieu of stronger storylines: KT Rolster dug deep and found the talent to win a consecutive Grand Finals. SKT struggled to polish their Zerg lineup. STX finished in 3rd. In many ways it was the ideal format – it had enough room for a variety of players as well as the S-class battles only an ACE match can produce. It is for this reason that the 2010-2011 format is worrisome.

The only difference between last season's format and the current one is that we see less games and less S class head-to-heads. The removal of ACE match, in conjunction with the best-of-five, means that teams still require the same amount of depth in order to be successful. Unfortunately, with Winners League gone as well, there will be few opportunities for bonjwas, or rising stars, to show their potential. But if that means Bisu finally wins an OSL, maybe it's not so bad.

The format we saw in 2008-2010 was one extreme, and now we have gone to another. This is a league where the deepest team will win, not the team with the biggest star. We have seen CJ Entus thrive in this environment while the newly formed Team 8 has struggled. New players are warming the booths in the rubber match, and we get to watch as they rise or break under the pressure. These kinds of storylines take a while to build, but they have the potential to garner fan support for a larger range of teams and players. By the playoffs, we will know if this format has succeeded.

What do you think of the new Proleague format? Do you think some changes should have been included/excluded?

thedeadhaji:With less matches per week, I find myself really dying to see the next set of games. If most people feel this way as well, this should translate to higher ratings during each match. I myself feel that the number of matches is a bit on the low side, but this might be resolved once OSL starts. Besides, KeSPA's focus right now should be figuring out a way to allow Professional Brood War to Survive in Korea. Until they figure out a business model that works, the fans might have to endure some growing pains.

(Unfortunately I don't fully understand the relationship between the teams, the TV stations, the team sponsors, the league sponsors, the commercial buyers, and the fans that make up the entire ecosystem)

As a viewer, I wouldn't mind 2v2 making a comeback with revamped maps (Iron Curtain was pretty awesome, though somewhat broken at times). However, I do admit that 2v2 directly interferes with players' trying to break out in the individual leagues, and the individual leagues are where the glory (and money) is at.

With the right set of maps, could smaller 2v2 tournaments work? Doubles matches in Tennis are oftentimes more entertaining to watch than 1v1 matches these days; the possibility isn't completely out of the question.

MrHoon:No ace matches is still a huge bummer to me. It added a depth of strategy within proleague games that allowed coaches and sniper players outsmart the other. But the new format isn't bad and to be honest I'm just glad proleague is back. Teams who rely on team depth rather than S-Class player has a nice advantage which is always good to see.
How much of an effect do you think no ACE match and less games will have on team strategies and player conditioning?

thedeadhaji:I think it's reasonable to think that players like Flash, Jaedong, Stork, and Baby will have an easier time preparing (SKT and CJ have such a deep roster that the stress level should be comparatively lower).

Less games means that (1) newer players have fewer opportunities to play in Proleague, and (2) there will be higher variance in match outcomes between teams. Because there are fewer games per match, a team with a weaker roster has a higher chance of upsetting a superior team (fewer game samples means that the outcome has a smaller likelihood of converging to its expected value). But because of this increased value placed on each match, the teams will be pressured to send out stronger players on average than had the format remained at 7 games.

The lack of ACE match means that the competitive advantage of a team the Flash or Jaedong type players is diminished. On the other hand, the relative strength of a team like SKT or CJ, with a deep roster of A and S class players, but not necessarily auto-win players, is increased.

Let's say there are three types of teams: (1) a team with a true ACE, but not much else, (2) a team with a very deep roster of A and S class players, but no true ACE, and (3) a team with a short roster of A & S class players, and no true ACE. Then the lack of ACE match will hurt team type 1, help team type 2 greatly, and help team type 3 moderately (mainly due to the demise of team type 1 and increased variance).

MrHoon:As I said previously the lack of ace matches makes the game feel lacking. What Ace matches really did for the team was a way to snipe out their ace player (or in certain cases other snipers) outwitting the opponent. This gave not only new A-Teamers a chance not to only warm benches, but get on TV and make a name for themselves.

Though one good thing about this format is that player conditioning is somewhat of a fixed issue. Long ago back when Flash was called the child labor terran, he literally played 2 games every proleague match. This not only deteriorated his skill and exposed all his strategies, he eventually crashed and burned dropping all leagues and couldn't even take his poor team to the finals. With this new format however, we will be able to see less of this happening.

Do you feel that the changes made things more or less exciting? Can increased player variety and match preparation make up for no ACE match?

thedeadhaji:So far, there have been a few very exciting matches that have gone down to the wire, but the rest have been rather bland (due to a large number of mirror matches, as well as matches where we see the same racial match up over and over - I distinctly remember one match where there were only PvZ games). This being said, the sample size is too small to really know for sure. Let's give it some more time to develop.

I don't think that we'll see increased player variety. Becuase the number of games decreased from 7 to 5 games, teams have less margin for error. I expect them to lean towards the safe route, which means that we'll see the higher class players take the field comparatively more often than before. This could be tremendously exciting with high calibur games, or it could flop terribly, as viewers get tired of the repetitiveness.

I am hopeful that the fewer games and lack of ACE match will drive coaches to devise sniping strategies more frequently. This will hopefully keep things fresh for the viewer.

But looking at the situation as a whole, it appears that the majority of the pieces making up Proleague are the same old familiar building blocks. I'm afraid that we'll quickly realize that not much has really changed, and that the viewers may be left with what may be an inferior product compared to before. I think the contraction of the teams was a blessing in disguise, as it should drive up the average quality of matches; however, if the proliferation of the same old 1v1 matches leads to monotony, I think we are heading down a slippery slope towards irrelevance.

What can be done to truly excite the fans? What can be done to deliver more value to the team sponsors and TV sponsors? These are the fundamental questions KeSPA needs to be asking itself. The "improvements" to the Proleague format were made to serve the players better; what about the fans and the sponsors? Are we really being served better due to these changes?

Hopefully we'll be able to answer with a resounding "Hell Yeah!" at the end of this season.

I have my doubts though.

MrHoon:Honestly? No I don't think so

Ace matches were the staple to Proleague's tradition. It was what differentiated it from MBCgame's Teamleagues long ago (now more commonly known as Winner's League). The sniping element has always been a core part of team based plays, something a coach had to use their intuition and 6th sense. While it is true they can still do that by looking at the maps, it just takes all the fun away. Ace matches were something done out on the blue when the game stands on an even 2:2. It gave the audience something to hope for, like an epic S-Class battle, two snipers trying to get the other and etc. It also gave the fans a chance to see their favorite players twice in a single game. It created mind games! “What is this B-Team scrub going to do? Oh wait he just owned me straight up.”
Stuff like this!

Maybe I'm getting old? Who knows.


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Previews, Week 4 Round 1

Current Proleague Prediction Challenge Progress:

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+ Show Spoiler [The Rules] +

If I predict the winner and the result correctly, 3 points
If I predict the winner correctly, and the result is off by 1, 1 point
If I predict the winner correctly and the result is off by 2, 0 points
If I predict the winner wrong, and the result is off by 1, -1 points
If I predict the winner wrong and the result is off by more than one, -2 points.


Tuesday, December 20th

[image loading]Air Force ACE vs. SK Telecom T1
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SKT has had a rough patch this last week, but the sun is shining over the horizon already. ACE, after showing its’ teeth in the first week, showed some questionable lineups in the next two matches and furthermore, proved how vulnerable they are to bad matchups. Great hasn’t really improved much since he left KHAN in search for a revival, FBH fell short of Dear in a disappointing TvP, and Iris couldn’t come out of a disadvantage vs. Last, none of these are good signs for taking down the most successful team in Proleague history. Then again, miracles do happen. And oh boy, do we ever need a miracle for ACE to win, since all of SKT’s heavy hitters bar n.die_soO are performing like the gears of a well oiled machine. Bisu’s last two losses didn’t really show signs of a slump in any conventional sense of the word and Best showed just how scary his TvP can be, just in case ACE sends out a 4-Terran lineup again. If you are no Proleague affecionado, you might be tempted to skip this, but CJ vs. KT proved that miracles can happen, and even if they don’t – you might be getting to see Kal in action again. Good enough odds for me.
My prediction: Air Force ACE 1-3 SK Telecom T1


Wednesday, December 21st

[image loading]Samsung KHAN vs Team 8[image loading]


Team 8 really disappointed me last week. The talent is undoubtably there, and with all the new info and the maps not being dissimilar to maps they all should be familiar with, the team should be a major contender. The greatest disappointments are Jaehoon and Killer. I spent a lot of time in private conversations defending Jaehoon, pointing at his new quality of play, but when his nerves are strained, he can’t churn out a win. Killer seems to have the same problem, and the coach is very hesitant to send out the rookies. Furthermore, they are facing a soaring KHAN – the team that just beat down the mighty SKT, has depth unprecedented in the teams history, and morale that is definitely superior to the constantly worried faces of team 8. Even the matchups seem less horrible, but that might just be because the coach actually has an abundance of performing players to choose from and doesn’t have to nurse a dragon back to health by feeding him undeserved ACE matches. Baby and Jaedong should in my own biased opinion win their games, but the third win is where it gets tricky. The wonderful additions of RorO and the still performing Stork should give KHAN the edge they need. This should be interesting, but the weight of having to prove themselves is definitely rather on team 8.
My prediction: Samsung KHAN 3-2 Team 8


Saturday, 24th of December

[image loading]CJ Entus vs. Team 8[image loading]


Even if Team 8 manages to pull a win out vs. KHAN, playing CJ at this time has to be scary as hell. Yes, yes, KT barely managed to beat them in a spectacular upset. But let’s be fair here – KT seems to base it’s entire image nowadays on creating upsets that would be less upsetting if the Zerg line would play with any sort of consistency. If you don’t know why I think CJ is scary, you haven’t been paying enough attention for the last two weeks – all their players are just in great form at the moment and everyone in their main lineup is good enough to win an individual league, if they haven’t done so already. Honestly, Team 8 was likely pushed too early into playing too many matches early on, and if CJ doesn’t fold over again after receiving every single snipe they wanted (I mean LOOK at the KT vs. CJ lineup and tell me how many matches were favorable for KT?), they should have this in the bag.
My prediction: CJ Entus 3-1 Team 8


Sunday, 25th of December

[image loading]Air Force ACE vs Samsung KHAN[image loading]


Air Force ACE vs. Samsung KHAN is in a way a battle of generations. M18M, Firebathero, and great all used to have a KHAN background, and seeing these two teams clash just highlights how much KHAN has changed lately. To think - last season KHAN was thought of as Stork with support, and this was made even worse with Jangbi, Stork and great slumping near the end of the season. Now one half of the KHAN team that won the Proleague in '08 faces off against the Protoss half of it. On the other hand, FBH isn't as godawful in TvP any more, and M18M shows excellent mechanics. Unfortunately, great has been a disappointment every match he's played this season, but he might dust it off to play against his former team. I wonder how KHAN fans themselves must feel? Either way, I am fairly certain that New KHAN > Old KHAN (ACE) and that this new KHAN might very well find itself in the finals this season if they keep performing like they do.
My prediction: Air Force ACE 1-3 Samsung KHAN

[image loading]SK Telecom T1 vs. STX SouL[image loading]


For the last few days, I have been humming "Good Morning“ from "Singing in the Rain“ so long, I might take dancing lessons just to transform that banana grin into a tapdance number. It’s evident this has to end, so what I get for Christmas is SKT beating STX into the ground 3-nill. The STX coach is pretty much desperate to receive a satisfying performance from his team, with Bogus still on 0%(!) and most of the teams wins coming from BO wins in ZvZ-s. Rookies like mini, last and Dear will be fodder for the mighty guns of SKT, and this time, I’m struggling to think of a matchup that this could produce that would interest a non-SKT fan. Free win for SKTetty much.
My prediction: SK Telecom T1 3-0 STX SouL

Match of the week: Samsung KHAN vs. Team 8 – Two TBLS members, Baby on fire, Jangbi on fire, high chance of TvX, something a lot of TL members are looking forward to, seeing the recent explosion of PvZ.


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This Proleague update was brought to you by Team Liquid's SPL 2011-12 R1 coverage team - riptide, HawaiianPig, Kiante and mustaju, with guest writers 2pacalypse and Xxio. Special thanks to fishuu for drawing our new mascot. See you all next week. Merry Christmas everyone!

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astroorion
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United States1022 Posts
December 20 2011 04:07 GMT
#2
Fantastic Writeup! Just sad that I can't watch as much BW as I want
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United States2094 Posts
December 20 2011 04:08 GMT
#3
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Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
December 20 2011 04:11 GMT
#4
Good write up
Shame that Effort faltered this week, going out in game five, too, but it was exciting to see KT send out Flash first so that he couldn't be sniped if the match went all the way. And Sayle has been doing great with the re-commentating the games in English at reasonable hours, its pretty exciting even though he doesn't quite have the inflection of the Korean commentators yet
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United States6151 Posts
December 20 2011 04:14 GMT
#5
All I have to say is that sKyHigh made me very very proud this week. That game was amazing.
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
December 20 2011 04:17 GMT
#6
Great write-up!

It's not so much that Jaehoon was "out of form": Jaehoon's a solid A-class now, but his PvZ is still poor... and PvZ is almost always the problem matchup for Protoss (the main exceptions recently are Movie and (of course) Bisu). Which is to say, yeah it was an easy win for ZerO but don't knock the 'hoon.
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Malaysia98 Posts
December 20 2011 04:17 GMT
#7
Good write up, keep up with the solid articles
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Canada2371 Posts
December 20 2011 04:24 GMT
#8
This is so excellent. For BW! Awesome job guys.
endy
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Switzerland8970 Posts
December 20 2011 04:27 GMT
#9
Great write-up as usual. Too bad for SKT, but losing to Khan was well deserved. A win against ACE this afternoon is perfect to gain confidence.

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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
December 20 2011 04:28 GMT
#10
I'm hoping for a skyhigh resurgence, and also for kimdongwoo to keep hitting those matchups, He landed most (if not all MUs he wanted), hopefully he can stay consistent on that, so CJ has an easier time.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 04:46:53
December 20 2011 04:41 GMT
#11
Yay Sayle!

EDIT: Yay, points back up! Anyways, amazing as always!
Whaaaa?
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United States1414 Posts
December 20 2011 04:43 GMT
#12
That week hurt my fantasy team
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Canada5155 Posts
December 20 2011 04:43 GMT
#13
On December 20 2011 13:41 Misder wrote:
Yay Sayle!

Also, what happened to the points?


Nothing! What are you talking about?!?! No one forgot to add them at all. Nope.
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Sawamura
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Malaysia7602 Posts
December 20 2011 04:44 GMT
#14
Impressive write up as always thanks.
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United States3858 Posts
December 20 2011 04:46 GMT
#15
Love the new mascot image! :D
Dakkas
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2550 Posts
December 20 2011 04:48 GMT
#16
On December 20 2011 13:17 VGhost wrote:
Great write-up!

It's not so much that Jaehoon was "out of form": Jaehoon's a solid A-class now, but his PvZ is still poor... and PvZ is almost always the problem matchup for Protoss (the main exceptions recently are Movie and (of course) Bisu). Which is to say, yeah it was an easy win for ZerO but don't knock the 'hoon.


*pats you on the back*
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United States7481 Posts
December 20 2011 04:51 GMT
#17
typical of pl team to make bisu their mascot ^^
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 20 2011 05:06 GMT
#18
On December 20 2011 13:51 Antoine wrote:
typical of pl team to make bisu their mascot ^^

And with a Khan icon to boost!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 20 2011 05:09 GMT
#19
On December 20 2011 14:06 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 13:51 Antoine wrote:
typical of pl team to make bisu their mascot ^^

And with a Khan icon to boost!

I made a bet to change my icon to khan and support khan if jangbi won the osl (this was back when he just scraped through the qualifiers) and i delivered.

i still love bisu tho
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Estonia4504 Posts
December 20 2011 05:13 GMT
#20
On December 20 2011 13:51 Antoine wrote:
typical of pl team to make bisu their mascot ^^

Let's just say the decision was not unanimous.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
December 20 2011 05:19 GMT
#21
Wow, great read. I read through the whole thing eagerly. Maybe part of that is just my excitement from Samsung Khan, and their Captain Stork, doing so well.
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United States506 Posts
December 20 2011 05:23 GMT
#22
awesome read. thank you! :D
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dartoo
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India2889 Posts
December 20 2011 05:28 GMT
#23
Epic Bisu-Pylon love was awesome! I didnt read the section though cause I havent seen some of the games yet :D
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Australia7535 Posts
December 20 2011 05:36 GMT
#24
Another fantastic write up team. Great job !
NinjaNitrate
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December 20 2011 05:36 GMT
#25
I really, really like what Sayle said about SC2 players to BW. For example, I decided after seeing games from Fantasy (this was a couple of months ago) that I really loved his play style. I was instantly hooked and when I found out there was even more good stuff (other awesome players, sweet tournaments, epic games) I just got really excited. I stood back and could see the whole jelly bean tree and it was awesome.

Since then I've been trying to keep up and catch up on all the BW I can possibly get my hands on. I've learned soooo much about players, timelines and strategies over the past months it's really incredible - to the point of jumping into any BW thread and knowing exactly what they're all talking about. So thanks to this awesome game and awesome community for showing me just how awesome StarCraft is.
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5673 Posts
December 20 2011 05:37 GMT
#26
On December 20 2011 13:51 Antoine wrote:
typical of pl team to make bisu their mascot ^^

u mad

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Canada5155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 05:44:49
December 20 2011 05:38 GMT
#27
On December 20 2011 14:13 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 13:51 Antoine wrote:
typical of pl team to make bisu their mascot ^^

Let's just say the decision was not unanimous.

they mad

mod edit: am mad
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riptide
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December 20 2011 05:39 GMT
#28
yeah they mad
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CosmicHippo
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United States547 Posts
December 20 2011 05:40 GMT
#29
Awesome write up, i wish i would have been able to watch proleague with the ace format
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Russian Federation286 Posts
December 20 2011 05:55 GMT
#30
BOGUS FFIGHTING!
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United States3735 Posts
December 20 2011 06:00 GMT
#31
LOL At Bisupylon luurve.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 06:46:23
December 20 2011 06:04 GMT
#32
Another job well done, you guys do such a great job. I hope those predictions for SKT come true, love the Bisu+pylon <3

I just don't know with Team8 vs Khan though, argh. It would be awesome for Khan to win, but Team 8 needs to get more wins too :/

Also I hope this stays up on front page a little longer than the last one.
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United States10328 Posts
December 20 2011 06:15 GMT
#33
nice writeup Weird that each column didn't have its author's name next to it though...
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 20 2011 06:36 GMT
#34
Bad week for your predictions
Jaedong :3
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United States17920 Posts
December 20 2011 06:37 GMT
#35
It's always a bad week for predictions ^.^
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
December 20 2011 06:53 GMT
#36
SKT and Khan fighting!
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United States616 Posts
December 20 2011 07:50 GMT
#37
the jelly bean tree produces some delicious beans.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
December 20 2011 08:07 GMT
#38
For some reason, I was under the impression that WJN is playing KT on Christmas. Was there a schedule change?
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Germany38463 Posts
December 20 2011 08:45 GMT
#39
Great write-up :3 I, too, am a bit accustomed to watching Sayle's stream during PL.
Love the graphics @_@
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 20 2011 09:00 GMT
#40
I never expected Team 8 to be number one on the board, new teams always have a rough start. Just hope they can get an upset against the Khans because CJ atm seem so solid. I'll be rooting for a team 8 non the less.
And i will dream of a period where Sea/Killer/Jeahoon get there proper form back and together with the others start owning faces, to put them in the picture for a nice sponsor.
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
December 20 2011 09:00 GMT
#41
i think there should be a section of the proleague weekly review dedicated to the song choices for each player. I bet somebody could write a whole page on the reggae song Stork used. or Wohoo by Crazy Hydra.
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Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 20 2011 09:41 GMT
#42
nice write up!
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Profile Joined October 2010
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December 20 2011 10:34 GMT
#43
On December 20 2011 18:00 Lysanias wrote:
I never expected Team 8 to be number one on the board, new teams always have a rough start. Just hope they can get an upset against the Khans because CJ atm seem so solid. I'll be rooting for a team 8 non the less.
And i will dream of a period where Sea/Killer/Jeahoon get there proper form back and together with the others start owning faces, to put them in the picture for a nice sponsor.


Those three playing at their best is scary, Team 8 would show you what a real deep team is
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Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 20 2011 11:08 GMT
#44
This week was devastating for my Liquibet

But doesn't matter, as long as we get some awesome BW action!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
December 20 2011 12:16 GMT
#45
Sayyyyyyyyyyyyle <3
His casting is so funny
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Malaysia1731 Posts
December 20 2011 12:36 GMT
#46
great write up. Thanks.

KT fighting!!!!!!
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December 20 2011 12:37 GMT
#47
Good job, thank you!
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December 20 2011 14:05 GMT
#48
Jaehoon had to play Flash, Bisu and Zero in his 3 games. Find me any A-class P who would be expected to beat them or even take a game off them (well, besides free :D) I don't think he's out of form at all, just very unlucky so far.

Killer is in a ZvZ slump though, no doubt about that. Sea seems to think he's Flash and keeps playing TvP on Jade, no clue what's going on there. Is that map supposed to be good for TvP?

Excellent writeup, as always. BW fighting!
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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
December 20 2011 15:02 GMT
#49
Awesome, I love you all!
And the first thing I did was scrolling down to Mustaju's prediction results, lol.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 15:08:54
December 20 2011 15:08 GMT
#50
I''m just kinda getting into watching BW when ever I can and im kinda sadd that i missed the old format. I really liked the idea of the ace match but i can understand why the league wanted to change it i guess > < .
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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 20 2011 15:44 GMT
#51
Sayle #1 cutie <3

He's sitting next to me off-racing as terran and building nothing but tanks and ravens against Korean Masters players lol

Writer:o
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
December 20 2011 16:35 GMT
#52
Interesting interviews and cool reports for the matches, but I'm kinda saddened by the fact that there are no battle reports.
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Sweden142 Posts
December 20 2011 17:10 GMT
#53
Cant get much better then this! Great work TL:s SPL team!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 17:29:22
December 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#54
Did he say Flash was a poor player? O_O

Far as watching any sort of SC goes, I just need someone babbling excitedly in the background. Doesn't really matter if it's in English or Korean, as long as they sound enthusiastic it makes watching the game better. Idunno.
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KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 18:11:12
December 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#55
i always love the bw coverages :3333333333333

EDIT: also i love jaehoon, next osl winner calling it nao
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Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
December 20 2011 18:34 GMT
#56
Hi Sayle. I watched pro BW for years and I'll be looking forward to watching some Jaedong, Flash and Bisu matches on your stream.

PS I f'ing hate BW elitists.
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Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
December 20 2011 19:02 GMT
#57
KT vs CJ was such a fun MU hopefully i can catch the stats vs effort on sayles stream :D
Axonn
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia287 Posts
December 20 2011 19:03 GMT
#58
hahahahah Sayle <3 your interview made my day. Nice coverage overall thank you guys
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
December 20 2011 20:26 GMT
#59
Sayle is awesome, i even stopped seeing BW live to catch his casting in english. As a side note, his chat and mods are top notch, there's almost no spoiling at all even if half the people knows the results.
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Holy Check
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Romania155 Posts
December 20 2011 22:15 GMT
#60
Lol, where are the people overexcited about Mustaju's predictions now (yes Kiante, you)?
Shuray
Profile Joined July 2008
Brazil642 Posts
December 20 2011 22:37 GMT
#61
Nice article! It's good to have some BW love with so much SC2 coverage out there.
The best thing on my day is when I get home from work, turn on the PC and it's like 15min to start SPL rebroadcast by Sayle!

Thanks for that Sayle, I can't watch SPL on regular times (original cast), so I wait the whole day so that I can watch it with your commentaries.
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
December 21 2011 00:46 GMT
#62
Interesting write up!
Also it would be nice to see a second caster coming to cast with Sayle. It's always nice to have casters sharing point of views predictions and analyses

pappelee
Profile Joined April 2010
China34 Posts
December 21 2011 01:44 GMT
#63
jaedong fighting
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10154 Posts
December 21 2011 01:58 GMT
#64
LOL SAYLE I LOVE YOU!

Sayle: if KT stops putting in bad players like Stats and Flash and starts playing Reach, they might have a chance.

Keep FlaSh and Stats in, but put in Reach instead of Mind or CH. :D
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Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
December 21 2011 03:48 GMT
#65
Nice write up !

Keep up the good BW coverage, love it.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
December 21 2011 04:49 GMT
#66
The complaints about the new format are ridiculous:

"In past seasons, fans could expect to see at least one good match per series. Unless a sniper was planned in advance, S class players like Jaedong and Flash would inevitably play in the [ACE] set."
Between the map dictating what race a team sends and attempted snipings, showdowns between top players in ace matches are pretty rare. Nothing like great vs ggaemo to determine who is the better team!

"In many ways it was the ideal format – it had enough room for a variety of players as well as the S-class battles only an ACE match can produce."
If Bo7 didn't take so long I might agree with this.

"No ace matches is still a huge bummer to me. It added a depth of strategy within proleague games that allowed coaches and sniper players outsmart the other."
And there's plenty of strategy in sets that are not ACE matches!

"I think it's reasonable to think that players like Flash, Jaedong, Stork, and Baby will have an easier time preparing (SKT and CJ have such a deep roster that the stress level should be comparatively lower)."
Which means that players won't get burnt out and we'll see higher quality games as well as better performances in the OSL!

"Less games means that (1) newer players have fewer opportunities to play in Proleague..."
This is repeated a lot, but the difference between Bo7 with ace matches and Bo5 without in terms of players you send is only 1 (6 vs 5). 5 lineup spots is large enough that newer players still have an opportunity to play on most teams (ie not Team8 and CJ), we'll just being seeing them less (which is fine) but we've already seen a lot of "bench" players get opportunities to play this year.
"But because of this increased value placed on each match, the teams will be pressured to send out stronger players on average than had the format remained at 7 games."
Which would maybe suck if every team was like Team8 and CJ, but seeing as most teams only have a clear top 3 players at most this is fine. STX, Khan, ACE, KT, and Stars have all sent out players diverse enough for my liking.

And then you guys go on about how much you love ace matches and how the format isn't entertaining without it. From my POV, yes, you are getting old - the new PL format is fine (actually, it's better than fine - Bo5 w/out ACE is my favorite format ever).
brood war for life, brood war forever
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
December 21 2011 09:03 GMT
#67
On December 21 2011 07:15 Holy Check wrote:
Lol, where are the people overexcited about Mustaju's predictions now (yes Kiante, you)?

Man, way to rub it in. I was on a lucky streak, never claimed otherwise.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
December 21 2011 11:14 GMT
#68
paul the octopus died you know

T_T
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zappa372
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Chile365 Posts
December 21 2011 19:53 GMT
#69
Bisuuuuuuuu! So cute. Great writeup. I'm gonna tune in when Sayle casts. Sayle you're awesome. Know it.
EE HAN TIMING!
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
December 22 2011 00:53 GMT
#70
Thx for this!

Also, Sayle kind of sounds like Klazart, which is only one of the reasons why he is so awesome :D
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
December 22 2011 05:24 GMT
#71
Great read guys, well done.

Particularly liked the Sayle interview. I listen to the Koreans typically, but I was impressed with Sayle's commentary while watching some of the recent Clan Wars footage.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
December 22 2011 16:44 GMT
#72
On December 21 2011 20:14 Kiante wrote:
paul the octopus died you know

T_T



T___________T!!
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poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
December 23 2011 21:09 GMT
#73
Samsung doing well is not unexpected now that Stork, the Commander, is the new team captain. =)

Stork, why are you so sexy?!
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
December 26 2011 18:53 GMT
#74
Nice writeup ]
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xingnian
Profile Joined December 2011
Barbados2 Posts
December 29 2011 08:10 GMT
#75
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