• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:04
CET 06:04
KST 14:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada1SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA2StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1723 users

[SPL] Proleague 2011 - 2012 Season Preview - Page 5

Forum Index > News
237 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 Next All
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
November 25 2011 15:54 GMT
#81
CCCCCJJJJJJJ.

So pumped. Can't effing wait.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Finskie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden412 Posts
November 25 2011 15:57 GMT
#82
dat content. i get impressed every time i read a bw-article

GO KHAN
Violet.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
November 25 2011 15:57 GMT
#83
Will there ever be a more epic photo of any progamer than that one of FBH?

I call unlikely.

That aside, kicking off a PL season with SKT vs 8. OH MY GOD YES!
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 25 2011 16:02 GMT
#84
Man, you are so wrong about Woongjin. They will rape everyone this season. The Tsunami is coming...
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
November 25 2011 16:18 GMT
#85
I love it! I can't wait until tonight.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
November 25 2011 16:26 GMT
#86
On November 26 2011 00:22 MoonBear wrote:
YYEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Proleague is back! :D

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:51 Spica wrote:
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!

I approve of shoving in more SKT-related content

And of this title: "SK Telecom T1, the godfathers of Starcraft Progaming"

There is never enough SKT Content!

these men speak the truth!

let it be known that SK Telecom T1 is the best team ever in Progaming history!
POGGERS
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
November 25 2011 16:28 GMT
#87
This is so beautiful TT

long live broodwar.
1click
Profile Joined October 2011
Vietnam4 Posts
November 25 2011 16:33 GMT
#88
I plan to be there tomorrow. It says that the first match starts at 12:00 PM KST, but the opening ceremony starts at 11:00 AM KST?
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
November 25 2011 16:35 GMT
#89
Looking forward to this, will be my first proleague i'll follow from the start!!

Not sure who to cheer for yet, but i'll find someone!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 25 2011 16:38 GMT
#90
The feeling I got when I saw the yellow "2" in the liquibet corner.
Reading the hype posts!
I love broodwar.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:58:56
November 25 2011 16:45 GMT
#91
Wowow sick nice write ups guys :D Thanks for your work, looks great.

edit: although to be honest the misuse of commas is really irritating after awhile.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
November 25 2011 16:48 GMT
#92
On November 25 2011 18:44 riptide wrote:
BROODWAR IS BACK!


It never truly left.

I look forward to threepeating over SKT1. T8 can take bronze if they like
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
Psyon67
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8 Posts
November 25 2011 16:48 GMT
#93
On November 25 2011 23:44 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.


The issue here isn't Western culture vs. Eastern culture, it's an issue of sensitivity. I'm not saying anyone's racist or anti-semitic, the map maker probably meant it as a symbol for good luck, but that doesn't make it okay. Just because a symbol isn't insensitive to one culture does not mean it isn't insensitive to other cultures. There's a reason you don't wear a KGB shirt through the airport at Prague, or name a map "the Trail of Tears", it's insensitive to cultures and associated with terrible events. The swastika may be a symbol for good luck, but to many in the world its the symbol associated with the Holocaust. I think they should replace it with a different map.
Alex)
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Scotland263 Posts
November 25 2011 16:49 GMT
#94
sniper ridge looks german favoured
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 25 2011 16:55 GMT
#95
On November 26 2011 01:49 Alex) wrote:
sniper ridge looks german favoured


its Buddhist.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 25 2011 17:00 GMT
#96
What's incredible is that not only does this season look to be even better than those who preceded it (as you rightly pointed out), but that TL BW articles seem to be improving even faster in quality. Truly appreciated that you asked out some good foreign players for their opinion, hope to see that sort of thing again in the future. I think it is also a good publicity for the foreign scene which has been lots of fun to follow during those months hollow of pro-bw =)
Cheers, to the greatest season of proleague ever ! <3
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
November 25 2011 17:13 GMT
#97
On November 26 2011 01:48 Psyon67 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:44 bearbuddy wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.


The issue here isn't Western culture vs. Eastern culture, it's an issue of sensitivity. I'm not saying anyone's racist or anti-semitic, the map maker probably meant it as a symbol for good luck, but that doesn't make it okay. Just because a symbol isn't insensitive to one culture does not mean it isn't insensitive to other cultures. There's a reason you don't wear a KGB shirt through the airport at Prague, or name a map "the Trail of Tears", it's insensitive to cultures and associated with terrible events. The swastika may be a symbol for good luck, but to many in the world its the symbol associated with the Holocaust. I think they should replace it with a different map.

Nazi Germany has nothing to do with South Korea. The buddhist symbol, aka a swastika, is waaaay more culturally relevant to South Korea than the Nazi hakenkreuz and they associate the swastika with buddhism. PL is exclusively aired in South Korea and we are illegally streaming it. There is no issue here.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:20:24
November 25 2011 17:15 GMT
#98
On November 26 2011 01:48 Psyon67 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:44 bearbuddy wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:38 ciaiei wrote:
WTF Sniper ridge? doesn't anyone else see that the whole map is clearly a Swastika?

how can a map like that be in something like Proleague?


...

On November 25 2011 21:12 kdgns wrote:
On November 25 2011 19:27 MBH wrote:
Does anybody else think that "Sniper Ridge" kinda looks like a swastika?


The nazi swastika is a right facing diamond swastika, this is a left facing flat swastika, which is widely regarded as a symbol for Buddhism, its important to make the distinction


This question has popped up a couple dozen times across different threads. God forbid we have a culture that's not Western.


The issue here isn't Western culture vs. Eastern culture, it's an issue of sensitivity. I'm not saying anyone's racist or anti-semitic, the map maker probably meant it as a symbol for good luck, but that doesn't make it okay. Just because a symbol isn't insensitive to one culture does not mean it isn't insensitive to other cultures. There's a reason you don't wear a KGB shirt through the airport at Prague, or name a map "the Trail of Tears", it's insensitive to cultures and associated with terrible events. The swastika may be a symbol for good luck, but to many in the world its the symbol associated with the Holocaust. I think they should replace it with a different map.


Except, as kdgns pointed out, it's a reverse swastika of the Nazi one. They are two distinctive things. Proleague is in Korea, all the way across the world, with a symbol that's been there for far longer than the reversed one that's been around for less than a hundred years.

Let me play the devil's advocate for a second: let's adorn buildings with crosses and other symbols that's true to their original and not a reversed cross. After all, it doesn't offend anyone persecuted due to religions reasons and it's okay.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 25 2011 17:16 GMT
#99
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG SO EXCITED FOR PROLEAGUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Translator
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 25 2011 17:21 GMT
#100
Samsung KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
kiss kiss fall in love
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 185
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 28405
Shuttle 909
Tasteless 142
Noble 35
Icarus 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm92
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 457
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox460
Other Games
summit1g14568
JimRising 568
C9.Mang0114
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1130
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH90
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1382
• Stunt417
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
6h 57m
OSC
11h 57m
Replay Cast
17h 57m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 6h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 17h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.