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On September 02 2011 16:39 white_horse wrote:
soO should lose on purpose because if he wins, he is basically signing up for the hatred of 1 million protoss fans.
He can already count on my hatred, as one of those many players who won a coin flip against better players than them to manage to enter osl ro4 
This ro8 was only interesting because of the Jangbi-Flash match-up, even more because Flash didn't stomp Jangbi badly, which is kinda a good thing because otherwise, it would have looked like there's no hope to anyone to beat Flash in a series.
Time for surgery now for Flash, i hope Jangbi can win the title but it's gonna be a hard path for him...
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As much as you'd like to think it, I'm not a Flash anti-fan. I certainly do not deny his success. Like I said, he has been very successful, successful in making every game he plays about as interesting as watching paint dry.
Well, now I'm going to have to watch the OSL, now that he's gone.
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On September 02 2011 15:41 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll. ... ... ... I've got nothing.
Flash's success is primarily due to him making fifty bajillion timing attacks. It's like people haven't realized that 80% of his games are him doing a timing push or something. He had a short stint in late 08 to early 09 where all he would do was turtle and it didn't work as much as he wanted, and has since over the past 2 years been incredibly aggressive. I might should clarify by saying he's the most aggressive terran around, and one of the most aggressive gamers overall (You might chalk Bisu up to being more aggressive since he gets to play pvp instead of tvt, etc).
Basically you'd have to have not watched Flash play TvZ and TvP for the past couple of years to think he's a turtle.
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awesome write up
just curious did Flash already have surgery?
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On September 02 2011 17:52 pigtheman wrote:
awesome write up
just curious did Flash already have surgery?
Scheduled for the 19th.
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I'm not 100% percent sure about everything Kwark writes, but I agree on the main part of his analysis.
I guess Riptide's stuff is a good imitation of how dumb Flash anti-fans can be.
The predictions are pretty good I guess.
Thanks for the article !
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On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:Lee Young Ho. Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>? Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups.
That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain.
Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.
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Yes, the kind of analyses that I needed for my D+ brain. Some serious writing talent, cause I feel like I read it from the very beginning to the very end, or is it a Jangbi effect?) Thanks again.
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On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:Lee Young Ho. Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>? Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups. That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain. Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.
you mean like.... Iloveoov?
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Croatia9545 Posts
JangBi MUST win this OSL. It's written in stars!
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2011 17:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:41 baubo wrote:On September 02 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I absolutely love Kwark's analysis. I absolutely hate Riptide's single minded view of the most aggressive player in broodwar by calling him boring -- and that's when I realized he's a REALLY good troll. ... ... ... I've got nothing. Flash's success is primarily due to him making fifty bajillion timing attacks. It's like people haven't realized that 80% of his games are him doing a timing push or something. He had a short stint in late 08 to early 09 where all he would do was turtle and it didn't work as much as he wanted, and has since over the past 2 years been incredibly aggressive. I might should clarify by saying he's the most aggressive terran around, and one of the most aggressive gamers overall (You might chalk Bisu up to being more aggressive since he gets to play pvp instead of tvt, etc). Basically you'd have to have not watched Flash play TvZ and TvP for the past couple of years to think he's a turtle. I don't think you understand what the word aggressive means. It doesn't mean attacking or timing attacks or whatever you think it means, it means attacking whenever you have an opportunity to attack and being quite reckless with your units. See Turn, Horang2 and idk, Kwanro/hyuk/Shine for prime examples from each race. If we're talking about terrans specifically, see Turn, Hiya, Fantasy, Leta in order from most aggressive to less aggressive but still more aggressive than Flash. Being very aggressive to the point of recklessness means you lose. Flash simply attacks at the best possible time. There is a difference there and it's the reason he's the best terran we've ever seen.
I'm looking forward to the finals preview 
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This article was sure hard on Jangbi despite his win.
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United States44230 Posts
To clarify, I got put into diamond upon starting sc2. My iccup extrapolation rank is clearly bonjwa.
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Great post, but I have a feeling in my guts that Hydra is going to beat Fantasy.
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cool write up - JangBi for president
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On September 02 2011 19:14 Ikonn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:Lee Young Ho. Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>? Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups. That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain. Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft. you mean like.... Iloveoov?
Iloveoov isn't boring though in both gameplay and personality. His gameplay is strickly based on his greed, his overexpand and then its like "Oh shit, how is he going to defend?!?!" that type of play, it makes me excited to see him playing. He would MATCH expos with Zerg and Protoss when they take their's. Flash on the other hand.....would play the safest build ever but would win with it because he plays everything very subtly. And Iloveoov is like the biggest trashtalker ever lol Whenever Flash does it, he loses pretty badly.
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On September 02 2011 18:41 Holy Check wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:34 Waxangel wrote:Lee Young Ho. Do you remember when this guy was a cheesy KT newbie who could only do <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/10263_BoxeR_vs_Flash/vod">dumb stuff like this</a>? Not many of you do, but the player he evolved into over time makes me almost wish he stayed that way. Flash, in essence, killed Broodwar. No, I'm not talking about <a href="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396#1">conspiracy theories</a>. Flash destroyed Broodwar with the 14cc/1rax FE. This is not to say that he pioneered those builds. Oh, no, nothing as ground breaking as that. He just used them <strike>ad infinitum</strike> ad nauseam, and in the process squeezed any semblance of beauty, creativity and grace from all Terran matchups. That's exactly what separates Flash from the other bonjwas. Bonjwa isn't a cold-hearted term which stands for dominance, it's something that comes as much from the heart as it comes from the brain. Boxer took a boring defensive race and made it dynamic, aggressive, innovative, beautiful. Some might say he is responsible for the birth of competitive Starcraft. Flash took a boring defensive race and made it more boring, more defensive and more predictable. Some might say he is responsible for the downfall of competitive Starcraft.
Hmm, I wonder who you are...
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United States44230 Posts
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The only thing I hate about Flash losing at this point is that it encourages Flash anti-fans to come and say dumb things about him. Don't get me wrong, it's better for the sport for him to not be in every finals, so I'm not upset at that. But after all this time are people still falling back to the Flash the boring turtle insult? Sigh.
Thanks for the nice writeup OSL team, it was very well done.
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