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[NASL] Grand Finals Preview / Playoffs Recap - Page 9

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ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
July 07 2011 22:54 GMT
#161
Great artwork in this one! Let's hope the finals go well in all aspects(yes that includes american internet)!
Tokk
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
July 07 2011 23:09 GMT
#162
I'm planning my entire weekend around this. High hopes!
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
July 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#163
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
July 07 2011 23:39 GMT
#164
looking forward to this tournament finals, NASL ftw. LOL @ the day 9 picture
SlayerS Fighting!
liam33
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada192 Posts
July 07 2011 23:49 GMT
#165
when is NASL grand finals?
Kaz.
Profile Joined October 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 17:19:39
July 07 2011 23:50 GMT
#166
haven't read this yet, epic photo of geoff and day[9]

edit: I totally agree with Jim Lloyds article. The reason I've watched the NASL this season and will continue to watch is because of the matchups it has created, bringing korean and foreigners together on a consistent basis.
GL this weekend, Sheth fighting
Attitude is forever
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
July 08 2011 00:06 GMT
#167
Hopefully it is double elimination, would be sad to see MC or Boxer leave the tournament too quickly^^
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
Rodeo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States39 Posts
July 08 2011 00:27 GMT
#168
Trials and tribulations, those there were no shortage of.


Worst sentences in the English language, that this is one of.

But seriously, I'm psyched for the finals. Sheth fighting!
You say you want lurkers? I want scourge! Bye bye colossi.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 08 2011 00:41 GMT
#169
dayum day9 is sexy
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 08 2011 01:35 GMT
#170
On July 08 2011 08:22 Perchloric wrote:
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.


Yeah seriously 10 pool and mutas = cheesy?

Sounds like more than a 'little' bias.

Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 02:02:46
July 08 2011 02:01 GMT
#171
Takezou, I'm obviously talking about game 2, where Zenio open hatch first (not 10 pool like you said), and I fail to see how mutalisk usage is considered cheesy in any MU whatsoever.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
July 08 2011 02:12 GMT
#172
Zenio comments are really biased. The guy is a ZvZ beast. Its like saying Nestea vs July, Nestea makes mutas=cheese. The game is revolved around calculated risk.
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
July 08 2011 02:15 GMT
#173
On July 08 2011 11:12 xbankx wrote:
Zenio comments are really biased. The guy is a ZvZ beast. Its like saying Nestea vs July, Nestea makes mutas=cheese. The game is revolved around calculated risk.



I like the way you put it.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 02:25:49
July 08 2011 02:20 GMT
#174
confusedcrib wrote:

"Zenio 2 - 1 dde" Don't Watch This"...
"Zenio 2 - 0 Idra" Cheesy games"...

"I no longer like to watch Zenio's ZvT."....
"Zenio man, I don't really like the way you've been playing lately. "....
"I really didn't like the way that Zenio played."....


whats your deal?
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
July 08 2011 02:24 GMT
#175
Definitely gave me a legit preview. Thanks for the work guys
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 08 2011 03:45 GMT
#176
Brilliant write up as always! Expecting some great games from this!
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
July 08 2011 03:45 GMT
#177
Notice Sheth's the only American? Well..., Select is somewhat American, I guess.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
July 08 2011 03:46 GMT
#178
On July 08 2011 08:22 Perchloric wrote:
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.


A 10 pool beating a hatch first is nothing new. If Idra sees it, he can cancel the hatch and win. If Idra sees the spire, he gets a couple spore crawlers, gets hydras out and wins. The nature of how Zenio played was crossing his fingers and hoping Idra didn't scout in time.

On July 08 2011 10:35 Takezou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 08:22 Perchloric wrote:
So, Zenio is a cheesy bastard bacause he make mutalisks is a ZvZ?
Sound a little bias to me.


Yeah seriously 10 pool and mutas = cheesy?

Sounds like more than a 'little' bias.



Yes, 10 pool and mutalisks in ZvZ at the professional level are cheesy (unless its on a map like Tal'Darim where it is a strategic choice).

On July 08 2011 11:01 Perchloric wrote:
Takezou, I'm obviously talking about game 2, where Zenio open hatch first (not 10 pool like you said), and I fail to see how mutalisk usage is considered cheesy in any MU whatsoever.


In ZvZ, mutalisks have a place in large maps where they can be used for map control in a small timing, the way Zenio used them was clearly meant to be a surprise and win the game. If Idra scouts it, Zenio was floating 1400 minerals and gas, so if Idra can deny, get out a couple of infestors and hydralisks, than he can easily counter push and win. The way Zenio went mutalisks on such a small map can be considered all in.

On July 08 2011 11:12 xbankx wrote:
Zenio comments are really biased. The guy is a ZvZ beast. Its like saying Nestea vs July, Nestea makes mutas=cheese. The game is revolved around calculated risk.


If the game you're referring to is on Tal'Darim altar, there is a point to using the mutalisks. On large maps they can deny expansions, kill overlords, and help contain.


On July 08 2011 11:20 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
confusedcrib wrote:

"Zenio 2 - 1 dde" Don't Watch This"...
"Zenio 2 - 0 Idra" Cheesy games"...

"I no longer like to watch Zenio's ZvT."....
"Zenio man, I don't really like the way you've been playing lately. "....
"I really didn't like the way that Zenio played."....


whats your deal?


I really didn't like the way Zenio played, and I'm allowed to say that. Unless you'd rather have me just blindly watching a replay and typing out every action that happens, there is going to be bias in any analysis of play. The way Zenio played in these two best of threes was very sloppy and luck oriented. It works, because it won, and he's obviously a good player to even pull off risky plays, but in my mind, that's not how Starcraft should be played. You only take risks if you have to, you don't take them because you're the better player.
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
July 08 2011 03:53 GMT
#179
I dislike the person who makes reference to Zenio vs Idra. Idra is simply an inappropriate reference to draw from. A win is a win, macro or 10 pool or 6 pool matters not. Idra did that to Sen and won that game, though lost the series. Please don't play the what-if-xyz-scouted game. Cheese is legi., regardless you like it or not.

Sen also did a Muta play against Zenio but Zenio's lone infestor missed the only available fungal and lost the game as a result. You can dislike a player's method of using certain unit, but that does not mean that player's wrong for that instance. As long as he wins, that's all that matters.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
July 08 2011 04:04 GMT
#180
On July 08 2011 12:53 twndomn wrote:
I dislike the person who makes reference to Zenio vs Idra. Idra is simply an inappropriate reference to draw from. A win is a win, macro or 10 pool or 6 pool matters not. Idra did that to Sen and won that game, though lost the series. Please don't play the what-if-xyz-scouted game. Cheese is legi., regardless you like it or not.

Sen also did a Muta play against Zenio but Zenio's lone infestor missed the only available fungal and lost the game as a result. You can dislike a player's method of using certain unit, but that does not mean that player's wrong for that instance. As long as he wins, that's all that matters.


I never say Zenio is a bad player at all in the write up. All I said is that he "He took a lot of risks and relied on surprise tactics for almost every ZvZ. I wouldn't expect him to beat Sen in the grand finals." but apparently that means that I think he is a terrible player :/
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
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