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[GSL] "Just Desserts" Super Tournament Rankings - Page 15

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hoborg
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States430 Posts
May 23 2011 02:34 GMT
#281
I thought those were Bagel Bites in the picture.

The look on Jinro's face is the perfect look to have on your face when you are superimposed in front of some Bagel Bites.
blbl | CJ and ACE fighting!
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
May 23 2011 03:14 GMT
#282
I'm hungry
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
May 23 2011 03:15 GMT
#283
a bit sad that folks are underrating Moon again, you'd think people would learn after the IEM writeup. The fact that Moon is an entire rung below folks who are wholesale more inconsistent (as Inconsistency is Moon's biggest fault) and have worse straight up results than him both in and out of GSL Makes his really low position pretty silly.

[/Moon fanboyism]

That said, awesome writeup, and I rather like the theme.
R.I.P. 우정호 || Do probes dream of psionic sheep?
Allied
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States129 Posts
May 23 2011 06:02 GMT
#284
one of the best well written writeups i've seen.

da bess
twitter: @AlliieD
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
May 23 2011 06:39 GMT
#285
On May 23 2011 12:15 Kibibit wrote:
a bit sad that folks are underrating Moon again, you'd think people would learn after the IEM writeup. The fact that Moon is an entire rung below folks who are wholesale more inconsistent (as Inconsistency is Moon's biggest fault) and have worse straight up results than him both in and out of GSL Makes his really low position pretty silly.

[/Moon fanboyism]

That said, awesome writeup, and I rather like the theme.


hope moon wins hong un xD
and i agree with you
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
May 23 2011 06:58 GMT
#286
hahaha! thank you for this! : )
^^
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 07:57:56
May 23 2011 07:57 GMT
#287
On May 22 2011 07:58 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 07:56 Nemara wrote:
Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?

From what I know Lyn and especially Moon and Grubby were on another level from those 3. Admittedly, I'm no expert on the WC3 scene, so if that's incorrect I can change it.
One could say that these three, and oftentimes also Sky, were considered the top WC3 players.

Check and Violet were known players, but did not reach the top tier.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Yami_no_cosmos
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden59 Posts
May 23 2011 07:57 GMT
#288
This is be a great tournament indeed. ♥
" Best at what I do, but what I do isn't pretty"
quickml
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
May 23 2011 08:10 GMT
#289
Terrible article. The rankings are unbelievably off. Gj on the categories though. I mean Clide is ranked higher than FruitDealer. Clide is the worst player since the Code S/A formation. He gets so much attention but hasn't won jack. He is a practice dummy at best.
"When you win, nothing hurts." -Joe Namath
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 08:48:49
May 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#290
I don't see how it's possible for someone to rate Alicia or MMA higher than MarineKing or sC, what's Alicia done to deserve such a ranking? I like MarineKing, but not one of those fanboys who rates him alongside MvP and Nestea, but still his very consistant results are worthy of a top 7 rank for sure. Someone like Alicia belongs in the 20's.

It's just a list though, everyone has an opinion.
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 08:49:27
May 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#291
On May 23 2011 10:59 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 07:28 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 23 2011 05:11 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:09 shaman6ix wrote:
On May 23 2011 02:41 Skank wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:43 Kluey wrote:
I use to be a Nestea fan until he commented about the balance. Anywho, good list!


You know he was joking, right?


says who? you? how that statement he made could ever in any universe be a joke? seemed pretty straight forward to me. im so tired of fanboys trying to protect their 'idols'.. nestea IS the best zerg in the world and a fantastic player overall but i never thought he was going to go down that idra road.. its sad really for a player of his caliber.


Calm down man, there are a lot of Zergs that think that: Sen, Morrow, Idra, Machine, etc. They should lose fans just for having an opinion? lol


just having an opinion? you think idra is just stating an opinion? to me it seems more like a immature kid full of teenage hormones who whines just about everything - and yes he should lose fans for that. statistics and tournament results aint backing up his sayings in any way but the thing is zerg whiners around the world are following him cause of their mindless fanboyism. I play protoss and i am a fan of MC and Whitera but if idra played protoss i would never ever be a fan of his (even if toss was the most underpowered race of all time which isnt quite the case with zerg). Nestea is a completely different story though, i respect him as a player and thats why it saddens me the fact that he commented on balance the way he did.

On topic though: i think the OP did an amazing job, great read. Of course i agree that MKP and sC should be higher on the list and MMA should be lower but hey i dont think there could be a list that everyone would agree with - opinions differ. Bomber is a different story than MMA though, i think he deserves sopt 4 (maybe 5 if MKP was 4) cause he is extremely skilled in my opinion. Top 3 is how it should be, the order doesnt matter.


IdrA's opinions have changed the game. You should take a look at some of the things he has complained about and then take a look at patches 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3



Someone has to speak up, idra is just known because his team doesn't stop him from doing so. (like ret)



hahaha yy keep telling yourself that. Im sure blizzard follows idra closely and doesnt actually patch if no previous whine has already occurred. Oh and while we're at it, lets give credit to all those people who were suggesting archons become massive.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 11:45:30
May 23 2011 09:02 GMT
#292
One thing I want to point out is that 6 of the top 10 players on the list are 23+, and MVP 20, MC 19( 20 next month), Losira 19, MKP 17(18 in two months).

We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
konaman
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia283 Posts
May 23 2011 09:34 GMT
#293
I think the article is very interesting and despite the fact that i disagree with a lot of it, it was an enjoyable read.

The article is obviously very form heavy, basically a current ability list, it would be interesting to contrast it with a SC2 "greatness" list, based on who a player has beaten and their opponents over the duration of SC2.

For instance someone like Nada is rated very high in this list, yet his record against opponents in the list isn't all that great. A few stats from looking through TL profiles and comparing it with the list:

Nada:

- 21 W versus 20 L (51 %) against 64 man list
- 10 W versus 15 L (40 %) against top 20
- 3 W versus 10 L (30 %) against top 10
- 0 W versus 3 L (0 %) against top 5

MarineKing:

- 54 W versus 33 L (62 %) against 64 man list
- 20 W versus 22 L (47 %) against top 20
- 14 W versus 18 L (43 %) against top 10
- 11 W versus 16 L (40 %) against top 5

Marineking's record against players excluding the three bosses, Nestea, MC and MVP, is exceptional, his record of 1-7 against MVP puts a big whack on his stats. Clearly his resume and calibre across the breadth of SC2 is considerably better than Nada.

Looking purely at numbers is disadvantageous for MarineKing however because he is a victim of his own success, having played 20 games against the aforementioned badarses.

Regardless of MarineKing's clear decline, and Nada's improvement, i can't put Nada above MarineKing even with a heavy form emphasis, there is too much of a difference in resume and achievements.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
May 23 2011 11:42 GMT
#294
MKP, July, Nada, before Losira, before MMA, Bomber and Alicia.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 12:25:04
May 23 2011 12:22 GMT
#295
On May 23 2011 16:57 [F_]aths wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 07:58 Antoine wrote:
On May 22 2011 07:56 Nemara wrote:
Surprisingly Lyn, not Moon or Grubby, is the most successful to date of the prominent WC3 players.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Kiwikaki?

From what I know Lyn and especially Moon and Grubby were on another level from those 3. Admittedly, I'm no expert on the WC3 scene, so if that's incorrect I can change it.
One could say that these three, and oftentimes also Sky, were considered the top WC3 players.

Check and Violet were known players, but did not reach the top tier.


There were a lot of top tier players in WC3 that were as good as Moon/Grubby/Lyn, but they all quit while those three continued to play the game for a long time. Although I'd have to say that Check was really good until he stopped practicing WC3/got lazy, and Violet was up and coming.

It's not surprising that the WC3 pros aren't showing that great results in SC2. It's a totally different game. WC3 was more intensely micro based, where the best micro would win the game. There IS micro in SC2, but micro just isn't as important as macro in this game due to the fact that more units are usually better than well controlled units. In WC3, you'd memorize a build order that usually had a maximum of 13 workers on one base, and 5-7 workers at each expansion (which were not plentiful usually)

I'm hoping they do better though.

EDIT: Surprised that MC/MVP/Nestea aren't ALL #1. I don't think they should be put in that order.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#296
Looks like MKP has been randomly penalised 5 places or so. Outside the top 3 he's easily been the most consistent player.
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Macabre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1262 Posts
May 23 2011 13:07 GMT
#297
Sweet read. That video of MC dancing just made my morning, fucking hilarious.
Those who know how to think need no teachers. Tasteless - I think I'll take my shirt off and let my muscles do the casting
LundiZ
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden39 Posts
May 23 2011 14:08 GMT
#298
Excellent writeup. I wonder what the next theme will be.. sportcars, lingerie models?
twitter.com/lundiz
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 23 2011 14:09 GMT
#299
The Squirtle section had me smiling throughout

Nice write up!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 15:50:18
May 23 2011 15:44 GMT
#300
My top 10 would be, at the moment:

1) NesTea
2) MC
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Bomber
6) Nada
7) July
8) Losaira
9) MMA
10) Alicia

Top four have all proven themselves they can make a final. The top three are in a league of their own. All three hold two titles. NesTea is currently on a tear and just swept the last Code S, so he's first. MC would be 2nd because he might have faltered, but he never went down to Code A and has been wracking up victories outside Korea. MVP for 3rd; in Code A, but still would pick him over the people below him in a Best of 5.

MarineKing is a great player, but still hasn't been able to get over his nerves. He seems to choke whenever all the pressure is on him. Doesn't matter if it's a final or an ace match in the team league, he seems to just lose it and play differently than usual. Still would rank him there because he's shown consistently that he could win the tournament with stronger confidence.

Bomber could be #4, but hasn't done crap in Code S yet. He also has said to have nerves, a reason why it took him forever to appear in GSL, but he got in finally and STOMPED Code A. I think he might be the second best player currently in the world behind NesTea, but he still needs to prove himself in the spotlight. This is his coming out party. He could have a date with NesTea in the Ro32; which, in my mind, could mean the whole tournament.

Nada/July are the old guard. Nada always ends up in the Top 8. July was in the finals not too long ago and has the experience to make it very deep. Would not be shocked if either of these made it to the finals.

Losaira, MMA and Alicia are the new young guns of their respective races. Losaira and Alica showed last Code S that they both could be challenging for a title really soon, and MMA has proved in the GSTL that he has the talent to beat anyone in the world. It might be this season or a few from now, but I think these three could come and take the places of the current Big 3 (NesTea, MC, MVP) in the GSL scene.

Notables: SC. I was debating putting him in the 10th spot over Alicia, but I think Alica, in the Slayers house, has a better chance of improving alongside people like Boxer, MMA, Ryung, etc than SC who is stuck on a team that is currently on a down turn except for him. Still an incredible player who could very well make the final.

Great article by the way. Always wanted to do a big Power Rankings of the current GSL combatants, but never could decide past the top fifteen or so. Would love to see more!
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