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[OSL] 2010 Bacchus OSL Semi-finals: Calm v Fantasy - Page 3

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43344 Posts
January 21 2011 07:07 GMT
#41
On January 21 2011 13:20 funnybananaman wrote:
I can't even begin to try and take note of all the bias against Fantasy in these writeups... somehow the overarching theme present in the whole series that calm knew he sucked too bad to play straight up with Fantasy so he cheesed apparently slipped by you kwark. Not only does Calm somehow get props in these articles for 4pooling twice in a row, Fantasy gets criticized when he defends it the second time and thoroughly stomps Calm. And then if you factor in how Calms only other win besides the 4 pool was a speedling runby into 2 hatch lurker its clear he had no shot at beating Fantasy. Fantasy played badly the first game, but beyond there isn't much to criticize. Beyond his incredible "luck" at defending calms 4 base hydra allin in the last game.

And then to say Flash Stork and Jaedong are the only three good players in starcraft, but not include Fantasy? Fantasy the guy taking Flash to a game 5 in an incredibly close tvt semifinal last OSL while Stork was at home sitting on his ass? and then making the finals this OSL when all the maps are horribly imbalanced against terran? give me a break Fantasy has proved himself 10000 times over to be one of the immediate next best after Flash and Jaedong. And if you still somehow think the finals between Stork and Fantasy is going to be one sided and decisive you're in for a surprise.

You caught me, I was actually trying to promote Calm and just doing a really bad job of it because I write like Calm multitasks. Busted. I still think Starcraft is 90% a game of chance though and Calm got unlucky that siege tanks are really good. How could he have known that this game mass siege tanks be able to mow down clumped hydralisks?
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oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
January 21 2011 07:07 GMT
#42
this breports made me mad..i dunno why but i wanna punch someone.,,man so much hate lol
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43344 Posts
January 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#43
On January 21 2011 12:23 Boblion wrote:
Those ratings are ridiculous.
Watch some GSL matches, come back and then tell me that no games in that semi final deserve more than 1/5.

Seriously -.-

This is Starcraft, not Starcraft II. The game has been worked out and there is a right way to play it. I know the right way to play it and if you have access to any Stork, Flash or Jaedong vods then you can too. Somehow these guys, professional players, not only demonstrated they don't know how to play the game but also led me to question their ability to get themselves dressed in the morning (hey Fantasy, no detection? Just unwall!).

This is the OSL semifinal, the final four players competing for the most prestigious and unattainable progaming title in the world, I'm gonna hold them to standards above that of the GSL code A.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 21 2011 07:19 GMT
#44
looool people are taking kwark's bashing a liiiiiittle too seriously i think

the games were definitely some of the most hilarious i've ever seen though
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 21 2011 08:01 GMT
#45
COME ON STORK :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 21 2011 09:21 GMT
#46
Great write-up, I liked every bit, and I agreed with almost all of it. I found the serie pretty entertaining, and probably would have given 3s to most matches juste for that. But yeah, they played terribly. That being said, speaking of Fantasy, he's only that retarded in TvZ. As for Calm I don't know, he might only be stupid at random times and when he's playing Fantasy ?
As for the SC2 thing, I'd probably give negative mark on the scale writers are using here. Clearly, a 0-5 scale is not enough to compare the two games, something lllike 0-20 would be better (I'd like it, more possibility to distinguish).
Anyway, I was greatly entertained, many thanks guys !
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HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
January 21 2011 09:27 GMT
#47
Hahahaha, I have to say, subpar games and all, this write up made it worth it! Kwark's analysis is spot on.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
January 21 2011 09:59 GMT
#48
Excellent writeup Kwark and everyone. Enjoyed it thoroughly.
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popzags
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland604 Posts
January 21 2011 10:29 GMT
#49
Ladies and Gentlemen! For all of you who missed this series because there were way more enjoyable things to do - like having root canal treatment! I'm proud to announce that Calm and Fantasy managed to produce unique Best of Five with lot more plot twists and turns than you could expect from Flash vs Jaedong melee. Only in this surreal, bombastic struggle of titans you'll have the chance to experience the beauty and strategical mastery versus can only provide! This includes:
  • Terran seeing fast Lurkers and instantly letting them in w/o detection.
  • Terran falling for Captain Obvious's Lurker trap by chasing Mutalisks.
  • Zerg losing two dozens of Drones due to the visit of two sad Wraiths.
  • Zerg being lucky and unlucky with 4 Pool (the latter executed badly).
  • Zerg charging all his Hydralisks into narrow choke locked with Tanks.
  • Zerg not expanding beyond 4th base vs mech despite map control.
  • Zerg losing 1/3 of his Hydras before he even got to make Broodlings.

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Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark356 Posts
January 21 2011 11:42 GMT
#50
woah... normaly I like these writeups but so much hate against decent players like calm and fantasy.... cant you save the "I hate this player and he sucks so much" for players who actualy are "pretty bad" like jaehoon, killer, frozean and those.

Except for that I love that there still are people out there liking BW as much as me, keep it up .

(GOD Young Ho btw)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43344 Posts
January 21 2011 11:46 GMT
#51
On January 21 2011 20:42 Pippah wrote:
woah... normaly I like these writeups but so much hate against decent players like calm and fantasy.... cant you save the "I hate this player and he sucks so much" for players who actualy are "pretty bad" like jaehoon, killer, frozean and those.

Except for that I love that there still are people out there liking BW as much as me, keep it up .

(GOD Young Ho btw)

Watch game 1 again and get back to me about players who are actually bad.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 21 2011 12:03 GMT
#52
On January 21 2011 20:42 Pippah wrote:
woah... normaly I like these writeups but so much hate against decent players like calm and fantasy.... cant you save the "I hate this player and he sucks so much" for players who actualy are "pretty bad" like jaehoon, killer, frozean and those.

Except for that I love that there still are people out there liking BW as much as me, keep it up .

(GOD Young Ho btw)


The 3 kill Jaehoon did in winners league and the AK Frozean had means they are less in the firing line than Calm and Fantasy.

They both played SOO AWFUL. Whenever these two play a set it's like an ocean of terrible.
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HTX
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany265 Posts
January 21 2011 12:30 GMT
#53
Short capturing of modestys emotional curve.

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Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
January 21 2011 13:26 GMT
#54
Short chronological recap of Waxangel's thoughts on Flash's 2010:

Nate MSL Jaedong 3-1
No matter what kind of tear Flash has been on, he can't ever be bonjwa if he can't beat Jaedong in a Bo5.

Hana Daetoo MSL Flash 3-0s Jaedong, loses 2-3 Effort
The Flash Bonjwa theory is dead, LeeSsang domination is over. If anything, Jaedong and Flash were both bonjwas.

Flash beats Jaedong in the next two finals simultaneously
"Bonjwa" is really an obsolete word anyway.

Stork does well
Man, if only Flash had beaten Stork or something, that would've been something special.


Thanks for the write-up, guys, and hopefully the next one won't make Kwark suffer so much.
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Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
January 21 2011 13:41 GMT
#55
I personally absolutely loved the write-up:D

Although im more on Waxangel's side of "so bad its entertaining", but i also agree that it would be painfull to watch it twice.... I remember, during the series i thought, "well, having something else than FvJ is cool and stuff, but ffs, when i said I was happy, that this season we will have new players, I did not know that it will be this bad...."
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valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
January 21 2011 14:49 GMT
#56
Gotta love Kwarks 0/5 on all 5 games
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Phearlock
Profile Joined December 2007
Norway400 Posts
January 21 2011 16:17 GMT
#57
Funniest battle reports I have read in ages, possibly ever. Your suffering was not in vain Kwark. Massive props for making me laugh for like 5 mins straight. =)
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
January 21 2011 16:40 GMT
#58
Flash burst into the scene and crushed bisu in a Bo3 in osl.
This was during Bisu's era of dominance.
He also took him out in a bo5 in the following year when he won this first osl title.

Flash also beat Stork in a bo5 in that same year.

When Flash started dominating, people said it was because of his unparalleled tvp..The way he ripped through jangbi on colloseum when jangbi was having a great season is still fresh in my mind.
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nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
January 21 2011 18:23 GMT
#59
This series hurt my eyes, my heart and immortal starcraft soul. Why did you have to bring it up again? TT
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
January 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#60
The way Fantasy was playing...his win percentage is probably in the single digits vs. the other advancing finalist.
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