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On January 20 2011 09:59 eddytlaw wrote:
Congrats to Jinro!! though i would very much like to see idra the gracken come back next year to do just as well..it certainly is very nice to see foreigners do well ;DD
I hope the gracken's back next month. Isn't that when GSL s5 should be?
I don't see how 2 barracks marine/bunker is cheese, in the conventional sense where you "sure hope it's not scouted," at least not in TvZ. There's a lot of information that gives that away, e.g. no gas. Yea, it could also be a fast expand, if you can't find the second barracks, and the randomness of close positions is kind of unfair, but as a spectator it gives more variety, and the players can adapt and stop complaining, IMO, except when there's clearly an abundance of maps that favor one race more than another.
But it's really hard to know which race is favored without a lot of games played. Some new map from ICC may come out, and it seems balanced, but then someone thinks of some strat that becomes too powerful. No one was complaining about 2 rax pressure in season 1. Then roaches got buffed and reaper build got nerfed, right after FD won GSL1, and the "zerg is OP" threads began. Then GSL2 saw the rise of 2 rax builds. It was largely Terran who adapted and Zerg who remained the same. They at first thought, "ah, now I can 14 hatch every game," while Terrans were thinking, "now how can we stop early hatch."
It's not necessarily Zerg's fault that Terran adapted. What really is lacking is more variety in Zerg openers (seeing how a 6 pool all-in was defeated by a Terran without a wall-in today, albeit by a hair, let's leave 6 pool out of the 'variety' discussion unless it has something to do with fast queens). I would really like to see 1 base double hatch become more viable, or, if you contend that it already is, more used.
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I'm happy that both have gotten this far. I would have liked to see Idra win, but that's because I'm zerg and think he's an amazing player. Not to take anything away from Jinro. He is an amazing player and deserves to be in the semi-final. Can't wait to see how he does in the rest of the gsl.
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looks like IdrA invested in +1 armor
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Good show for Jinro but I was rooting for Idra. I Learned a lot watching Idra game 1...
Typically I have a huge problem in my play with tanks and marines in combo... Tanks fire and banelings vanish... But Idra walked over the tanks and rines like they were not there... Was awesome.
My thoughts...
WTF was with GG on the bunker rush? Thats what I do haha but I think Idra stood a decent chance of beating that. At the same time its a rush which can win the game that can ultimately cost the terran nothing? I have seen bunkers with practically no hps sold off for a full refund... Yet were a decisive factor in the game.
I am not one to QQ but this seems like a balance issue. A minor one that occurs from time to time but a balance issue nonetheless. I try to equate it to a cannon rush that works economically and then imagine when you know your cannons are gonna die anyways you can just sell em all off and the pylons for a full refund and transition into something new with the mineral infusion. Sounds broken to me.
The 6 pool... I hate dice rolls. I heard on the korean ladder there was a rock, paper scissor scandal that went on... On that map I see 6 pool in that fashion...
A more honest version... but whatever. I can't fault Idra for that other then I feel Idra should have fought it out until the bitter end. (Idra can learn something from BitByBit? That is... how cheese works?  JK, but JS)
I honestly really wanted to see that game fought out to see if idra could have pulled out a win there. To the bitter bitbybit end.
What do you guys think? I think there was maybe a 20ish percent chance he could pulled a win off there.... for 1 in 5 I would have liked to see the next 2 mins of that game.... Just sayin.
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I also wish Idra hadn't have just GGed when he saw the bunker contain. I wanted to see him try and pull it out, but he probably would have gotten heated if he had wasted all that time and lost anyhow, so I in terms of decision making it was better on his part.
I wish the series had gone on a little longer. Idra should have won that 6 pool all in. Didn't micro just right against that 1 marine. I love Jinro, but for some reason I wanted Idra to make it to the semis this time. The guy is an amazing player, when will it be his turn? Hopefully GSL 4.
But grats to Jinro! He just looks unbeatable right now!
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The question I have is since people seem to be upset with the quality so to speak of the matches, is it more the strategy used or the spectacle?
The strategies behind 6pooling jungle basin, or barracks rushing metal are "cheesy" but both players cited their (sound i assume) thinking, but isn't the real issue that as a spectator they are unsatisfying?
Thinking of this in terms of esports in general, I really want to know what exactly was irksome about the play to those of you vocalizing it.
and we cant forget
Well played Jinro 
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Karma caught up to IdrA. =) Best week ever.
Great job Jinro! Good luck!
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Jinro is sooooo damn goood!!!!@~ i get so hyped up every time i watch him play
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On January 20 2011 14:24 Sygnon wrote:The question I have is since people seem to be upset with the quality so to speak of the matches, is it more the strategy used or the spectacle? The strategies behind 6pooling jungle basin, or barracks rushing metal are "cheesy" but both players cited their (sound i assume) thinking, but isn't the real issue that as a spectator they are unsatisfying? Thinking of this in terms of esports in general, I really want to know what exactly was irksome about the play to those of you vocalizing it. and we cant forget Well played Jinro
I don't think it that's people are irked at the styles of play at all. Everything that took place had a reason behind it. I think since people enjoy watching both of these players so much they are just a bit disappointed since the games were a bit short. Nothing wrong with the games. I think people wanted to see another epic 40 minute battle like what Jinro displayed earlier in the group stages.
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No matter what happends you have proven yourself Jinro!
Inte för att någon tvivlade innan!
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I think we know what to do to help Jinro win GSL4,
SEND IN HAND WARMERS GUYS! JINRO DOESNT WANT COLD HANDS!
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I enjoyed the series though I would've like to see what happened in the Shakuras game had IdrA not messed up on his first attack and lost too many banes.
Are bunkers 2x3 size or something? I thought the patch made it so 2 bunkers don't wall. So either the patch only affected double pylon walls, or metalopolis has weird ramps.
edit: Oh and also, Congrats Jinro!!! GL in the semifinals!
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nice, been waiting all day for this...
kind of disappointed jinro just kind of....jinrolled him...
was hoping to see something worth replaying :D
good job jinro tho, hope he wins it and then TL will seriously be known as a force to be reckoned with.(not that they arent already)
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Awsome Jinro. You are my hero!
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On January 20 2011 15:18 Jonoman92 wrote:
I enjoyed the series though I would've like to see what happened in the Shakuras game had IdrA not messed up on his first attack and lost too many banes.
Are bunkers 2x3 size or something? I thought the patch made it so 2 bunkers don't wall. So either the patch only affected double pylon walls, or metalopolis has weird ramps.
Bunkers are 3x3.
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On January 20 2011 15:57 SnowFantasy wrote:Nope, I think it is more like this: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-tPIF5fyWU
OMG haha, haven't seen that before. Hilarous! ^_^
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Congrats Jinro, and nice to throw a f-bomb in the interview for good measure. :D
Hope to see you in the finals.
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