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The Liquid Weekly #11

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October 15th, 2010 11:03 GMT

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Tyler, Ret, HuK at MLG DC, 15th - 16th Oct 2010


Our boys in blue will be heading out to the American capital this weekend to take on America's best at the MLG DC Pro Circuit event. Starcraft 2 will be played out over Friday and Saturday, with the finals taking place on Saturday evening. [More]


TLO in the GSL Open #2 Ro64 - 19th Oct


Having qualified last weekend, TLO will playing his GSL Ro64 game on Tuesday the 19th October. Facing off against Sangho, he will attempt to advance into the Ro32 just like he did in the last GSL Open. [More]



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Tyler, Ret, HuK at MLG DC, 15th - 16th Oct 2010


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Our boys in blue will be heading out to the American capital this weekend to take on America's best at the MLG DC Pro Circuit event. Starcraft 2 will be played out over Friday and Saturday, with the finals taking place on Saturday evening.

Whether you're a fan of Tyler, Ret, HuK or all three of them (and you should be!), do join us as usual on the forums, on the stream and on IRC as we watch these Liquidians go all the way - for glory, for honour, for TL!

While we did have a chat with Tyler and HuK last week, we hadn't spoken to Ret for a while and thought we'd just track him down this week and say sup.

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Hello, Jos. What's up?
Hey, nothing too special going on. Just been playing some ladder games on the US server.

Ready for MLG?
Hmm getting there. My gameplay is getting pretty solid, I might lack experience in tournament stages at the highest level of competition, so I'll have to look out for surprises and spend the next 2 days to put the 'dots on the I' as we Dutch would say. Finish the last few details about my game and fix the flaws I have left as much as possible

Is there anything in particular you've been focusing on? Any matchup you've been paying more attention to?
ZvT is the only matchup I have given special attention outside laddering. For me it is by far the most fun and challenging matchup.

The last MLG didn't see Zerg players get very far. This time, you're joined by the likes of Machine, Slush and of course Idra - how do you think the swarm will fare?
Well Idra is in my opinion the top favourite for the tournament. Him being there should make Zerg do fairly well. Machine, Slush are capable of getting far as well, so I have good hopes Zerg will be around a little longer than the last MLG event.

Speaking of Zerg longevity - what was your reaction to Patch 1.2? Haha.
It was something similar to the Idra reaction to 1.1 patch video that’s around on Youtube I was very happy! of course roach range is a pretty significant buff to zerg in general and will help in both zvt and zvp. Terran not being able to do any sort of speed reaper rushes or proxy barracks might even tip the favor in ZvT to Zerg,.....so obviously the patch was very good news for me!

Have you been following the GSL quals? Based on what you've seen and heard, what do you think your biggest challenge will be when you try and qualify for the first time?
I saw some of the results. I am sad that Hayder and Jinro didn't make it, but the qualifiers almost seem to be a bit like a crapshoot. There seem to be a lot of players similar in skill level enough then it really just depends on the day. Since doing well in the actual GSL is the goal, I'll just have to be good enough to pass the qualifiers. All there is to it, in the end.

Have you been preparing yourself at all for the changes you're going to experience soon when you go to Korea? Learning the language? Listening to Kpop?
Haha I've heard enough K pop to last me a life time the last time I was in korea, they don't play anything else in pc bangs... I have been eating lots of rice, if that counts. Other than that I have been pretty busy, I'm happy with just enough time to fit in my sc2 practice, so haven’t really been learning Korean or anything like that. Definitely something to think about, though.

Well, we'll let you get back to your games then, Jos. Thanks a lot for talking to us, and hope to see you represent at MLG! Ret fighting!
Thanks a lot.

All in all, MLG DC is set to be a blast. Apart from getting to see Liquidians play live, you'll also get to hang out with TLers at a legendary TL Meetup. If you're stuck at home though, don't despair - we'll all be here anyway, keyboards clattering in the darkness as we use the power of the Internets to root for our players. Join us today and win yourself a t-shirt while you're at it!


TLO in the GSL Open #2 Ro64 - 19th Oct


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Having qualified last weekend, TLO will playing his GSL Ro64 game on Tuesday the 19th October. Facing off against Sangho, he will attempt to advance into the Ro32 just like he did in the last GSL Open.

TLO breezed through his qualifying matches with ease on Monday and TL's own Skanarky was there to capture the action live. Join our man in Korea below as he takes you through the inns and outs of what happened that day. Then, go spend the weekend hyping yourself up (check out Fnatic's interview of TLO while you're at it) and join us on Tuesday as our collective expectations explode like really loud Asian fireworks in the LR thread for GSL Ro64 Day #2. Sound like a plan? See you there.


HuK Placed 3rd at IEM NY - Event Finished


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Our resident Protoss powerhouse and MLG Raleigh champion TLAF-Liquid`HuK delivered last weekend in New York when he bagged a podium position alongside Fenix and qxc. Although no doubt disappointed that he couldn't make the finals, his consistency so far in North American SC2 cannot be underplayed and we have no doubt that more titles are in store for this son of Aiur. Gogo HuK!



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By Skanarky

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The qualification process for GSL Open #2 was full of upsets and surprises. Many had hopes not only for their boys in blue Haypro, TLO, and Jinro, but also for last season’s stars and old legends looking to make a name for themselves. Come day 3 of qualifications, fans were already hit with many surprises, including the loss of two team liquid hopefuls, July, as well as a fair amount of foreigners. Monday was no different, and it was up to the skill and luck of TLO to assure that TL fans were provided for in the coming GSL season.

The atmosphere was very quiet, and the administrative staff were making sure that players were comfortable and not bothered. Spectating a player was allowed, but large crowds would be broken up if they were getting to disruptive levels.

After watching many matches, I had the pleasure of meeting cArn, the French player who unfortunately couldn't qualify for this season. He has a break from his university studies, and revealed that he will be taking a year off to pursue pro gaming in Korea. So, expect to see him at the qualifiers and hopefully some GSLs in the coming months.

Before long, Team Liquid had arrived in advance of the group D stage. The team was again in high spirits, talking about the previous days’ upsets and various strategies. Once TLO was set up, it was time to wait for the group to start. Both Haypro and Jinro took advantage of the free time to watch some of the qualifying matches.

TLO was lucky to land two byes at the beggining of his bracket. While this was obviously advantagous, this irked TLO just slightly: "I hate waiting" he reveals, after chatting with the team and refreshing the bracket. Showing up to an event ready to rock, only to be thrown into a holding pattern must be frustrating. Luckily, when TLO's games started, he seemed to turn that frustration into aggression. Every game against his all-protoss opponents were filled with extremely rush based play, which threw them off guard. Apart from a base trade that also eventually landed in TLO's favor in his 2nd game, the matches were mostly a breeze. It's worthwhile to note that TLO's manual skill is in very good shape, with a high APM that was being utilized throughout the matches with high micro-intensive play. Congratulations to TLO, you have all our best wishes for success in the Ro64!

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Liquid's Partners in Pwnage - oGs
Standing Left to Right - Spunky, Hyperdub, Ensnare, Gon, Thewind,
Kneeling Left to Right - Cezanne, Top, Minchul, Inca, Zenio


Hwang "Spunky" Kyu Hoon needs no introduction here on TL. Manager of our partner team oGs and above all, a friend of Liquid, Spunky is our closest link to Korean E-Sports and in this interview, he delivers. Read on to see what we mean.

Hi, Spunky! We're talking to you hot on the heels of a fantastic performance by oGs at the GSL Open #2 quals. How do you feel about 9/10 your players qualifying?

Well, I'm kinda sad that oGsTOP didn't make it. He is indeed one of our best players. Unfortunately his condition on his qualification day was pretty bad and he took a bad beating during the final round of the qualifications. Still, it’s pretty much a new record in E-sports to have 9/10 players of a team qualifying in the biggest tourney in the world! I am very proud of my players. We made it clear that we were the best team. We had the most players qualify for GSL. Second place was WeRRa with 8 players but they had like maybe 3-4x more players than us participating lol.


Yes, that's quite an achievement. Ensnare just missed out on the finals last time. How ready is he to try and make amends in this GSL Open?

Well in my perspective, everyone in oGs has a chance in taking the title for GSL2. Ensnare of course is one of the favourites to take GSL2 and he is VERY ready for it.


The GSL is now in full swing, so let's talk again about something we touched on in our last interview - Starcraft 2. How do you think the scene is shaping up in Korea, and more importantly, where is it headed?

Well from what it seems like, SC1 is not looking so good at the moment and all the big namers are coming into SC2 pretty fast and the SC2 scene seems like its absorbing a lot of SC1. I think this will continue for the next few months and A LOT will change starting 2011. Boxer and Nada coming over to SC2 made a pretty big difference too .


Indeed. It's funny we made it this far without talking about the Genius Terran. The announcement of him joining oGs was huge in the foreign scene, and many long time Broodwar fans are still in disbelief. Amazing stuff, but I think what everyone wants to know is - how did this happen?

Well in player skill wise, oGs has created and still has the best SC2 players at the moment. However, I felt that we were lacking a little bit when it came to having old famous gamers who are good and are capable of leading others and helping their team members to get to the next level. Immediately Boxer and Nada came to mind, and having known Nada for a long time made me approach him first. And yes it was also a big issue here in Korea that he joined oGs. It got us lots more fans and attention as well.

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The most successful progamer of all time is now with oGs.

What was the team's reaction when they first heard the news?
Haha, of course everyone was amazed and happy, and probably had similar feelings as the fans. Most of our oGs team members are 20~21 years old so they had been watching nada play on TV since they were 10 years old lol. It’s great to have him here and I’m pretty sure the Team Liquid guys love it as well.


Yeah it's no secret that they do, haha. Now with Nada qualified for this upcoming GSL Open, what sort of role do you see him playing on the team?

Right now, Nada is still learning a lot of SC2. Of course, he has natural talent for the game but is still lacking a bit in experience. With the best Terrans around him here, I'm very sure he'll catch up really fast and get up to a level where our players start learning from him.


Having dominated Broodwar for many years, and by all accounts being the most successful player the game ever had, how do you think his years of experience will help him and his teammates? Are there any specific areas of SC2 you expect him to excel in?

Well after having some long talks with NaDa, we both felt that SC2 is very different from SC1 and micro/macro is not everything here. Just thinking a lot and coming up with new strategies is key and the psychological part of the game is much more important in SC2 compared to SC1. After a period of time, people will have similar micro/macro in SC2 since the game itself is much easier to play compared to Broodwar. Therefore, it seems like in the long run, the smarter player who puts more thought into the game instead of mechanics will do much better


Some people even go to the extent of saying that SC2's 'easier' mechanics are reminiscent of Broodwar's early days when players like Boxer could execute the craziest strategies and still come out on top while entertaining fans through and through. What do you have to say about this? Are we entering a period where smart/creative plays will be more and more common?

Well, first of all this is what the Koreans are saying - Boxer is the master of Dropships and Bunkers and now Dropships heal and you can get money back from bunkers, so how can he ever lose in SC2? lol

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Mechanics are yes much easier, however the game itself is much, much faster than SC1 so you can't really say it’s the same at all. In another point of view, it’s completely a different game.
And yes, smart/creative players will do really well in SC2. As I said it’s really a "thinking game". I always enjoy watching Dario trying to scheme a brand new strategy to make the fans go "wow". Koreans will do the same in upcoming GSL games.


So Boxer and Nada - outside oGs and Liquid, what is the general feeling about them switching to SC2? Are people super excited? Their fans must be ecstatic to see them back in action.

The fans are going really crazy about this, everyone is excited and people who had stopped watching SC1 are coming back to watch the game again just to watch these guys play on TV again. Boxer needed to bring body guards to the GSL qualifications because of so many fans and members of the press following him and I had to protect Nada as well because of everyone trying to get a word with him.


Hahaha, that is off the hook. Since the question is on everyone's mind, let me just come out and ask it - do you know of Boxer's plans, especially team wise? What do you know of his long term plans in general?

I know that he mentioned in his interview that he wants to join a team but I'm not sure if he’s decided on one yet. People have been asking me about him a lot since I recruited Nada but I don't have any plans for now either. But I know that he will do whatever it takes to get his crown back as the champion of the game.


You're currently leading one of the most successful teams in the business. If there is one thing you have learnt these past few months, what would it be?

It takes a lot of work and time just to manage a team. I think people underestimate how hard it is to manage 10+ talented players with different personalities under one roof. I personally underestimated this and had a lot of trouble managing at first, though I’m very used to it now. Things are looking better and I will do whatever I can to make sure our team oGs keeps its top spot for the future as well.

Go for it! TL wishes you the best of luck, and look forward to seeing many oGs players advance in the GSL. Thanks a lot for taking the time to talk to us, Spunky, and we look forward to having a chat again soon. oGs fighting!



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TvT is the best mirror match by far, right? Well this week, we've got TvTvTvT for you as Jinro takes to the ladder to play top Terrans like GARIMTO, Zenith and STX. Can you say tanks?

Download Jinro TvT Ladder Replay Pack



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Netherlands2041 Posts
October 15 2010 11:18 GMT
#2
go ret "Zet die puntjes maar is ff op de i" en own die shit
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Poland6 Posts
October 15 2010 11:26 GMT
#3
Enjoyable read as always. Thanks for keeping us up to date on TLAF-Liquid's play.
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Norway237 Posts
October 15 2010 11:27 GMT
#4
TvT in TWIR makes me happy, was just looking for good tvt reps for some tips on how to bust open turtles!

Good luck to all in GSL Season 2 and MLG DC
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Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria144 Posts
October 15 2010 11:30 GMT
#5
Imagine Nada and Boxer on one team! They'll need a protective detail on them 24/7.
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Canada9496 Posts
October 15 2010 11:42 GMT
#6
Awesome stuff
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Canada5565 Posts
October 15 2010 11:44 GMT
#7
Interviews and pictures all so juicy
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
October 15 2010 11:45 GMT
#8
lol at boxer's picture and caption.I hope he bunker rushes in TvZ.
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United States198 Posts
October 15 2010 11:49 GMT
#9
Thanks for the write up. I liked the post-production advertising on TLO's shirt! Haha!
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Germany223 Posts
October 15 2010 11:50 GMT
#10
i cant stand the long wait for the next weekly

those are just to good, thx for updating, it makes rooting for ret,tyler,huk,haypro, jinro and tlo much easier and more fun

TL FIGHTIIIIIIIING!
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
October 15 2010 11:51 GMT
#11
Ret seems to be in excellent spirits, I look forward to seeing him play!
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Netherlands1384 Posts
October 15 2010 11:54 GMT
#12
woah is that Ret? he lost some serious weight, Go Ret!
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Germany6657 Posts
October 15 2010 12:05 GMT
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Lim Yo Hwan, seconds after being told that bunkers were now basically free.

Lol
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United States74 Posts
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October 15 2010 12:09 GMT
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INGLORIOUS TLO!

GO TLO!
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 15 2010 12:09 GMT
#15
That Spunky interview was a very nice read. Thanks for the hard work!
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Norway624 Posts
October 15 2010 12:30 GMT
#16
Good stuff, as always. <3
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Germany1393 Posts
October 15 2010 12:33 GMT
#17
On October 15 2010 21:05 Woony wrote:
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=D How awesome is that?

Best of Luck to all participants!
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Canada1181 Posts
October 15 2010 12:34 GMT
#18
there are so many tvt replays, can some other matchup be featured later?
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Australia126 Posts
October 15 2010 12:49 GMT
#19
Go boxer!!!
Thors before Whores man
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Japan4560 Posts
October 15 2010 12:49 GMT
#20
I love how Spunky mentions how TLO as an example of a thinking player, always looking for a way to impress fans and surprise opponents. TLO Hwaiting. TL Hwaiting!!
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Netherlands287 Posts
October 15 2010 12:52 GMT
#21
This weekly is great.... Like always
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Australia126 Posts
October 15 2010 12:59 GMT
#22
yeah I seriously look forward to these weeklies hehe
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October 15 2010 13:03 GMT
#23
the liquid weekly is always a good read, love being updated constantly on the liquid fellows.
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October 15 2010 13:04 GMT
#24
Great article... love the (new?) liquid T-shirts
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Austria853 Posts
October 15 2010 13:09 GMT
#25
am i really the only one who is bored by TvT? everyone says is exciting and fun, but in the end its always the same... but im biased, i hate terran

looking forward to some ret ownage!!! zerg fightiiing
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United Kingdom2108 Posts
October 15 2010 13:15 GMT
#26
very very great read. TLO HWAITIIIING!
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Netherlands684 Posts
October 15 2010 13:26 GMT
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gl retje
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United States2294 Posts
October 15 2010 13:41 GMT
#28
Awesome write up, loved hearing Spunky's opinions on the current situation in Korea.
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October 15 2010 13:43 GMT
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Don't forget to check the interview I did with TLO, its mentioned in the weekly, but don't skim over it ; )
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Germany441 Posts
October 15 2010 13:58 GMT
#30
am i really the only one who is bored by TvT? everyone says is exciting and fun, but in the end its always the same... but im biased, i hate terran


Well TvT certainly uses the widest range of their units in the mirror matchups. Marauders, Vikings, Tanks, Medicvas are more or less the backbone of most TvTs, but Marines, Banshees, Cattlebruisers, Thors, even Hellions have been used and the dynamic seems really nice. At least much nicer than Collossus wars or 8 "exciting" minutes of ZvZ .
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Netherlands2038 Posts
October 15 2010 14:04 GMT
#31
Good to hear from you Ret Best of luck in the tournament
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Taiwan1296 Posts
October 15 2010 14:06 GMT
#32
Ugh no more TvT replays next week please(unless it's Boxer vs Nada).
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Norway1505 Posts
October 15 2010 14:10 GMT
#33
Amazing interview with spunky.

One complaint I do have. WHATS UP with the TvT's ONLY in replay pack. Most boring match up is the only thing we have seen released for weeks....
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United States921 Posts
October 15 2010 14:11 GMT
#34
Great weekly. There's so much happening at once, it's so exciting. TL fighting!
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Brazil2534 Posts
October 15 2010 14:13 GMT
#35
i loved the ogs interview.

Spunky seems a great guy.

Can't wait to see TLO playing. He is gonna be a star in korea sooner or later!
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
chas
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany18 Posts
October 15 2010 14:14 GMT
#36
ret has been lifting some weights it seems
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
October 15 2010 14:20 GMT
#37
Go ret we love you!!
Dance those ultras
durd
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12 Posts
October 15 2010 14:30 GMT
#38
Thanks for the great interview with spunky.
Dectilon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden50 Posts
October 15 2010 14:30 GMT
#39
In wc3 it wasn't uncommon to have teams made up of both european/american players AND korean/chinese players. Does that ever happen in sc?
BigBadSkathe
Profile Joined September 2009
United States234 Posts
October 15 2010 14:36 GMT
#40
Those dark blue jerseys are fucking amazing, can't wait til we can buy those! Nice interview as well
Hey.
Aprikosen
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden53 Posts
October 15 2010 14:43 GMT
#41
Very good interview with Spunky, much appreciated.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 15 2010 14:44 GMT
#42
Once again an awesome weekly! ^__^ Team Liquid hwaiting!
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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
October 15 2010 14:53 GMT
#43
On October 15 2010 22:58 pilsken wrote:
Show nested quote +
am i really the only one who is bored by TvT? everyone says is exciting and fun, but in the end its always the same... but im biased, i hate terran


Well TvT certainly uses the widest range of their units in the mirror matchups. Marauders, Vikings, Tanks, Medicvas are more or less the backbone of most TvTs, but Marines, Banshees, Cattlebruisers, Thors, even Hellions have been used and the dynamic seems really nice. At least much nicer than Collossus wars or 8 "exciting" minutes of ZvZ .


and yet it always ends up being about tanks... if zvz goes past banelings its pure awesomeness. in my opinion at least
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 15 2010 15:25 GMT
#44
Good read as always. TL hwaiting. Looking forward for GSL2 !!!
Terran
stiga
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States377 Posts
October 15 2010 15:28 GMT
#45
i like the pic of TLO checking facebook
FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
October 15 2010 15:35 GMT
#46
You guys at this site make me so Happy. The only other thing that would make my baubles worthless would be to have my own Teamliquid Jersey with my name on the back. Is there any way I could do that? Trades,services,or moneys just call me Hooker.
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DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
October 15 2010 15:50 GMT
#47
I really enjoy these interviews. I don't follow the SC2 foreign scene that much and this article really help alot.
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
October 15 2010 15:56 GMT
#48
TL fighting! GL all.
tw!tch
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States563 Posts
October 15 2010 16:02 GMT
#49
these are so awesome, its great to be able to wake up in the morning and be completely up-to-date. tl hwaiting!! gogo tlo
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
October 15 2010 16:12 GMT
#50
next time make some big interview with jinro, please

it would be also cool to get some words from ogs members, especially nada! =]
For the Swarm!
Zootre
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark180 Posts
October 15 2010 16:18 GMT
#51
w00t jinro already writes korean ?
he sure writes alot vs STX
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
October 15 2010 16:19 GMT
#52
On October 15 2010 21:05 Woony wrote:
[image loading]
Lim Yo Hwan, seconds after being told that bunkers were now basically free.

Lol


I legitimately laughed out loud to this. Great article.
it's my first day
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
October 15 2010 16:28 GMT
#53
Good read thx.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 15 2010 16:43 GMT
#54
On October 16 2010 00:28 stiga wrote:
i like the pic of TLO checking facebook


And haypro next to him checking out tl...

Anyway, watched most of the TvT's. Jinro plays ok, but there's so many blunders! Entertaining, but it's like, goddamn jinro. Basic fundamental shit. + Show Spoiler +
Like, on metalopolis vs garimto, when you take the gold expansion, don't leave it there for 2 minutes (count the timer, it's awful><) before adding SCV's. Also, don't try and take 5 bases with only like 6 production buildings. If you're going to take a gold and a 4th, you should have (for tank/marauder/viking) like 6 raxes, 3 fac, 2 port. Not half that) He also made a few hilarious blunders, like some of his viking-onto-tank transforms. 'ready to plunder?' more liek 'ready to blunder', if you get me.

I stopped watching the vs STX game as soon as the banshee came and killed everything. I don't care how that game lasted much longer, because that is a bloody awful situation that is basically insta-loss. Boring.

The JSL game I did watch all the way through, and Jinro played very well to start off, but blundered in the midgame. JSL did geta very quick (very ballsy!) 3rd base compared to jinro. What I did like from jinro was his 2 port, 1 banshee, 1 reactor production, forcing JSL to blow a lot of scans. What I did not like was his complete lack of dropship play despite having blue flame hellions and complete air control. He also overproduced vikings he didn't need, and his armoury stood for 15 minutes without a single upgrade. The +1 weapon upgrade is so critical for tanks! 3 shots to kill a tank, not 4, and 2 shots to kill a stimmed marauder, not 3. That's fucking huuuuuuge. And again he doesn't macro as strongly as he really needed to.

What I saw from these games is that Jinro has some very good decision making and very solid micro. He knows how to get the most out of his opening and get ahead quickly. But his multitasking and his macro game both need improvement or his midgame is just going to suffer, as it did.

What I take from it as a Terran player? Well, not much. I already do the blue flame hellion drop, which I do love. His metalopolis opening is about as standard as you get, so just watch that game if you're new and you're stuck trying to find a good BO to use.
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CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
October 15 2010 17:18 GMT
#55
Thanks for all the great coverage!

TL fighting!
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
October 15 2010 17:43 GMT
#56
Nice interviews and pictures. MLG this weekend is going to be fun to watch.
JoeCrow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
October 15 2010 17:54 GMT
#57
Thanks for this weekly guys keep it up!
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
October 15 2010 18:54 GMT
#58
haha picture of TLO on facebook was awesome :D So pumped for the next month of SC and I hope TL/oGs have a great showing. GL boys!
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
October 15 2010 19:14 GMT
#59
I love TL's Liquid` coverage sooo much. Seriously this blasts away anything ESPORTS had before.

Liquid` hwaiting!
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chocoed
Profile Joined June 2007
United States398 Posts
October 15 2010 20:21 GMT
#60
I love these weeklies. Thanks for the write-up.
My life for Aiur!
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
October 15 2010 21:11 GMT
#61
Great writeup as always. I hope the TL boys can do really well in DC this weekend. I am expectign big things form them. It is sad that only TLO made it into the GSL, but I think he can go farther this time.
Anuzi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
192 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 21:43:57
October 15 2010 21:35 GMT
#62
Awesome article. It was really good to hear from Spunky =)

EDIT: Missed the link to the tlo interview. Nice one fams, there were some good questions there!
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
October 15 2010 21:54 GMT
#63
--- Nuked ---
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
October 15 2010 22:24 GMT
#64
The Liquid players shirt looks hard!
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 15 2010 23:05 GMT
#65
LOL at Boxer's little blurb: He was the master of Dropships and Bunkers, and now Bunkers are free and Dropships heal. How can he not be amazing?

ROFL this was too funny
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
October 15 2010 23:27 GMT
#66
lol jinro vs garimto

+ Show Spoiler +
garimto: korean stuff
jinro: sorry my korean is poor
garimto: gg
garimto has left the game
Commentator
endieg
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany49 Posts
October 16 2010 00:31 GMT
#67
best sc2 weekly ever ^^
looking for gsl2
random x3
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
October 16 2010 02:38 GMT
#68
On October 16 2010 06:35 Anuzi wrote:
Awesome article. It was really good to hear from Spunky =)

EDIT: Missed the link to the tlo interview. Nice one fams, there were some good questions there!


Thanks man, I'm glad someone enjoyed it : )
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PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
October 16 2010 02:55 GMT
#69
Im so glad we have NaDa and Boxer on the scene it feels like old times.

Boxer is the master of Dropships and Bunkers and now Dropships heal and you can get money back from bunkers, so how can he ever lose in SC2.
LOL
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zemiron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 04:04:35
October 16 2010 04:04 GMT
#70
Edit: Oops Wrong thread!
"Fractal alligators. Like a normal alligator, but instead of arms, there are more alligators." -Day9
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
October 16 2010 05:02 GMT
#71
Well at least liquid is in gsl
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 16 2010 06:06 GMT
#72
On October 16 2010 01:43 iaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 00:28 stiga wrote:
i like the pic of TLO checking facebook


And haypro next to him checking out tl...

Anyway, watched most of the TvT's. Jinro plays ok, but there's so many blunders! Entertaining, but it's like, goddamn jinro. Basic fundamental shit. + Show Spoiler +
Like, on metalopolis vs garimto, when you take the gold expansion, don't leave it there for 2 minutes (count the timer, it's awful><) before adding SCV's. Also, don't try and take 5 bases with only like 6 production buildings. If you're going to take a gold and a 4th, you should have (for tank/marauder/viking) like 6 raxes, 3 fac, 2 port. Not half that) He also made a few hilarious blunders, like some of his viking-onto-tank transforms. 'ready to plunder?' more liek 'ready to blunder', if you get me.

I stopped watching the vs STX game as soon as the banshee came and killed everything. I don't care how that game lasted much longer, because that is a bloody awful situation that is basically insta-loss. Boring.

The JSL game I did watch all the way through, and Jinro played very well to start off, but blundered in the midgame. JSL did geta very quick (very ballsy!) 3rd base compared to jinro. What I did like from jinro was his 2 port, 1 banshee, 1 reactor production, forcing JSL to blow a lot of scans. What I did not like was his complete lack of dropship play despite having blue flame hellions and complete air control. He also overproduced vikings he didn't need, and his armoury stood for 15 minutes without a single upgrade. The +1 weapon upgrade is so critical for tanks! 3 shots to kill a tank, not 4, and 2 shots to kill a stimmed marauder, not 3. That's fucking huuuuuuge. And again he doesn't macro as strongly as he really needed to.

What I saw from these games is that Jinro has some very good decision making and very solid micro. He knows how to get the most out of his opening and get ahead quickly. But his multitasking and his macro game both need improvement or his midgame is just going to suffer, as it did.

What I take from it as a Terran player? Well, not much. I already do the blue flame hellion drop, which I do love. His metalopolis opening is about as standard as you get, so just watch that game if you're new and you're stuck trying to find a good BO to use.

Metalopolis game is almost a month old (2 patches I think?)

The STX game you should finish watching probably.

Agreed about everything in the JSL game.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
October 16 2010 06:09 GMT
#73
Is it just me or is TLO tiny? Can anyone give me a height?
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
October 16 2010 08:02 GMT
#74
Wow, ret looking mighty in shape! GL Jos, pwn ze hard. ^^
觀過斯知仁矣.
BlueLobster
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore205 Posts
October 16 2010 08:37 GMT
#75
Junkka fighting !
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 16 2010 09:24 GMT
#76
so much TVT, give us some zerg action pretty please
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Khyrandor
Profile Joined February 2009
Czech Republic158 Posts
October 16 2010 10:29 GMT
#77
After seeing TLO, Haypro and Jinro in those blue TL shirts and then Huk in his white hoodie. TL should make him a specialized TL hoodie, practically the same design as the T-shirts. So he can represent TL just like others but keep his own style at same time. And besides the hoodie would be amazing.
fan of Chill, ToT)Mondragon(, ret, Jaedong, Day[9], DjWHEAT, White-Ra, Jinro, R1CH and TL and after TSL3 Ro32 Mondragon again... R.I.P. ToT
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
October 16 2010 16:21 GMT
#78
Wait, TheStc is not with oGs anymore?
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
October 16 2010 19:17 GMT
#79
lol reasoning behind Boxer's Bunker and dropship play made me laugh, he will never lose again !
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
October 16 2010 19:41 GMT
#80
On October 16 2010 19:29 Khyrandor wrote:
After seeing TLO, Haypro and Jinro in those blue TL shirts and then Huk in his white hoodie. TL should make him a specialized TL hoodie, practically the same design as the T-shirts. So he can represent TL just like others but keep his own style at same time. And besides the hoodie would be amazing.


and I would buy that hoodie at the drop of a hat
it's my first day
Atreides-
Profile Joined June 2009
United States103 Posts
October 17 2010 01:54 GMT
#81
Great writeup, and nice replays as well. One note, though: Jinro completely forgot the Marauder Concussive Grenades in the games against garimto and JSL. It's the little things like which make you go ARRGHHH while watching.
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 08:28:50
October 17 2010 08:26 GMT
#82
whats up with the url teamliquidpro.com on the back of the shirts?
gnatinator
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada169 Posts
October 17 2010 09:38 GMT
#83
Where can we buy one of those fancy Team Liquid team jerseys? ;D Can we get them personalized?
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iheartpurplez
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada54 Posts
October 17 2010 18:34 GMT
#84
"Can you say tanks?"

hahahaha, that actually made me laugh.
my love for you, my life for aiur
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
October 17 2010 20:06 GMT
#85
Are we still allowed to enter the contest even though MLG DC is over?
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
October 17 2010 23:04 GMT
#86
Liquid Weekly is awesome, most interesting articles imo! keep up the good work
SpaceAnt
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain64 Posts
October 17 2010 23:39 GMT
#87
I was really wondering what Garimto said to jinro at the end of the game, but i was wondering even more what jinro would answer, did he maybe understand it, is he really the man that not only is capable of dominating SC2 in that fashion but also to learn the korean language in a few weeks ???? O.o

But then ... he answered : "sorry, my korean is poor, i do not understand", and my doubts dissipated: no new god was born so far
Baxter
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia45 Posts
October 18 2010 03:21 GMT
#88
Did ret lose a ton of weight?
*Max. 255 Chars
Helluva
Profile Joined September 2010
United States651 Posts
October 18 2010 05:28 GMT
#89
On October 18 2010 12:21 Baxter wrote:
Did ret lose a ton of weight?

Yeah, seems like it.
Great article, and pics! :D
<3
wozjflwnl
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada344 Posts
October 20 2010 00:34 GMT
#90
Spunky is boss guarding NaDa.
L0u
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland2 Posts
October 28 2010 20:42 GMT
#91
I didnt read all posts, can i get one of those TL_T-Shirts?
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