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[MSL] Summit of the Symphony

Text byflamewheel
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August 28th, 2010 02:10 GMT
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Sex by alffla.


Table of Contents
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Prelude to Perfection

Center Stage

March of the Maps

Ver's Virtuosity

Fan Fervente

Staff Sentimento
By Atrioc, l10f, QibingZero and flamewheel

A conductor, dignified, directs the orchestra with the graceful motions of his baton. The music, beautiful, reverberates throughout the massive hall. The stone walls shake, and the pillars tremble. This is a symphony, the symphony of the MSL.

The anticipation in the crowd is palpable, though not a single person makes a sound. Harmony, melody—sound, beautiful sound. Swirling, dancing, chords twisting in the air. Music, music, everywhere. Haunting, crying—the notes have a voice of their own. They whisper, quietly, their tiny voices carrying through the building.
This is the end.

A crescendo, the buildup. Soon, soon the crowd thinks. The sound, more frenzied, faster, louder. Approaching climax.

And then, silence. A raised baton. Silence. Waiting. Time slows. The swing, the baton, the downward motion.

The MSL is a symphony, and this is the grand finale.

Prelude to Perfection
By QibingZero

As seems to be customary by now, we arrive at the MSL finals with the two most dominant players in recent memory set to further expand their rivalry. It’s certainly not coincidence that Flash and Jaedong are playing in their third consecutive MSL finals, and the outcome is likely to be as difficult to predict as that of the others were. As both players have mentioned in interviews, they split the last two MSLs and aim to settle the score this time around. But that’s just the beginning of what they’re playing for. Jaedong, of course, stands to get revenge for the embarrassing 0-3 loss last season – a score that was clearly not indicative of his actual skill level. On the other side, Flash has to back up the two teamkills he was forced to commit on his way here. Only adding to this pressure, both players have important OSL matches the day before the finals to practice for.

But this still promises to be an amazing match. With their tough semifinal challenges out of the way, and quite a few impressive games behind them as a result, it’s clear that each is in great condition. Despite Flash’s shaky Proleague play earlier this summer, he was able to pull it together and ever since the PL finals has looked like his usual unstoppable self. Jaedong has been in arguably better shape (enough so that even that dastardly Plexa had to put him back atop the PR!), and there’s certainly something to say for being the only Zerg able to handle Terran players’ trickery on this current map pool. If his many games against Sea and Light are any indication, Jaedong should perform well versus anything Flash has prepared. Look for Flash to go up early though: 2-0 is pretty likely considering the first two maps. From there on you have to believe Jaedong will find it in him to turn on his death glare and take the series the distance, eventually winning in five. Considering Jaedong’s inspired ZvT play on Triathlon, and Flash’s perfect record on the map, it promises to be the game to watch for.


l10f is the man. You know why? This dude writes and translates. In fact, he's brought us the pre-finals interviews, straight from the mouths of the bonjwas finalists. Read on, and let the fanboy (or girl?)-ism begin.

Center Stage
Translated by l10f

Flash: "I'm excited since this is a finals against a player I respect"

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- This is the 3rd MSL against Jaedong.
▲ I'm trying to relax. Playing with Jaedong hyung is very fun. Jaedong said in his interview that he'll prepare as a challenge, so I think I will do the same. In a rivalry, letting the guard down leads to losing.

- It's the 3rd Lee-Ssang-Rok in a row.
▲ MBCGame probably didn't know it would turn out like this. I hope the fans don't criticize making brackets based on rankings too much.

- You lost in the WCG Korea Finals
▲ I lost but I didn't feel bad. Since I would go to LA either way, I could play without any pressure. I didn't play well and lost, but I gained confidence through those games.

- You look especially happy when you play against Jaedong
▲ I think it's because he's a player I respect. I get more excited than when I play against other players. It's fun preparing a match thinking about the rivalry.

- You two are 1:1 in the last 2 finals
▲ I don't want to put everything on the line. We put everything on the line in the two past finals and the player that lost lost everything. I don't want it to be like that this time. Since we'll meet each other more in the future, I want to play without any pressure.

- Are you confident that you'll win?
▲ I think it's 50-50. I have momentum, but Jaedong has more experiences in the matchup. I don't think there's much difference in our momentum anyway, so I think it will be 50-50. When we play against each other it's always 50-50.

- People say the maps favor Terran
▲ That is true, but I don't think it will apply for this finals. Jaedong beat Terran players to get to the finals, and I think maps are no longer a factor between us.

- Wouldn't it be difficult playing right after you get back from OSL match in Busan?
▲ It happened because I'm doing well. That's why I'm happy about it. I want to play with a positive mindset.

- The OSL finals will be in Shanghai
▲ I really want to go. I usually don't complain about maps, but Flight-Dreamliner is really difficult. I already half gave up on making it to the finals since I'm going in with one loss thanks to that map. I'm glad I met a Terran in the round of 8. I would have lost right away if I was playing against Jaedong.

- A word to your fans
▲ I usually say before a finals that I don't want to lose, but this time I want to enjoy it. I learned that my skills are shown 200% when I enjoy the games that I play through the semifinals. I learned how scary a player that enjoys playing can be. I think this finals is also a part of my evolution. My goal is to be remembered as the best player at the end of e-sports, so I will play this finals without any pressure.

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110168&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=



Jaedong: "I will play a game better than the expectation"

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- How do you feel about meeting Flash again in the finals
▲ I don't particularly feel anything (laughs). I'm thinking, "Again?". I was expecting it somewhat after seeing the Ro8 brackets. I thought I would have a hard time this season getting to the finals, and now that I'm here, I'm up against Flash as expected.

- Truthfully, the last finals was disappointing.
▲ I tried to enjoy the WCG games. I agree that the past MSL finals have been disappointing. Everyone had great expectations, but the games did not meet them. I want this finals to be different. I want it to have great, fun games. Last season, because I lost so easily... (laughs). I will try my best this time to win with style.

- You seem to be in so many individual league finals. What's your secret?
▲ I don't know. There is no secret. I have my own know-how's, but nothing special. I just practice really hard, and try harder than anyone else, without slacking. I think my hard work is showing. My only secret is to consistently work hard.

- There were a lot of things to be earned last finals, but you didn't win.
▲ 6 individual titles, and the MSL golden badge were on the line. It's true that I should grasp this opportunity. I want to play without regrets. A finals without disappointments.

- You must have felt bad after losing 0:3 last season
▲ I was very disappointed. I think Flash tried harder than me that time. I was able to get rid of the disappointment quickly thinking that. I was sad that I was not able to meet my fans' expectations. I don't want to disappoint them again.

- What has changed since then?
▲ If I had to name one, I wasn't in OSL that season (laughs). Last season Flash was in both finals. This time, we're in almost the same situation. I can't feel any difference between us. We both have to go down to play the OSL match the day before too (laughs).

- You won against Light in the semifinals, but it wasn't an easy match.
▲ I won the match, but I lost to him in the long match. I need to improve my late game management. I need to make less mistakes and change myself. I learned a lot from the semifinals match, even though I won.

- Long matches against Flash will be tough
▲ Lately, it is very difficult as Zerg to play long matches against Terran since Terran can use many different variations of play. As a Zerg, it's very difficult to practice. The matchup has changed a lot. I need to concentrate my practice on that. Since Flash has better late game than other Terrans, it won't be easy.

- Polaris Rhapsody is played for 1st and 5th set.
▲ I played a lot of Terran players on Polaris Rhapsody. I practiced hard every time, but I met the best Terran this time. I'll need to practice with a new mindset. I'm a little worried, but I will use the remaining time wisely and use my experience to prepare.

- Have you talked about MSL when you met Flash in WCG Korea Finals?
▲ We usually don't talk about the game. We talk a lot about other issues.

- You're playing in OSL Ro8 the day before at Busan.
▲ I'm not worried, since Flash is in the same situation. I'll need to concentrating on keeping a good condition.

- Your determination for the MSL Finals?
▲ I think a lot of people are predicting Flash to win. I think this is better for me. It's less pressure. I think I can show a game better than the expectations. I disappointed my fans last season, so I want to play better than their expectations this time.

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110169&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=


Maps. You know, I meet people all the time who say that "maps aren't important." Though if you've been following the MSL, you will know that some maps are imba favor one race more than another, so Ver the Virtuoso has whipped up some analysis on the maps that Flash and Jaedong will be facing off on. As an added bonus, he has gifted us with an analytically objective view of Flash's and Jaedong's strengths and weaknesses.

March of the Maps
By Ver


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< Polaris Rhapsody >
< Odd-Eye 3 >
< Fighting Spirit >
< Triathlon >
< Polaris Rhapsody >

Set 1: Polaris Rhapsody
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Polaris is a map that gives Terrans many options and no early disadvantages, and thus has been a favorable home to Terrans so far due the very favorable strategical situation. The map is by no means depleted of potential ideas, so rather than worrying about a possible imbalance, the question is, can Jaedong find the answers to the large quantity of strategies that Flash might employ?

As this is a 2 player map, Flash will most likely make use of the ability to safely go 14cc. Flash has opened both straight up mech and a Valkyrie -> bio -> mech transition in his only two games here, but these are by no means the only option he has. Considering this is game 1 of the finals, Flash will likely employ a one-time use stratagem or new idea to seize the initiative.

Jaedong's preference on Polaris against bio -> mech, when not trying to allin Light, is to make a semi-allin timing attack when the Terran is still converting into mech and trying to secure the 3rd and 4th bases. It worked against Flash's sloppy play but failed against Sea: the reason is mostly because oftheir choice of expansions. What most effects Polaris is how the Terran chooses to expand. The 2 corner expansions are harder to hold and harder to take, so if the Terran can take them midgame and not fall too far behind, he will have an ironclad lategame advantage in being able to take and deny his 5th/6th. With the opposite approach, the Terran has a flawless middlegame but can run into serious issues trying to take the double gas expansion. Plus it is completely infeasible to deny it until very late as it is simply so far away. Against Flash's more vulnerable midgame position, Jaedong's timing attack worked well, while it couldn't breach Sea's defenses at the strongest area.

The most likely scenario is that Jaedong is either unprepared to fight against a new idea. It is possible that Jaedong will try to catch Flash off guard like he did Light, but that is doubtful given his overall history against Flash and his respect for Flash's defense.

(T)Flash 1-0 (Z)Jaedong

Set 2: Odd-Eye 3
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While nowhere near the monstrosity the original was, Odd Eye is still far from easy for Zergs. The biggest obstacle Jaedong faces on this tough map is the sheer range of strategies Flash can use fueled by a safe 14cc. Anything is more than viable for Terran here, so whether he will exploit the weakness Jaedong showed against Light and open mech, choose one of a dozen possible transitions, an aggressive midgame bio build, or sticking with bio is totally unclear. Overall, Jaedong seems to feel most comfortable taking a risk, but via an allin, early on or in the midgame trying to get a comfortable position for later on. If the Zerg can seize that advantage they do end up in quite a good position for the mid-late game. It's unlikely he can trick Flash like he did Sea given the former's game sense or with the aggressive hydra attack he attempted against Light, but Jaedong might have another ploy up his sleeve.

In the event of mech play or a transition, Jaedong has the interesting option he showed against Midas of defending with lurker/swarm while going for early drops. With Flash's preference for defense over a timing attack it is unlikely the outcome will be the same, but the threat of the quick drop is not negligible at all and he might be able to use it to improve his overall position.

(T)Flash 2-0 (Z)Jaedong

Set 3: Fighting Spirit
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In contrast to PR and Triathlon, Fighting Spirit has been played out and explored to its boundaries. Flash might change his plan, but more than likely he will either try to seize some kind of midgame advantage like their OSL game half a year ago, or just play a standard timing attack into that he surely feels confident in after his win on Grand Line. A bunker rush would hardly be a surprise either, though Jaedong seems to have felt similarly and therefore 9 pooled the past two games against Flash here.
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Thus it is more likely that we will see something different from Jaedong to either avoid the late game strength of Flash or seize an advantage before it reaches that stage. Crazy Zerg is a possibility, though a very risky one. Spawns are also quite important, for Zerg options radically change depending on whether they can abuse short muta distance by spawning counterclockwise from the Terran or can safely reach hive without too much damage if cross positions.

In the not too unlikely situation of Flash being up 2-0, it's quite likely given Jaedong's history that he will go allin as he has done against ForGG, Fantasy, and Flash in this very same situation. Taking into account the outcome of the last final it is safe to say Flash understands Jaedong well enough to be prepared for any such event.

(T)Flash 3-0 (Z)Jaedong

Set 4: Triathlon
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While the degree of imbalance on Triathlon is uncertain for it has not yet been fully explored, Triathlon is extremely uncomfortable for Terran players. Effort and Jaedong have clearly demonstrated against Light, Midas, and Sea that opening mech or doing allin timing attacks simply do not work here: the now standard Zerg approach of a fast 3 hatch into 4 gas muta (vs mech) or fast hive (vs bio) is simply too powerful. Similar issues exist when trying any kind of normal bio play, which is why so many Terrans have resorted to mech openings despite the obvious disadvantages. 3 player maps are naturally unfavorable for Terran due to inability to split the map and the ease that Zerg and Protoss can take the 3rd main. Whatever Flash does, he cannot let the game reach such a point where Jaedong is able to seize firm control over the 3rd main and its expansions.

So what can Terrans do? Obviously Flash's disguised timing attack in the last final is a one or two time use strategy, not a sustainable approach. Standard TvZ strategies are completely useless because almost all of them are based off of the layout of normal maps, which limits Zergs to 2 gas early on, and 3 gas up until swarm.

Amusingly enough, one of the more interesting possibilities against the fast 4 gas strategy would be the forgotten Fantasy build as it really punishes the vulnerable island, can be disguised well enough, and best of all, would be totally unexpected. However, it is unlikely that Flash would choose this option given his general neglect of SKT1 strategies.

Another potential option would be to double expand off of 1 barracks. Both mech, while first getting at least Valkyries or Vessels, or bio with a possible mech transition would be possible. But again, the deadline of the 3rd main is always looming over the Terran's shoulder. Time is not on their side here. Whatever Flash chooses, he must have a plan to achieve a decisive advantage before it goes that late.

Otherwise, Flash will likely choose a twisting, difficult to discern strategy in order to confuse Jaedong of his intentions like last time. Jaedong will certainly be more prepared for it than last time, but Flash still has many different options open to him so the outcome is not set in stone.

(T)Flash 2-2 (Z)Jaedong (if it reaches game 4)

Set 5: Polaris Rhapsody
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If it does reach game 5, Flash will most likely try for a safer mech or bio -> mech strategy and ensure a safe midgame by taking the side expansions first while Jaedong is anyone's guess. He typically likes to choose aggressive or allin builds in deciding games, so a ling heavy 2 hatch muta would be hardly a surprise. But depending on how he won game 1, he also might feel confident enough taking Flash into the later stages of the game. In general game 5's, especially with Jaedong, are difficult to predict given how much they are affected by the rest of the series.

If Flash dropped games due to unforced errors, Jaedong's resiliency and flawless play will likely come on top.

(Z)Jaedong 3-2 (T)Flash

If Jaedong equalized with excellent strategies and plans, especially outside of Polaris, Flash's superior defense and lategame play will be the most decisive factor:

(T)Flash 3-2 (Z)Jaedong


I really love Ver.

Ver's Virtuosity

Flash:

I think he [Flash] has the ideal mindset as a Progamer that I've been thinking about. There aren't many players who set strategic moves, and in the case of Flash, I think he's looking about 10 games ahead. He's different from players who receive quite a shock after losing one match. Even if he's not really like that, it's important that he made himself look like that. In the past, I have also experienced the so called "Fourth Dimensional Wall" [T/N: Insurmountable wall] when playing against certain players, but on the outside, I pretended that I lost accidentally and that I was strong. Because I kept playing like that, I was able to beat that opponent and overcome him. I like that part about Flash and I think his focus and adaptability is extremely good. If I had to pick a player that I want to develop outside of my team, you can say that Flash is rank 0. He's that tempting. Because I used to play Terran, I'm able to somehow rate him, and I don't know about other races but from what I see, I think that Flash has the best mindset as a player currently.
      -iloveoov

Strengths

Flash at his peak has such an understanding of the game that nobody can stand before him. With his natural abilities augmented with the superb Hery as coach, Flash is an extremely dangerous threat even on purely psychological and strategical terms. With the deep understanding and decision making of a computer and the game sense of a maphacker, Flash has consistently remained the scariest opponent in the modern age when at his peak. And unlike in the past, Flash has the mindset and the strength to continuously remain at his peak no matter what hardships he faces.

Flash may be solid all around, but his enormous superiority in understanding of the game essentially means his chances of winning continually rise the longer the game goes. While so many late game positions are uncharted for everyone else, Flash has shown a consistent ability to understand and instantly make the correct decision to extremely complicated problems. Furthermore, he also shows the complementary skill of being able to forsee dangerous situations and steer onto the correct path in time. Naturally Flash's opponents would prefer to gain a decisive advantage or victory before the late game, but unfortunately for them, Flash also sports the best defense by a large margin.

Finally, the current state of the game favors Terran immensely. Their strategical knowledge is far ahead of Zergs at the moment and despite Jaedong winning WCG Korea and advancing to the MSL finals against a slew of Terrans by pulling wins out of a hat, the situation is unchanged. Terrans have so many established variations that Zergs do not have adequate refutations against and they have a large number of unexplored possibilities to be exploited. The strategic initiative, like in the last two finals, is completely in Flash's favor.

Weaknesses

While Flash in the past year has developed his mental strength to such a level that he is able to consistently remain in peak form for far longer than before and survive severe blows, new deficiencies have appeared sporadically in his play. Flash has always suffered from occasional oversights that contributed to a large number of his losses and disadvantageous positions. But these always resulted from his questionable multitasking, which was never his strong point.

But as of late Flash has shown a problematic lapse in his otherwise untouchable tactical and defensive acumen. This issue probably first was demonstrated against Calm on Heartbreak Ridge, where an obviously poor defensive setup led to an easy loss to muta/ling. Then right afterwards against Movie, his decision to split the map on Eye of the Storm was clearly out of place and led to an easy loss against a much inferior player.

Even putting aside his amateur level performance against Jaedong on Match Point in their first finals to frozen hands, the fact is he blundered horrifically multiple times, each one unforced, in game 3. It would be understandable if he messed up while using a new strategy he didn't understand, but he made several gross errors while employing his very own strategy! Then add in Flash's obvious mistakes in throwing away the 3rd and 5th sets against Effort with very uncharacteristically poor defense in basic positions, and you really have to wonder just which Flash will show up against Jaedong. We already have a bit of an answer there in the WCG match against Jaedong on Fighting Spirit, where of all things Flash couldn't defend his ramp against a 9 pool. While Flash may have conducted the series near perfectly in the last finals, there is still that nagging doubt that he might give away games and possibly the series for the silliest of reasons.



Jaedong

The gamer that possesses everything a coach wants is JD. Not only he has an amazing record, his mindset and attitude and everything else is flawless. For example, when a coach asks a gamer to practice over 100 games to win a game, many gamers complain. However. JD takes such a demand for granted - a natural way to improve himself. That's the difference of mindset.
-Jae-gyoon Yi (Woongjin Stars coach)

Strengths

Obviously, Jaedong's mechanics are his most potent weapon. However, I want to bring special attention to something that is normally overshadowed by his mechanics and 'angry glare.' Jaedong has the incredibly unique ability to nearly always play at his best in any important match. While others may have also been able to do so for a short period, Jaedong has combined his consistent top form such long-term resiliency that perhaps only Nada and Savior, if even them, can boast of.

In addition, Jaedong's supreme mental strength and consistency likely creates a problematic mindset in his opponents. They must know deep down that Jaedong isn't going to give them any chance to seize, while any mistake they make will be exploited to the maximum. This hypothesis is supported by nearly all of Jaedong's big ZvT wins. In many of them he was outclassed either strategically or in overall decision making, yet again and again he pulled through. Canata, Fantasy 2x, Sea, Light 2x all showed superb strategies and mid-late game play but collapsed in the most ridiculous fashion; most of them to unforced blunders. Canata's suicidal marine squad, Fantasy voluntarily doing a build order loss when he knew exactly what was coming, Fantasy having a won position vs 4 pool yet failing to defend at the final moment, several defendable wall breaks, Sea being unable to get his turrets up in time against normal muta timings; the total list is even longer.

These Terrans probably did not all self-destruct for the same reason, but what is certain is that Jaedong does not make those egregrious blunders everyone else does. And when his opponents do show a weakness, Jaedong is absolutely merciless in exploiting it.

Weaknesses

Jaedong is coming into this series having played 2 bo5's against Sea and Light in the MSL, as well as 2 bo3's against Hiya and Light in WCG. Jaedong may have gained invaluable practice, but in exchange he has suffered the much more severe penalty of having his strategies exposed and used up. On the other hand, Flash has not played a single TvZ series against anyone besides Jaedong, so most of his arsenal is still a secret.

Furthermore, the games against Sea, and especially Light showed that Jaedong is clearly deficient in decision making and overall understanding in the mid-late game to top Terrans. While his mechanics remain as top-notch as ever, his always decent, but rarely superb, decision making is an outright weakness right now against the best Terrans. Unfortunately for Jaedong, Sea and Light are both mechanically superior but far inferior to Flash in terms of defense, decision making, and game sense. If he can't handle Light without resorting to parlor tricks, how can he handle Flash?



Series Play:

Flash and Jaedong both plan series differently. Flash tries to plan for the entire series as a whole, while Jaedong plays more on a game to game basis and often improvises. Overall, Jaedong cannot control the overall series like Flash, but he is more versatile and able to adapt to any situation with ease.

Last season's finals we saw Flash's abilities at work: starting with the first game he used a deceptive semi-allin that came out of the blue, allowing him to seize the initiative for the match and keep Jaedong guessing. His builds in set 2 and 3 cunningly played off of his success in the first set, and every game, Jaedong guessed wrong and thus picked an inappropriate plan. One could reasonably claim that the entire series was won by strategy alone. That was hardly the first time either for Flash, as his fans surely remember the 3-0 thwomping of Stork in similar fashion. Most of his other series have worked in a similar fashion, although it is not always as obvious.

Jaedong is takes the total opposite approach. His deep experience and mental strength give him considerable stability and the ability to overcome crushing defeats. So while he may come into the series with a plan, he can trust in himself and improvise on the spot without feeling out of sorts if his plans do not work out. Jaedong also tries to seize control of the series at various points by going allin, but whether that sort of play will work against Flash is questionable.


Fan interviews! Now, we didn't get Roffles vs Carnivorous Sheep this time around, but we do have something equally as good (though far, far less inflammatory). Interviewing for Flash today we have the lovely Smix, and representing Jaedong is MSL's very own Atrioc. Let's see what they have to say about the upcoming games.

Fan Fervente
By Atrioc

#1 There is always an enormous amount of hype when Jaedong and Flash meet in any situation, especially a finals, but the games don't always live up to the expected quality. Given this past, do you think this series will live up to the hype?

Atrioc: As a matter of fact, I do, but I know for a fact it will never be in the way everyone hopes. Lets be honest, most likely, given the razor sharp skill and preparation of these two players, it wont be some 3-2 nail biter with 50+ minute epic games every match. The slightest advantage from a build order can mean the end of a game, let alone any mistakes. What we will definitely witness, however, is likely the highest level Starcraft ever played. These two are at the cutting edge of the SC world, the absolutely dominant masters of their respective races who know the matchup inside and out, and have practiced their hearts out for this finals. Every decision they make in game will have been polished to perfection - and in a situation like that, regardless of who wins that or how quickly, you cant help but be awestruck.

Smix: There have been series where JvF was a disappointment (3:0 shutouts boo) but I feel like this only hypes up future series - the potential epicness of the games these two players can deliver is just shiver worthy. Jaedong and Flash have been ranked 1st and 2nd for so long now - they're like the Harvard-Yale-Princeton of Starcraft (except it's two players...) where I can't imagine them sinking in ranking any time soon. With such enormous fan bases for both players, I think everyone is hoping that this series will be incredible... especially with the close 3-2 semifinals wins they both had, I'm hoping the finals will live up to the hype even more.

#2 The last MSL finals Flash shut Jaedong out in a convincing 3-0. How does that factor in this time around?

Smix: Honestly, I don't think it plays a big factor, especially after weighing in Jaedong's more recent WCG final win. Both players are used to the finals stage and talk about how they respect the other player all the time. They've been pretty neck and neck up until now trading wins back and forth; plus, both players are the type to practice even harder with losses.

Atrioc: I've said this before and I'll say it again: As a Jaedong fan, I'm never more confident in his abilities than in the match AFTER he got owned. He lost to Stork right before beating him in the OSL finals, lost to Hwasin before giving him a 3-1 domination in Arena, was crushed by Bisu in proleague before taking him out 3-2 in the GOM Special Match, etc. etc.
The man's near infinite motivation to practice is spurred to greater heights with an important defeat, and he returns from every loss quite simply that much stronger and more knowledgeable than before. Therefore, when I think about him losing 3-0 last season in such a hyped finals, all I see that giving Jaedong is the burning motivation to never let that happen again.

#3 There is talk about the maps favoring Terran, especially with Polaris Rhapsody being played twice. How important will this be?

Atrioc: I cant lie that its not frustrating that there hasn't really been a Zerg friendly map (for ZvT) in the MSL since the disastrous (sponsorship wise) Calm vs Kwanro finals, and doubly frustrating that JD has been saddled with 2x Polaris Rhapsody yet again, but there is nothing more annoying than fanboys who cant shut up about the maps when they don't help their favorite player, so lets all just be honest and admit that these players are skilled enough to take each other out anytime regardless of the map.

Smix: Jaedong has said multiple times in interviews how he doesn't care much for map imbalances, as long as practice is put in. I'm sure Jaedong is aware of the talk and will practice like crazy to compensate. It'll be interesting to see what results.

#4 Jaedong defeated Flash 2-1 in the recent WCG finals, is this a sign of things to come?

Atrioc: I'd like to hype this up and say Jaedong is gonna ride this success to victory, but not only would that contradict what I said earlier but a quick glance at the games themselves shows just how little value they really had: none of them seemed particularly practiced for, especially on Flash's side, and there was essentially nothing at stake so they had none of the drama and pressure that bring out the best in JD anyway. I put very little stake in those wins.

Smix: Like I said earlier, they trade wins all the time. They consider each other rivals and enjoy how the other pushes them to be even better - I think that's why a lot of people love the Jaedong/Flash rivalry. The best pushing the best... doesn't get much better than that.

#5 In short, who will win this series and why?

Smix: If you couldn't tell already, I respect Jaedong a lot. I think he's an amazing player and expect nothing short of the best from him. However, at the end of the day I am a Flash fan, so I hope he'll take the series. I'm sure after losing 2-1 in the WCG finals, Flash is working even harder to take this MSL finals. He's shown time and time again that his desire to win never wanes. So while I don't want a 3:0 shutout, I'm hoping Flash wins 3-2.

Atrioc: Flash fans are lucky Smix is so manner that I would feel bad going all out here. I guess I can spare a compliment or two for the Ultimate Weapon by saying that he, out of every Terran out there, is least likely to be completely embarrassed facing the Tyrant in a Bo5. I guess. Maybe. The point is, in this decisive MSL showdown to determine who wins this Bo3 of Bo5 finals, Jaedong is going to bring too much force for Flash to handle. A win here makes him the most successful player of all time, so prepare yourselves Teamliquid to watch history in the making.


Last but not least, we've got the staff predictions. Though it seems like everybody's gone off to SCII, we still feel like we're qualified to tell you what's going to go down! By the way, l10f wants me to recommend his predictions, and I heartily agree.

Staff Sentimento

[image loading] flamewheel: Jaedong wins 3-2

[image loading] Ver: Flash wins 3-0 or it goes 3-2 either way

[image loading] l10f: Flash wins 3-0 or Jaedong wins 3-2
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Set 1 Polaris Rhapsody
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When I saw that Polaris Rhapsody was being played twice in JD vs Light match, I was definitely worried. After the MSL Ro8 matches, the record was 21-10 in favor of terran. That's over 66%. Since then, Zergs have been on a 5 game winning streak on this map, and now it is 21-15. Seems better, right? Wrong. Four of those 5 wins have come from Jaedong, and when you take out Jaedong's statistics on this map the record is still 19-10. Not to mention most of the swarm's wins come from early-mid game wins. As we saw in Flash vs Zero and Jaedong vs Sea, if this game goes into late game, Flash will be unstoppable. Paired up with Jaedong's unusually low record for 1st set matches, I don't think 5-2 ZvT record on this map will be enough to save Jaedong. Even though Jaedong beat him recently on this map in WCG, I don't think Flash practiced that much for that match, and I don't think Flash will go down to early aggression like the other Terran players did.


Set 2 Odd-Eye 3
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Did I say that Polaris Rhapsody was the worst map for ZvT? With its small chokes and expansions on the attack path, PR is definitely a haven for mech. However, it still pales in comparison to the great Odd-Eye 3. You may say that Jaedong almost beat Flash in the Nate MSL finals on Odd-Eye. You may say it's even better for Zerg with increased gas income in Odd-Eye 2. However, that only applies when Terran is going bio. With the new mech craze, Terran has become extremely painful to deal with in this map. The abundance of gas means that the Zerg player has to control both 1 o'clock and 7 o'clock double gas expansions to secure a greater economy compared to the Terran. Once Terran takes one of those expansions and splits the map in half, there is no way Zerg can overwhelm the Terran army. Terran production begins to match the Zerg production and 3-3 upgraded tanks are way more cost efficient than any unit that the Zerg can produce. The TvZ record on this map is 6-2, and one of those two wins came from Jaedong, defeating Sea with a large amount of hydralisks before Sea could get enough tanks. The other came from hero, who won against a bio build. I highly doubt Flash will go bionic on Odd-Eye 3, especially since it's so easy to 14CC or barracks expand on this map due to the long rush distance. Flash will be ready for any type of hydralisk bust, after seeing Jaedong vs Sea and Jaedong vs Light on this map. This is one set I am confident that Flash will win 90%.


Set 3 Fighting Spirit
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This will probably be the deciding set. The winner of this match will probably win the finals. Why? Jaedong will probably come in 0-2. However, he has come back from 0-2 situation in the past, and you will see why the next two sets are favorable for Jaedong. There is a reason why Fighting Spirit has been used for such a long time, and why it's become the new "Python". This map is very well balanced. 52% TvZ, 54% ZvP, and 51% PvT. Considering the T>Z>P>T balance, you might even call this map one of the best balanced maps. Jaedong is 12-4 ZvT, and Flash is 7-6 TvZ on this map. Even though Jaedong lost to Light recently on this map, I would give Jaedong the edge on this map, as Flash is on a 4 game losing streak TvZ on this map. However, center BBS is really strong on this map, as seen in Jaedong vs Light, and if Flash decides to do a strategic move, this will be the map. Either way, I think this will be a very close match, and the winner will definitely be feeling confident going into set 4.


Set 4 Triathlon
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Remember how I said Jaedong has a better chance if he wins on Fighting Spirit even though he'll still be down 1-2? This is why. Jaedong knows how to cook Terran on this map. Even though the TvZ record is about even on this map, if you take out the matches that happened before Jaedong beat Midas, it's 7-4 in favor of Zerg, three of those wins coming from Jaedong. The reason why Jaedong wins easily on this map is because the expansions are not easy to take down. A small bionic force can't get to the expansions because of the eggs. Therefore, the expansions are safe in early game. When Jaedong gets a good economy, he is almost impossible to stop. Even though Flash defeated Jaedong on this map on their last encounter, Jaedong should feel confident, and rightfully so, after his recent two games on this map.


Set 5 Polaris Rhapsody
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Series is now 2-2. Jaedong has never lost 5th set in his career.


Overall: Flash 3-0 or Jaedong 3-2

[image loading] konadora: Flash wins 3-2
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(T)Flash < 3 - 2 > (Z)Jaedong

Game 1: (T)Flash < Polaris Rhapsody > (Z)Jaedong
I will explain why I think Flash will take the games on Polaris Rhapsody. Easily defendable natural, where Flash can get away with 14cc. Yes, I predict a 14CC, because this map allows a good early wall-in with a depot, rax and CC. This into mech or valk/bio combination will pressure Jaedong early on, and with the close mineral expos, Flash will be pumping out vultures, marines and/or turrets, easily securing his third (and subsequently, fourth and fifth) gas. Jaedong will probably expect a 14cc and pull off a no pool three hatch build or something, but Flash's play on this map here (ala Flash vs ZerO) is just as close to perfect as any Terran can perform on this map.
Game 2: (T)Flash < Odd-Eye 3> (Z)Jaedong
Flash will pull off a bio play on this map. Mech play has been solved on this map, as shown by Jaedong on this map. Flash himself should know this very well, as the diverse routes as well as narrow funnels to the two key dual-gas expansions will make mech-push extremely difficult. The 7 o'clock dual gas expansion will be the key to taking the game, and I expect a really fierce game on this map, which this time, won't be affected by any POWER OUTAGE.
Game 3: (T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (Z)Jaedong
This map will be a battlefield for these two players to pit their mechanics at each other. Expect a true standard game that won't play out so standard, especially with players of these two caliber playing. Still, expecting Flash to take this map.
Game 4: (T)Flash < Triathlon > (Z)Jaedong
Jaedong has shown that he has gotten much smarter with builds on this map ever since that rather embarrassing loss to Flash on this same map in the previous finals. He knows how to abuse the semi-islands and how to completely obliterate any mech play on this map. This map is Jaedong's to take.
Game 5: (T)Flash < Polaris Rhapsody > (Z)Jaedong
Same reasons I mentioned in the first set. Expect solid defensive play from Flash and heavy aggression by Jaedong.

[image loading] alffla: Jaedong wins 3-1

[image loading] IntoTheWow: Jaedong wins 3-1
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LWWW

[image loading] CTStalker: Flash wins 3-2
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i don't watch bw anymore but i think he'll win

[image loading] Carnivorous Sheep: Jaedong wins 3-2
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Jaedong 3-2, losses on Polaris Rhapsody and Odd-Eye. His loss on Odd-Eye 3 will be totally undeserved. His win on Polaris Rhapsody will be some sort of all-in. Damn Terran maps.

[image loading] heyoka: Flash wins
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Flash will win, MSL will cease to exist, and as BW enters its twilight years people will write romantic, nostalgic prose about how they 'always knew' Flash was the final bonjwa.

[image loading] Waxangel: Flash wins 3-1

[image loading] Ideas: Jaedong wins 3-2
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flash < Polaris Rhapsody > Jaedong
flash < Odd-Eye 3 > Jaedong
flash < Fighting Spirit > Jaedong
flash < Triathlon > Jaedong
flash < Polaris Rhapsody > Jaedong

So this is it. In what may be the last MSL, we have the two best players in the world facing off again. With the finals score tied at 1-1, who's going to take home the gold bacon? Stick around to watch the games and find out.

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This penultimate post brought to you by the MSL coverage team of flamewheel, Atrioc, l10f, and QibingZero. Special thanks to Ver for his amazingly detailed work, Smix for interviewing, and to all who contributed predictions. As usual, alffla and disciple are amazing for the graphics they have created.

Ninja edit: And as usual, thanks to the roommate, who's been with me from the start.
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August 28 2010 02:12 GMT
#2
The MSL team has done a fantastic job this season! Congrats to them on delivering a season of awesome coverage. It's nice to know that despite all the changes TL has gone through, our progaming coverage on every front will always be of the highest standard.
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Profile Joined February 2010
United States304 Posts
August 28 2010 02:14 GMT
#3
Interesting read!

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Iceland817 Posts
August 28 2010 02:15 GMT
#4
Going to read when MLG finishes up tonight before the actual games, Jaedong hwaiting! ;D
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August 28 2010 02:17 GMT
#5
Wow, awesome read.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 28 2010 02:22 GMT
#6
GO JAEDONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggggg!!

good work guys
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 02:22:58
August 28 2010 02:22 GMT
#7
Flash 3-2
I think he will win because he lost to jaedong in WCG
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Korea (South)787 Posts
August 28 2010 02:22 GMT
#8
Awesome writeup.

Heart says JD, Mind Says Flash.

no late game please!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 28 2010 02:23 GMT
#9
So, how much money is Rekrul putting on this?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
August 28 2010 02:24 GMT
#10
Jaedong fighting!
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Profile Joined September 2009
United States71 Posts
August 28 2010 02:24 GMT
#11
Hm...

I have this sneaking suspicion that Jaedong will win 3-1 or 3-0, simply by out-aggressing Flash. He won't be able to outmacro him, but he doesn't need to.

Which is too bad, because I want Flash to win.
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Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 02:27:46
August 28 2010 02:26 GMT
#12
sick and tired of flash!!!! omg ..

JEADONG .. FOR .. THE .. WIN!

its gonna be 4-0 for Jaedong .. he is that good
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
August 28 2010 02:27 GMT
#13
I wonder if there will be another Power Outage cameo.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 28 2010 02:30 GMT
#14
Lately, it is very difficult as Zerg to play long matches against Terran since Terran can use many different variations of play. As a Zerg, it's very difficult to practice.


Even JD admits it.

In other news, great article. I am HYPED UP! Jaedong hwaiting! Hoping for a great finals.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 28 2010 02:30 GMT
#15
Amazing writeup!

I am hoping for a FlaSh 3-1 victory just because it will prove to me he has developed that mental strength to not lose it after a single loss. A lot of players seem to do this, perhaps the pressure gets to them.
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August 28 2010 02:33 GMT
#16
HYPE HYPE!

FLASH HWATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
August 28 2010 02:37 GMT
#17
"Sex by alffla" ?? that's...amazing lol

Anyway, I'm so pumped for this. Another clash of the titans. Another great BW battle. Yeahhhh.
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remag
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany354 Posts
August 28 2010 02:39 GMT
#18
On August 28 2010 11:12 riptide wrote:
The MSL team has done a fantastic job this season! Congrats to them on delivering a season of awesome coverage. It's nice to know that despite all the changes TL has gone through, our progaming coverage on every front will always be of the highest standard.

Yeah it is always insane to read the TL articels.
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China3094 Posts
August 28 2010 02:40 GMT
#19
I'm so pumped for this
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China89 Posts
August 28 2010 02:40 GMT
#20
Jaedong win 3:1
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Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
August 28 2010 02:42 GMT
#21
I think Jaedong is back, not even flash can stand in his way.
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Korea (South)1678 Posts
August 28 2010 02:42 GMT
#22
Hype Hype Hype! Can't wait for the match, just 6 hours away!
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Austria2259 Posts
August 28 2010 02:43 GMT
#23
Read it, asbolutely great.

I love how both say in different ways that the maps dont matter as they are so good that it just comes down to skill

And I agree with Waxanger, 3:1 Flash.

Well, lets hope for the best of games, let no player make a mistake.
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Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
August 28 2010 02:44 GMT
#24
amazing article. Great stuff
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Netherlands1318 Posts
August 28 2010 02:46 GMT
#25
On August 28 2010 11:42 jax1492 wrote:
I think Jaedong is back, not even flash can stand in his way.

I'm thinking the same.
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liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
August 28 2010 02:49 GMT
#26
If it goes to set 5 Jaedong will definitely win. I'm just worried that Flash will take the series before that point
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
August 28 2010 02:52 GMT
#27
I'll have to watch that tomorrow. No way I'm staying up to 2 a.m. Nope. Sorry. Not even for Starcraft.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
August 28 2010 02:53 GMT
#28
CSTalker's prediction was pretty awesome.

Good read staff, got me hyped up even more for the finals.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 28 2010 02:56 GMT
#29
I was hoping for some hilarious flaming in the "Fan fervente". Smix is too manner
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Profile Blog Joined January 2010
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Last Edited: 2010-08-28 03:03:55
August 28 2010 03:03 GMT
#30
Jaedong actually complained about Odd Eye 3 recently

But yeah, hoping it won't matter too much here.
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Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
August 28 2010 03:07 GMT
#31
Go go Lee Young Ho!!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 28 2010 03:08 GMT
#32
Ahh! I'm really excited about this... I've not been this excited since like... World cup, haha.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
August 28 2010 03:14 GMT
#33
Well written. Got me all hyped up for the final.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 28 2010 03:34 GMT
#34
My goodness, I hope this keeps happening. Every single MSL.
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Profile Joined January 2009
United States61 Posts
August 28 2010 03:34 GMT
#35
omg hype increasing with every line of reading...
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Last Edited: 2010-08-28 03:38:29
August 28 2010 03:38 GMT
#36
Jaedong wins 3-0 easily.
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Canada135 Posts
August 28 2010 03:39 GMT
#37
Looking forward to it, man peace sleeping patterns
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United States1234 Posts
August 28 2010 03:39 GMT
#38
Holy shit. This is great.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
August 28 2010 03:42 GMT
#39
Oh mang here we go. If Flash takes this, I might have to do the unthinkable and bow to this bonjwa. Jaedong got this easy.
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Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
August 28 2010 03:50 GMT
#40
where can i see this live D:
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United States1278 Posts
August 28 2010 03:51 GMT
#41
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
August 28 2010 03:52 GMT
#42
after watching the effort flash osl which was amazing i was really dissapointed by the flash jaedong msl... hopefully they can make an awesome series this time
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United States10328 Posts
August 28 2010 03:53 GMT
#43
lol you took out my prediction too bad I am not staff (and I didn't pm you... hmm)

great writeup, but I think my hopes of watching have been quashed by my dad :/
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Canada2480 Posts
August 28 2010 03:56 GMT
#44
going to sleep, can`t wait


Jaedong Fighting!
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United States513 Posts
August 28 2010 03:56 GMT
#45
I sure hope it's not Jaedong getting 3-0'd again, cuz that would be hella disappointing. Although Flash getting 3-0'd wouldn't make for much excitement or awesomeness either. Really hoping for a long, drawn out 3-2, with 1, maybe 2 quick games.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
August 28 2010 03:58 GMT
#46
So amazingly excited for these matches, I'm rooting for Jaedong all the way
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
August 28 2010 04:01 GMT
#47
Flash wins 3-0.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
August 28 2010 04:03 GMT
#48
Where can I see this live? : O!
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Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 28 2010 04:04 GMT
#49
sick writeup

cant wait for part 3 tonight
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 28 2010 04:11 GMT
#50
Flash 3:2 please :D

JvF is so exciting!
:)
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United States158 Posts
August 28 2010 04:14 GMT
#51
It's revenge time for Jaedong.
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United States7481 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#52
i agree with FFJJ first 4 game winners... no idea what to expect from the 5th game though, really is a tossup.
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Canada2533 Posts
August 28 2010 04:18 GMT
#53
awesome write up as always =D
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United States747 Posts
August 28 2010 04:25 GMT
#54
WOOT FLASH omg awesome I can't wait.
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United States24 Posts
August 28 2010 04:34 GMT
#55
Flash you have to wiiin
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United States4327 Posts
August 28 2010 04:40 GMT
#56
Flash 3-0 incoming!
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United States2472 Posts
August 28 2010 04:51 GMT
#57
I predict FLASH 3:0!!!! Woooooh! Do it again!
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United States6012 Posts
August 28 2010 04:58 GMT
#58
Jaedong 3-2!
Jaedong :3
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Czech Republic2227 Posts
August 28 2010 05:01 GMT
#59
I woke 4 hours early today just to be sure to see Flash wining and claiming his title
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United States493 Posts
August 28 2010 05:10 GMT
#60
LOL Atrioc bringing it home baby!
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Brazil32 Posts
August 28 2010 05:10 GMT
#61
Flash Win 3:2
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Canada2933 Posts
August 28 2010 05:13 GMT
#62
JD 3-1! For the swarmmm!
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
August 28 2010 05:14 GMT
#63
As I said in the MSL Final thread you should really read this thread
Flash's curse
to get a feeling for when the rivality began. It was 1BO5 and 2BO3 bach then, and tonight we will have the concluding of the new epic BO3 of BO5 finals!
Twaxter
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada190 Posts
August 28 2010 05:27 GMT
#64
JAEDONNGG

Lose and Learn
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 28 2010 05:38 GMT
#65
On August 28 2010 11:12 riptide wrote:
The MSL team has done a fantastic job this season! Congrats to them on delivering a season of awesome coverage. It's nice to know that despite all the changes TL has gone through, our progaming coverage on every front will always be of the highest standard.

I'm mad at you riptide.
Now I can't have the first comment for the special post.

Oh well time to abuse the live report thread editing!

On August 28 2010 12:53 ]343[ wrote:
lol you took out my prediction too bad I am not staff (and I didn't pm you... hmm)

great writeup, but I think my hopes of watching have been quashed by my dad :/

Sorry roommate don't be so scrub next time.
Also wake up and watch and escape father.

Hmmm 9000 posts.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 28 2010 05:55 GMT
#66
Flash is really good, but too bad Jaedong will win 3-0.
Brood War loyalist
elpriceisright
Profile Joined September 2008
United States42 Posts
August 28 2010 05:59 GMT
#67
hell yes! history in the making! Go Jaedong! You're name is the only Korean word I can recognize!
QQplay
Profile Joined February 2009
United States229 Posts
August 28 2010 06:02 GMT
#68
Jaedong 3-0! all the wayy across the skyy
Aeropunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia255 Posts
August 28 2010 06:11 GMT
#69
JAEDONG! Get some sleep this time

JD 3>1 losing the first match of course.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
August 28 2010 06:28 GMT
#70
Great read guys!! So exciting!!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8046 Posts
August 28 2010 06:33 GMT
#71
I can't wait!
I voted Flash but my heart goes with the Tyrant!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
dolpiff
Profile Joined June 2010
France300 Posts
August 28 2010 06:46 GMT
#72
On August 28 2010 14:38 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 11:12 riptide wrote:
The MSL team has done a fantastic job this season! Congrats to them on delivering a season of awesome coverage. It's nice to know that despite all the changes TL has gone through, our progaming coverage on every front will always be of the highest standard.

I'm mad at you riptide.
Now I can't have the first comment for the special post.

Oh well time to abuse the live report thread editing!

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 12:53 ]343[ wrote:
lol you took out my prediction too bad I am not staff (and I didn't pm you... hmm)

great writeup, but I think my hopes of watching have been quashed by my dad :/

Sorry roommate don't be so scrub next time.
Also wake up and watch and escape father.

Hmmm 9000 posts.

9001 now according to my power scouter :D
Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
August 28 2010 06:51 GMT
#73
wooo so excited. great coverage, TL! read all of it!

l10f so baller for the interviews! but he'd be more baller if he sang some g-masta and push push for his grudgematch punishment!

i think i'll actually stay up till 5am this time to watch the finals. i'm hoping jaedong wins! (predicting 3-2 for jaedong)
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 28 2010 07:27 GMT
#74
TL coverage is always top notch! Great work!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
August 28 2010 07:27 GMT
#75
Come on Flash, be the bonjwa!
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 28 2010 07:31 GMT
#76
lol Flash

"The maps are terran favoured but I don't think that will matter too much for these finals"

"btw, wtf Dreamliner? come on guys that is like instant lose for me"
pinchita
Profile Joined August 2007
Chile16 Posts
August 28 2010 07:34 GMT
#77
fash good + win
teepy2003
Profile Joined August 2010
Vietnam5 Posts
August 28 2010 07:54 GMT
#78
when is this and where can i watch it?
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
August 28 2010 08:05 GMT
#79
On August 28 2010 16:31 Kyuukyuu wrote:
lol Flash

"The maps are terran favoured but I don't think that will matter too much for these finals"

"btw, wtf Dreamliner? come on guys that is like instant lose for me"

Yeah, I rofl'ed when I read this as well. Even though Flash did earn more respect from my front after that interview, despite that blunder.
wat
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 28 2010 08:12 GMT
#80
lol symphony, what a great term =P
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
BeaSteR
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden328 Posts
August 28 2010 08:20 GMT
#81
I think Jaedong will win but I hope Flash can pull out a win, it will be close :D
Greed is good
Furaha
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany271 Posts
August 28 2010 08:30 GMT
#82
Jaedong will win today, I am sure.
Player Manager @janinecgn // facebook.com/ZerglingLove
upbeat
Profile Joined February 2010
Philippines36 Posts
August 28 2010 08:35 GMT
#83
any link for live streams?
The only easy day... was yesterday..
gorchiza
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Bulgaria200 Posts
August 28 2010 08:41 GMT
#84
My prediction
Stork 3:0 ...
oppsss wrong final
http://www.youtube.com/user/GORCHIZA?feature=mhee
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
August 28 2010 08:50 GMT
#85
Dong Dong Dong! would love to see an epic 3:2 win for the beastly zerg.
keep it deep! @zulison
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
August 28 2010 08:57 GMT
#86
Wow great write up!

Was a little disappointed in the last msl write up but this certainly makes up for it
whamm
Profile Joined December 2009
67 Posts
August 28 2010 08:59 GMT
#87
links?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 28 2010 09:01 GMT
#88
On August 28 2010 17:59 whamm wrote:
links?


under the calendar now
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
August 28 2010 10:00 GMT
#89
This won't be the last finals. It won't be!!!
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
August 28 2010 10:37 GMT
#90
On August 28 2010 17:35 upbeat wrote:
any link for live streams?


http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Kentor
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
TL+ Member
7h30n
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia120 Posts
August 28 2010 10:55 GMT
#91
Go Jaedong!

Although I don't play BW anymore it is always nice to watch awesome matches!
Exathor
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia56 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 00:28:59
August 28 2010 11:47 GMT
#92
SPOILER ALERT

+ Show Spoiler +
flash won

NOOOOOOOoooooo



User was warned for this post
Vorrenus
Profile Joined March 2010
Afghanistan94 Posts
August 28 2010 12:00 GMT
#93
Wow the stream ranged over 7400 viewer at 1 point, gj kentor. + Show Spoiler +
I got depressed when flash lost his m&ms a couple of times I though it was over.

Also epic lol on behalf the zerg fans:

Flash is loosing game 5:
Zerg fans - " yeah I said jd would let him win 2 and then destroy him, go jd terran sux"

Flash wins game 5:
Zerg fans - "op fu*king terran, gay ass mech"
7h30n
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia120 Posts
August 28 2010 12:01 GMT
#94
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 28 2010 20:47 Exathor wrote:
SPOILER ALERT

flash won

NOOOOOOOoooooo


NOOOOOOOO


And I missed the last round
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
August 28 2010 12:03 GMT
#95
+ Show Spoiler +
FLASH'S TREBBLE YEAR CMON

Though I still hate the game1/2 "lol so gay and cheesy flash noob" game 4 "omg jaedong so skilled". They are both S class, respect them nomatter their tactics.
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 12:18:34
August 28 2010 12:18 GMT
#96
On August 28 2010 20:47 Exathor wrote:
SPOILER ALERT
+ Show Spoiler +

flash won

NOOOOOOOoooooo


If you're going to say "SPOILER ALERT", SPOILER that shit!

but this was a great series between the two greatest players of all time. Watch. Epicness. It ended on a classic note to...
+ Show Spoiler +
no "imba" mech, just good ol' bionic vs good ol' muta & lurkers. SO CLASSIC. Made me so happy to see it end on a note like that.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
SUSUGAM
Profile Joined November 2007
United States177 Posts
August 28 2010 12:54 GMT
#97
On August 28 2010 11:30 neobowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
Lately, it is very difficult as Zerg to play long matches against Terran since Terran can use many different variations of play. As a Zerg, it's very difficult to practice.


Even JD admits it.

In other news, great article. I am HYPED UP! Jaedong hwaiting! Hoping for a great finals.


yeah i mean 5 rax reaper, double port banshee, mech heavy crap, proxy rax, so many variations and all zerg has is banelings
bisufanboi049
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 28 2010 12:58 GMT
#98
On August 28 2010 21:00 Vorrenus wrote:
Wow the stream ranged over 7400 viewer at 1 point, gj kentor. + Show Spoiler +
I got depressed when flash lost his m&ms a couple of times I though it was over.

Also epic lol on behalf the zerg fans:

Flash is loosing game 5:
Zerg fans - " yeah I said jd would let him win 2 and then destroy him, go jd terran sux"

Flash wins game 5:
Zerg fans - "op fu*king terran, gay ass mech"


+ Show Spoiler +
It annoys me to hell that people hate on Flash.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
August 28 2010 13:19 GMT
#99
On August 28 2010 21:00 Vorrenus wrote:
Wow the stream ranged over 7400 viewer at 1 point, gj kentor. + Show Spoiler +
I got depressed when flash lost his m&ms a couple of times I though it was over.

Also epic lol on behalf the zerg fans:

Flash is loosing game 5:
Zerg fans - " yeah I said jd would let him win 2 and then destroy him, go jd terran sux"

Flash wins game 5:
Zerg fans - "op fu*king terran, gay ass mech"


+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah. When he won using mech it's 'gay mech'. When he won with bio it's simply 'imba Terran'. Sigh.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
sCriv
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom90 Posts
August 28 2010 13:40 GMT
#100
gogo jaedong!! I believe in you!!! <3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 28 2010 13:45 GMT
#101
On August 28 2010 22:40 ConSenT wrote:
gogo jaedong!! I believe in you!!! <3

+ Show Spoiler +

Dude,its over already even the VODS will be up soon.

if you are talking about OSL then nevermind

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
sCriv
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom90 Posts
August 28 2010 14:00 GMT
#102
VODS anyone?
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
August 28 2010 16:14 GMT
#103
Not meaning to nitpick but penultimate means next to the last. Might want to fix that ^^
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 28 2010 16:41 GMT
#104
Awesome read and great reasons for the predictions! Good job MSL team. ^_^
darkness overpowering
TymerA
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands759 Posts
August 28 2010 17:05 GMT
#105
3rd match was awesome. i was screaming inside.

Congrats to+ Show Spoiler +
Flash, although i root Z i was happy to see him as happy as he was.
nice.
RoarMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada745 Posts
August 28 2010 18:13 GMT
#106
JAEDOING FIGHTING!

Looking forward to this epic conflict between Flash and Jaedong agian :D
All the pros got dat Ichie.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
August 28 2010 19:45 GMT
#107
Caption: Sex by alffla.
That's not Lomo!
Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
August 28 2010 22:23 GMT
#108
+ Show Spoiler +
Ver was spot-on with his predictions and player analysis (although Flash's foible in game 4 didn't seem to throw him off that much). Kudos to you, sir.
coffeetoss | "Team Liquid Fantasy Proleague: Tales of Miserable Failure and Deep Regret" -Kanil
hoens
Profile Joined May 2009
3 Posts
August 28 2010 23:51 GMT
#109
So apparently I missed this because there was no date in the news post. For more casual observers (such as myself) it would be greatly appreciated if, in the future, the date of the event was prominently displayed somewhere with the news items. Thanks for everything though guys!
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 01:00:19
August 29 2010 00:54 GMT
#110
On August 28 2010 23:00 ConSenT wrote:
VODS anyone?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52045&currentpage=161

On August 29 2010 08:51 hoens wrote:
So apparently I missed this because there was no date in the news post. For more casual observers (such as myself) it would be greatly appreciated if, in the future, the date of the event was prominently displayed somewhere with the news items. Thanks for everything though guys!

Most of it is talked about in the BW forums section. Might also be on right the side at upcoming events.

Still, for the SC2 section, I would like to know exactly when every major recurring tournament takes place each year, like which dates of the year. A list on liquipedia would suffice. I was never able to learn the schedule for BW.
[Azn]Nada
Profile Joined April 2009
United States275 Posts
August 29 2010 03:22 GMT
#111
Great read, great series.

Appreciate the MSL team for dedicating their time xD. Clearly, loads of ppl still like MSL; over 7000 ppl watched it.
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 29 2010 06:11 GMT
#112
On August 29 2010 12:22 [Azn]Nada wrote:
Great read, great series.

Appreciate the MSL team for dedicating their time xD. Clearly, loads of ppl still like MSL; over 7000 ppl watched it.
People Liked Flash and jaedong not the MSL :D
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Assert
Profile Joined August 2010
12 Posts
August 29 2010 06:27 GMT
#113
Wow...That's an awesome read. Give me a lot of background information on Flash and Jaedong. GO FLASH! Good writing!
All I wanted was for you to experience the happiness I had experience.
C0rrupt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States57 Posts
August 29 2010 06:36 GMT
#114
This is going to be such a great match!
The corruption has begun
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 29 2010 11:20 GMT
#115
Come on Ultimate Weapon!
觀過斯知仁矣.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
August 29 2010 17:40 GMT
#116
Wow ... Epic Final
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 29 2010 18:03 GMT
#117
On August 29 2010 08:51 hoens wrote:
So apparently I missed this because there was no date in the news post. For more casual observers (such as myself) it would be greatly appreciated if, in the future, the date of the event was prominently displayed somewhere with the news items. Thanks for everything though guys!


i think rather you just need to learn how to read the 'upcoming events' on the tl calender, i mean it is bolded and quite easy to see as it's on every page of the site
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
ayababa
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia347 Posts
August 30 2010 01:51 GMT
#118
Just because im a complete noob i need help... and also before i ask this question i want you to know i did wiki search and read about it first... but I am still confused.

OSL (ongame.net star league?) team based play (as in your put on a team but its still 1v1
MSL (MBCgame Starleague) single player based play no teams?

Is this correct? Because it is confusing as hell right now.
Well done is better than well said - Benjamin Franklin
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
August 30 2010 02:45 GMT
#119
On August 30 2010 10:51 ayababa wrote:
Just because im a complete noob i need help... and also before i ask this question i want you to know i did wiki search and read about it first... but I am still confused.

OSL (ongame.net star league?) team based play (as in your put on a team but its still 1v1
MSL (MBCgame Starleague) single player based play no teams?

Is this correct? Because it is confusing as hell right now.


The Starleagues - OSL and MSL - are individual/single player leagues. No team-based here.

On the contrary, Proleague is a team competition league where teams fight each other for several rounds before entering playoff.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
August 30 2010 02:50 GMT
#120
anyone know where i can watch the award ceremony?
KT_FlaSh #1
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-30 03:17:34
August 30 2010 03:16 GMT
#121
As always it is a pleasure to read Ver's analysis.

Great write-up.

+ Show Spoiler +
and it is amazing how accurate Ver was in his predictions!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 30 2010 03:19 GMT
#122
On August 30 2010 10:51 ayababa wrote:
Just because im a complete noob i need help... and also before i ask this question i want you to know i did wiki search and read about it first... but I am still confused.

OSL (ongame.net star league?) team based play (as in your put on a team but its still 1v1
MSL (MBCgame Starleague) single player based play no teams?

Is this correct? Because it is confusing as hell right now.


OSL = OnGameNet Starleague.
MSL = MBCGame Starcraft League.
Both are individual leagues.

SPL (Shinhan ProLeague) and the Dream League are team leagues.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/individual-leagues
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/team-leagues
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Leagues
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
ayababa
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia347 Posts
August 30 2010 05:19 GMT
#123
On August 30 2010 12:19 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 10:51 ayababa wrote:
Just because im a complete noob i need help... and also before i ask this question i want you to know i did wiki search and read about it first... but I am still confused.

OSL (ongame.net star league?) team based play (as in your put on a team but its still 1v1
MSL (MBCgame Starleague) single player based play no teams?

Is this correct? Because it is confusing as hell right now.


OSL = OnGameNet Starleague.
MSL = MBCGame Starcraft League.
Both are individual leagues.

SPL (Shinhan ProLeague) and the Dream League are team leagues.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/individual-leagues
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/team-leagues
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Leagues


thanks you! and also to the other guy that replied as well. AHH who was i kidding. i should of gone to liquidpedia instead of normal wiki haha. will do next time.
Well done is better than well said - Benjamin Franklin
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 30 2010 08:21 GMT
#124
On August 30 2010 12:16 Lebesgue wrote:
As always it is a pleasure to read Ver's analysis.

Great write-up.

+ Show Spoiler +
and it is amazing how accurate Ver was in his predictions!

I feel like I say this quite a bit, but Ver imba.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
August 30 2010 10:30 GMT
#125
Amazing writeup. Quite sad Jaedong lost. But Flash mindgames is so frustrating. He did the same thing to Stork in Bacchus OSL Finals.
Stork protoss legend
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
August 30 2010 15:57 GMT
#126
Where can i download replays ?
MegamanXZero
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands12 Posts
August 30 2010 21:03 GMT
#127
Wow @ first 2 games and play by Flash, but the ones after that were quite weird :S I was hoping Jaedong would come back with 2 and he did, but not the way I had imagined it. But nice play in some games, so I'm glad about this MSL Grand Final.
The Terran Emperor 4-Ever !
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10160 Posts
August 31 2010 17:09 GMT
#128
Flash wins, regardless of how many matches. he'll take both games on polaris, and certainly take odd eye, or if he doesn't hell take fighting spirit. although jaedong beat him in the WCG, Flash will use that lose to fuel himself and show the world hes better than JD, and that JD wont win that golden badge unless flash isnt in the finals.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
September 01 2010 13:18 GMT
#129
On September 01 2010 02:09 FlaShFTW wrote:
Flash wins, regardless of how many matches. he'll take both games on polaris, and certainly take odd eye, or if he doesn't hell take fighting spirit. although jaedong beat him in the WCG, Flash will use that lose to fuel himself and show the world hes better than JD, and that JD wont win that golden badge unless flash isnt in the finals.


You have epic prediction skills, I must say.
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