I'm hoping that all the P players got together in a strange conspiracy to collectively fail on the preseason map tests, to force the maps to be toss-favored.

Misrah

United States1695 Posts

October 04 2009 20:25 GMT

#63

hey great read, thanks so much for all of the effort you put into this!

StorrZerg

United States13919 Posts

October 04 2009 20:57 GMT

#64

thanks for the hard work IntoTheWow

great read

ImNotBisu

Canada142 Posts

October 04 2009 21:03 GMT

#65

Sigh, guess we won't be seeing a return of the GAP (Gold Age of Protoss).

:[

ShaperofDreams

Canada2492 Posts

October 04 2009 21:08 GMT

#66

Looks like Jaedong is getting another title.

How can map-makers screw up this badly? Perhaps there should be a map or two solely for each individual match up. That way a map just has to be balanced one way, I imagine it's hard to tweak a balance feature without messing another one up.

endy

Switzerland8970 Posts

October 04 2009 21:09 GMT

#67

great article thx!
wtf is wrong with kespa, P: Z 39:89 and P:T 45:80

time's definitely up for the dragons

FranzF1

Chile1710 Posts

October 04 2009 21:17 GMT

#68

For me its not kespa fault or maps faults.. its just that Terrans and Zergs keep improving always.. and Toss last new thing was just Bisu corsair/dt build (yeah like 1 year or more ago)... they need news strategies and I put my faith on Stork and Jangbi.

Cus terrans got fantasy agresive TvP or new style of ZvP by Jaedong and others... Toss just need a new or old player to play diferent and the trend will change.

MuffinDude

United States3837 Posts

October 04 2009 21:31 GMT

#69

On October 05 2009 06:17 FranzF1 wrote:
For me its not kespa fault or maps faults.. its just that Terrans and Zergs keep improving always.. and Toss last new thing was just Bisu corsair/dt build (yeah like 1 year or more ago)... they need news strategies and I put my faith on Stork and Jangbi.

Cus terrans got fantasy agresive TvP or new style of ZvP by Jaedong and others... Toss just need a new or old player to play diferent and the trend will change.

It doesn't change the fact that its imba maps. Stork has already shown a way to stop fantasy's aggressive play and its not like all z can copy jaedong's play.

DarkShadowz

Sweden321 Posts

October 04 2009 22:44 GMT

#70

Seems like Bisu is right when he complain about maps.

Great write up.

Crunchums

United States11143 Posts

October 04 2009 22:46 GMT

#71

Asgard, match point, tornado, and silver wing are all acceptable maps that hopefully won't be too imbalanced.
Judgement Day, acro, and road runner look awful and boring and I hope they don't get used.
I don't have an opinion on moon glaive.

khy

United States475 Posts

October 04 2009 22:58 GMT

#72

I guess they're looking to overturn the Legend of the Fall.

Here's to hoping that Bisu pulls something off regardless

koreasilver

9109 Posts

October 04 2009 23:00 GMT

#73

The preliminary stats are depressing.

skronch

United States2717 Posts

October 04 2009 23:26 GMT

#74

the map stats are pretty dissapointing. as much fun as it is to watch protoss fail, watching tvz's has begun to get stale, and the mirror matches aren't great either.

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

October 04 2009 23:30 GMT

#75

OSL and MSL introduce new maps, right? Maybe they'll have some more balanced ones.

logic13

Sweden128 Posts

October 04 2009 23:49 GMT

#76

Great write up!

FranzF1

Chile1710 Posts

October 04 2009 23:50 GMT

#77

Its not that I hate protoss (my fav team khan lol) but I hate that actitude of every toss player... "yeah maps are imba we are lost gg no re" its like a lazy way of justify that they are playing badly and its all Bisu fault.. I dont remember stork crying about map imba (well maybe a little like every player)... for me maps where Imba before, when nat didnt have gas or with like 2 gas expa for map, that was imba.

Also could someone who understand SC very good correct me if im wrong, but for me when a map is made with a little P>Z imba results on a map T>P too? (well not like really T>>>P but like bridges and narrow paths goods for storms, no big center..etc..)

MountainDewJunkie

United States10341 Posts

October 04 2009 23:52 GMT

#78

Is no one considering the obviousness that protoss have yet to create a solid response to the 5-hatch build, or simply how fe is still so vulnerable to 2/3 hatch hydra breaks? When each new distinct map shows this level of imbalance after a swarm season, it shows that zergs still have superior builds at the moment. It's a little laughable to think that all of these maps were somehow unintentionally (or otherwise) designed to a zerg's advantage; it's more plausible that protoss have yet to adapt. Those are my thoughts on PvZ, anyway.

[You don't know shit! They're all just imba! Obviously you know nothing about PvZ! (perhaps) Thanks for this useless post!]