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On July 17 2009 02:37 chaoser wrote: i like how no one's responded to my post. thanks guys. gg. mafia wins Not really sure. Either you got really unlucky on that ydg list or mafia played horribly that lynch.
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On July 17 2009 03:11 Falcynn wrote:Well, I kind of suck with clues, but here's some basic analysis of their voting times. + Show Spoiler + Chaoser
L(don't think Emperor vote matters since both leading candidates were green)
ydg (originally abstained when it was too close to call, with neither candidate having more than 3 votes, then Truthbringer started gaining votes quickly, and when ydg started getting close again, he voted ydg) abstain (abstained 14 hours once the vote opened, then didn't change after that)
ecomania(voted for ecomania when the voting was tied 4-4. If chaoser is mafia, then this would make sense as motbob seemed to be more useful than ecomania.)
Faronel(second to vote, and voted to lynch me. He then changed and was the first to vote Faronel, being the first on the bandwagon. Prior to this he was in the lead to be lynched.) Pyrrhuloxia
Malongo
L
TruthBringer(quickly voted for heavonearth, then switched his vote when the vote was tied between ydg and Truthbringer at 5-5)
BloodyCobbler x 2(used both votes on BC when he was behind ecomania and kuja by 3 and 4 votes respectively, bandwagon started after this)
ecomania(voted last minute when ecomania was already clearly in the lead)
Faronel(voted fairly early and didn't switch) Not voted yet
Lenwe Abstain
TruthBringer(voted Truthbringer when the votes were tied 10-10 with ydg)
Kuja900/BloodyCobbler(originally voted Kuja-Falcynn, when Kuja was far in the lead with everyone else not no further than 3 votes. Then changed his vote from me to BloodyCobbler once ecomania fell behind BC 10-12)
ecomania(voted for ecomania when he was ahead, like my reasons for Chaoser, this makes sense since motbob was more useful it seems than motbob)
Faronel(voted when Faronel was ahead of everyone by over 5 votes) Chaoser
Its not like it does matter too much now. If chaoser isnt mafia we are screwed anyways.
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On July 17 2009 04:36 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 04:17 Falcynn wrote:Dude, don't edit your post like that Before his edit he mentioned clasic, Lenwe, and someone else (I refreshed and since apparently you can't unrefresh I missed the third guy) as his primary suspects. If he does turn out innocent then this may be worth noting. sorry, i was just so upset about this stupid vote, if i'm going to die i want to die right, with people arguing for why i should die. this jsut seems so stupid. every other lynch, right or wrong people talked about clue links and such but for me there's none of that, it's just blindly voting. i'll put what i said before here though i doubt it'll matter much. "i'm so fucking upset over people like lenwe, clasic, and goodwill who voted without saying anything." i changed it cause in the end this day is going to end, no one's going to say shit and i'mma die green. and so i give up. nothing i say means anything. so gg. The problem is that you got caught on that list man. Scaramanga says 1 of these is mafia: Malongo, Chaoser, Lenwe (note that 1 is pledge). Lenwe hasnt done much, i suck at this and you got caught with the shitload of mafia voting ydg vs truthbringer. Im pretty sure tomorrow its me or Lenwe if you flip green. (HINT IM A GREEN MOROOOON). On the other side of the road we have HOE, Goodwill, IloveTK and Clasic that have done 0. Nothing, none, no word from them. I tried getting one almost at pure random skill and guess what: I got a fucking protegee. I cant do more sorry guys.
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Sooo sick. Lol and i thought i was playing bad. Hey mamma im mafia can we vote ydg all togheter at the same time...??? Phyrr I never tried to defend chaoser, clues to him were just garbage and you know that. Please believe me: Lenwe is pledge because IM TOWNIEEEE ahahahah goddamnit how the hell im gonna tell you guys im not mafia... lololololllllll. WAIT there is a way i can prove im townie, im not kidding LOLOLOLOLOL i will come back with this idea in 30 minutes because this can be autogg even if we lost all important roles today: Remember weather? we can use the weather to separate people in certain number of groups to check if all the people that say that have a vote does really have it LOL this could work...
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On July 17 2009 08:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh I get it, we could have like Malongo vote for one weather and then no one else vote for any weather and see what happened. But if he's red, especially GF, that's an extra KP for day and could mean the difference between win or loss for us, especially if we end up with no weather or a weather we can't use, which is most of them. In any case, this plan means we have to potentially waste our lynch and wait an extra day to see if our top suspect can change weather or not. Wrong. First of all weather is almost useless now for us: Theres 1 mafia, 1 pledge and 1 GF alive (from foolishness math i think dont remember well). So sunny is idiot, fog gives us nothing mafia kp will be always 2 even if we lynch GF (see next point) we dont have angels. The only weather that has value for us is snow (LOL). If we lynch GF then other mafia takes the rol so mafia KP will be always 2 until theres only one mafia. Second I retire what i said about Lenwe, he can be townie for now because i assumed chaoser was GF (being chaoser GF meant theres one pledge between me and Lenwe but chaoser himself was the pledge). So the only thing I can do to prove myself 100% green is to ask town to not vote weather for the day and I vote snow. If the weather doesnt turn snow im mafia plain and simple. Unfortunately that means other townies would want to prove themself townies as well and im the main suspect now. Man im feeling so stupid now should have done this today.
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On July 17 2009 09:15 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 09:07 Malongo wrote: If we lynch GF then other mafia takes the rol so mafia KP will be always 2 until theres only one mafia.
Actually, I'm pretty sure God Father's dead completely if we lynch him. The role gets passed on only if the assassin killed him. Right missread that. Mmmm. Shit. Seems like im going to be the cause of the lose.
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I can only ask townies to review my day 2 voting list. If mafia put 5 votes (at least) to save truthbringer why didnt I change my vote? Take in mind that im the 5th voter for truthbringer and that the count is 12 // 11 truthbringer over ydg and then come the last 2 votes to truthbringer. If im mafia why didnt I change my vote? Please review this well before looking me red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97002¤tpage=4
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On July 17 2009 09:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2009 09:28 Malongo wrote:I can only ask townies to review my day 2 voting list. If mafia put 5 votes (at least) to save truthbringer why didnt I change my vote? Take in mind that im the 5th voter for truthbringer and that the count is 12 // 11 truthbringer over ydg and then come the last 2 votes to truthbringer. If im mafia why didnt I change my vote? Please review this well before looking me red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97002¤tpage=4 Maybe you spread yours out because you are GF? Also, you could say the same thing about anyone voting for TruthBringer, its like the only vote of yours that has ended up the right way. If we go by what you're saying, that every mafia would have changed their vote to ydg, we'd have to lynch ilovekt and falcynn, the remaining two ydg voters. Yet iLoveKT led the charge against chaoser and I'd bet falcynn is innocent, too. Yeah i see your point. Sadly you are playing with something i dont manage: I dont know who is in contact with Scaramanga and the Mystic. I dont know who is the mystic. I dont know who was rolechecked by the mystic. And last this was not the best move for the GF to come up to lynch BC, to call first to lynch faronel (based on a very likely clue) and last if im the godfather believe me: I wouldnt have come to "defend" chaoser like you try to put me (in fact i never said he wasnt mafia i said his clues were garbage). Put yourself in the position, why to call to lynch ilovekt like that over chaoser? No im not mafia. Just read my posts, read all mafia posts and you will see that theres 0 chance im mafia.
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Right now im just witing to see the mafia targets. Since there are 3 mafia alive and 2 will hit this will be most revealing about them. And for the list I proposed Scaramanga Infundibulum Pyrr I just think those guys have been veteran enough and active enough this game to not get hit from mafia, so when i wrote the list I was looking for an angel for the mystic or mafia.
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On July 17 2009 20:31 Ace wrote: its because the town has such great abilities the mafia have a hard time killing everyone v_v Annoying. I thought the forum was going to be private exaclty to prevent this. Get out.
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Malongo's Ghetto Checklists:
Before the day comes im almost sure mafia will hit 2 people from the 10 voting yesterday, so while we wait im proposing this method to a) Force mafia to lie b) Get something extra from our weather voting. First thing first: Weather is useless besides snow at this point. This method fails to be 100% town win condition because its dependant on activity and there are 3 players inactive right now: RoL, BWdero, Clasic. For you three please if you are townie dont vote weather as you are going to harm the town if you do. Second: this is absolutely inocuous for the town because if we lose the snow (double clues yay!) we get a 1/3 mafia checklist or a group of confirmed townies. How? simply tomorrow when you vote for weather post your weather choice in this thread and the exact time you sent your pm to Plexa as soon as you pmd the vote. Theres only 3 conditions:
- If you see there are no votes for weather in this thread yet or just 1 vote in sunny you must vote SUNNY as well.
- If you see there are 2 votes in sunny already in this thread vote SNOW until there are 3 votes in snow MAXIMUM.
- If you see there are already 2 votes for sunny and 3 for snow please vote RAIN.
As you see im not asking too much: just post you weather vote, time, and to put the votes in this order. Worst case scenario we will get snow anyways.
Please if we still have blues alive dont vote weather and wait until i make some arrangments at this idea. All this is based in the assumption that we will lose the blues tonight.
Some numbers: There will be 8 people alive (plus 3 inactives). From the 8 any number up to 3 can be mafia (there can be n mafia hidding in the inactives). The votes are arranged so if everyone not inactive post his vote here it will be
- 2 sunny - 3 snow - 3 rain
Outcomes:
- If we get sunny then we traded the snow for
a) 2 confirmed townies (2 in sunny) b) a checklist: at least 1 voter in snow is mafia. c) We can get another checklist from rain if all people voted.
However im 100% positive that townies have nothing to lose here: if a group of people decide that they wont post theyr weather its extremely suspicious.
- If we get snow well we get snow, we didnt lose anything (YAY! inocuous) and:
a) the three people in snow are Confirmed Townies or b)Theres one mafia voting snow, one mafia voting sunny and one mafia voting rain/inactive.
Good for the town we didnt lose anything and we got more info. This is the worst case scenario.
- If we get rain we traded the snow for:
a) The three people in rain are confirmed townies. b) There is at least 1 mafia voting snow.
Sooo what do you think people? Who is going to refuse?
I repeat that RoL, BWdero and Clasic please dont vote for weather. I took you 3 because 1 is banned (Clasic) one is busy (RoL) and the other didnt vote last lynch (BWdero). If you still need to vote then vote fog. (Even if they 3 vote fog theres a lot of info for us).
Also note that this is independant of your lynch vote.
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On July 18 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote: To: Plexa [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: weather Date: 7/18/09 13:35 sunny
like that? Exactly.
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However dont do it NOW if you read the post wait until Day post comes. Yeah that vote doesnt count yet.
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Well since i dont know if your pm was real or not i ask you: did you send it? HOE? if the answer is yes then there are 2 people now on sunny you and me:
To: Plexa [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Mafia Date: 7/18/09 13:47 Hi my vote for next day weather is sunny. Please confirm if it is valid.
Please people wait until post comes since we need to confirm if hoes vote and mine were valid or not.
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Do you like my idea Scara?
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Cool. Townies please wait that Plexa confirms HOE and my vote as valids to continue 3 on snow.
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On July 19 2009 08:04 motbob wrote: This lull in the action is a great time for me to advertise my new mafia game! This man knows his business.
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On July 19 2009 11:03 Plexa wrote: where the hell is everyone? sure there are only 11 of you but this is a rather anticlimatic way to end it all =/ Please Plexa put a deadline time. Mafia please come end this like a man, or mafia.
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Last Malongo's effort to get a Ghetto checklist: Since we have like 0 activity levels, the mystic is still alive (and we dont want to make it obvious although i think he should come foward asap because we are fucked but it doesnt matter because im the guy with less credibility in this whole game and not even my mother believes me) and Lenwe already voted SNOW then Malongos Ghetto checklist morphed into:
To: Plexa [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Mafia weather Date: 7/19/09 12:08 Hi i vote snow for weather. Thanks.
Now there are 2 people in Snow. We need that whoever comes and vote (and we cant force anyone but the mystic can lie voting in the pattern or stay away if he wants.) that townies come in 2s voting the same weather that is not snow. Then we will have 2 snow, 2 sunny, 2 rain. If weather is not snow i just fucked myself and Lenwe is mafia. If weather is snow we have 2 confirmed townies: Lenwe and Malongo. Thats all. Next two voters go sunny, then 2 on rain and last 2 on fog if theres enough people. And post time and weather. If you vote snow you are mafia because you are fucking my plan, im not kidding here.
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TL;DR version: We need 2 guys on Sunny, then 2 guys on rain and if there are more that vote fog. Mystic feel free to fake your vote, it wont matter unless Lenwe is mafia. Post your pm here people.
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