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Also, Shikyo does bring up a good point. If we want to get our targets lynched we have to focus our votes on them. This especially goes for the mayor spot who has 3 votes alone to sway the vote results to his favor.
And town, please don't bandwagon whatever I vote, even though I'm the confirmed townie. As I stated in the voting thread, I just threw my preliminary votes, they may not be final. If you wish to vote for the same please do it because you believe in the reasonings that have been made in this thread, such as crate's post on Shikyo or my post on omG.[RaYnE], not because you think it's safe to go with whatever the others are.
It may also be wise to wait with voting for now, as we really haven't come to an agreement of the best solution yet.
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On May 25 2009 20:50 Shikyo wrote:
Why would I ever suggest something like that? Oh well, maybe you'll get into your senses. ^_^
Here's what crate would say:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM
WIFOM arguments are often a Scum tactic used to distract the Town. The scum will make an unusual play at night, which would lead to a situation that would 'clear' them (because players will think, "Why would a scum do that?"
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Updated list. motbob has roleclaimed.
Missing:
iLoveKTF (away)
chaoser
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
ydg
I10f
phelix
BWdero
epicdoom
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Yay a bunch of new posts to read through. Haven't done it yet though so I can't comment on them as of now. I just wanted to update the list of missing roleclaims.
The following players have roleclaimed to me since last update: chaoser, Phelix, I10f
Missing:
iLoveKTF (away)
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
ydg
BWdero
epicdoom
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Shikyo wrote:
I think that I also tried to push teks into hitting zeks way too strongly. -_- I regret that as well. I also think that that is actually the main reason why he suspects me at this time.
In the end I'm the one responsible for my own actions. I went through zeks' post history myself and tried to analyze his actions as best as I could, I don't hold anything against you on this part. And that is not why I suspect you 
crate wrote:
Oh teks, why did you have to be so clumsy and roleclaim and make it so hard to read into this...?
I was going to tell him the next night anyway, so I didn't see it making a difference. I voted for him in the election and basically had the feeling that he was town-aligned, and I needed someone to discuss my ideas with, because I wanted to avoid a situation like this. Look how well that turned out. :p
crate wrote:
You didn't even mention that you thought zeks was suspicious until that night (teks you made the same mistake); your timing was atrocious on day 2. Do you dispute these conclusions?
That probably was a mistake indeed. But I felt that zeks was such an active and experienced player and I didn't want to randomly throw out accusations on such a player without building up a case. I should probably have started working on it sooner though.
crate wrote:Show nested quote +teks wrote:
His plan was then to make me the confirmed and gullible townie, then have me give him the list "in the event that I die" holy shit how did i miss this? do NOT do that
vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Teks, do NOT PM that list to anyone unless you are 100% sure of their role.
Yeah I know. I'm not in any danger at this point so the list stays right where it is. Also, I said that he might do that because that was/is basically the only logic explanation for why I'm still alive, either that he wants to have me PM him the list, or PM someone else who is mafia. I don't know. Either way it seems weird for a mafia to do this. You'd think he would want to kill off what he knew could turn up as a confirmed townie, but didn't even try. And then go on the next day and back me up and encourage people to PM me roles? There's definitely something iffy here. But JeeJee said he could explain it, so I'm basically waiting for a PM from him or something
crate wrote:
i'm not bitter about your fuckup with zeks
i'm more pissed at teks for it, he's the one who fucked up
Indeed. :/
crate wrote:
Anyone roleclaim mafia? ^^
Yes, actually. LTT is mafia. We need to lynch him ASAP.
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The thing about this game is that there are way too few people who actually post anything. That means that the mafia still hides, and we really have nothing to go on except clues. And the clues we have so far haven't really been bulletproof evidence. I'm pretty sure on RaYnE, but I was pretty sure on zeks as well and look how well that turned out.
About Shikyo, I'm still torn.
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I no longer think Shikyo is mafia.
All our links are so weak. Damnit. I don't know who to vote for. RaYnE seems too easy
I'm thinking BWdero due to Black Bolt.
chaoser would be my next choice due to the stealthy ninjazzz. Also, poker.
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On May 26 2009 06:44 crate wrote:Which links do you think are weak?
Basically all our clues. As in, we have no really obvious ones.
If you're talking about Shikyo, I just don't see how he can be mafia and not kill off a confirmed townie + a dt, even if it meant that he would have died in the process.
You're going to call me stupid now aren't you
:D
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On May 26 2009 06:51 crate wrote:Show nested quote +teks wrote:
Basically all our clues. As in, we have no really obvious ones.
If you're talking about Shikyo, I just don't see how he can be mafia and not kill off a confirmed townie + a dt, even if it meant that he would have died in the process. What does "all our clues" mean? Don't be so vague here please.
Well, we have clues on almost all of our suspects. But then again we had clues on therapy and Jayme too. Basically, we need to reduce mafia KP tonight, but I'm still only seeing a gamble.
I still feel the clues are strongest on rayne, chaoser and BWdero. But rayne seems to go down way too easily (unless the mafia is giving him up due to inactivity), and noone seem to agree with me on BWdero.
All I'm saying is that I wish this choice would be easier to make.
On May 26 2009 06:51 crate wrote:
And teks I should be able to call you stupid for hitting zeks all game :p
Good point 
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On May 26 2009 07:00 crate wrote:
I'm weighing Shikyo's behavior as far more important than clues. You want to follow clue analysis, go ahead. I agree with using it on inactives; we need something to go on to pick which one to hit and we can't use posts there.
How about all those clues linking to zeks? Didn't stop you last night....
Stopping you now since you whiffed last time? :p
I weigh behavior more too. His actions (or lack of actions if you will) make him seem more town than anything to me.
I want to follow clue analysis because that's what we got. We have like 50% inactives left in this game, so there's not really that much else to work with.
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I gotta get to bed. I will try to get up to check out the vote progress some time before the voting closes, because I'm sure this discussion won't end here. Meanwhile I'm changing my vote from Shikyo to chaoser.
Please don't lynch Shikyo. Even though he may have been acting strangely or played poorly, it would make no sense for him to spare me and an (most likely) unprotected DT last night, he knew our roles.
Other than that, I just hope people vote for whoever they see as the strongest suspect. I won't try to sway people to vote what I vote because I'm probably wrong anyway.
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Wow, this is such a mess. Am I too late?
Foolishness, if you want to go pick suspects off my list, start with the missing ones.
iLoveKTF (away)
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
ydg
BWdero
epicdoom
Both rayne and BWdero are on it, so that would be a decent lynch imo. Yes, Rayne seems to easy, but no, the Rayne -> BloodRayne isn't too farfetched. The character in BloodRayne is called Rayne. And I can't find anyone else meaningful named Rayne.
clazziquai and epicdoom have had clues or weird behavior pointing to them, so that would also be a decent suggestion.
I'm sorry I haven't been on in the last hours to sort this out. It's nighttime here and I have an exam tomorrow. I can't really sort this out, and I don't think my list would contribute all that much because I have a shitload of townie claims and still a big missing list. Basically every suspect we discuss are on one of those lists.
With the two last vote shifts it seems JeeJee will have his wish. If Shikyo turns green, Ra.Xor.2 and motbob doesn't come out very well.
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I would want to lynch a mafia mayor too. But there is still no changing the fact that Shikyo had a good list of blues on day two which he didn't do anything with (including me as a confirmed townie and a DT), and even pointed me to these blues when I wanted to tell someone of my vigi hit. Why would any mafia willingly help me set up this list?
I can't change what you guys believe, but I can't support this either. I think it's a mistake to lynch Shikyo.
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Protecting it over killing a confirmed townie and a DT in one go?
Maybe you are right. That's not how I would do it, and I don't see it as very likely. It is possible though, but not possible enough that I want to use a lynch to find out.
This isn't in my hands anymore though. Just vote what you guys believe in. I think we've all said what he had to say at this point.
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Ok I'm dead tired and it's 4:45 AM here. I'm hitting the sack again. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
After my exam I'm ready to analyze everyone and everything, but I fear it'll be too late.
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Ok, so BWdero was medic.
WHY DID HE HAVE TO BE INACTIVE
damnit
If he had just pmed me his role that wouldn't have happened
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Missing:
clazziquai
ydg
epicdoom
If any of you three read this please PM me your role.
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Shikyo wrote:
So silly ^_^ I request that the time of the posts is changed to such that us living in europe have a chance to change our votes at the end... like tonight I would have. At least I was right about rayne ^_^ And Ra.Xor.2 is mafia, too. As is motbob. And l10f. Sadly, no time to change my vote away so BWdero got lynched. Oh well -.-
Yeah it's such a pain in the ass to get up 4 in the morning to check out the votes.
Suggestion: we let ydg and epicdoom die in a fire get modkilled, and focus on the rest.
I don't see how we can win this now. Maybe if we're lucky on the mafia hits tonight. Like if they all abstain their kills due to pacifism.
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What the hell is up with that killing
I don't understand anything, except that I know we had a medic protection tonight. Judge had already taken a hit (the loose hit on night... 2 was it?) and the mafia knew that. One of our DT's rolechecked The_Master last night so we knew he was townie. kinda too bad he was the one who got picked off.
But on the bright side: Only two kills, no DT or medic lost tonight. Woohoo!
By the way motbob, I'll fill out that voting list more for my own private purposes since I have a pretty large rolelist. I'll see if I figure something out.
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The clues are great, think we have alot to go on there. Crucifix-things are also blatantly obvious in pointing to Ra.Xor.2, who even thought I was mafia (what the hell?). clear lynch.
Btw, the DT's want me to order a hit on I10f, but I have my doubts tbh. Could be miller and I haven't seen any clues pointing to him. what do you guys think?
Are there any other suspects we should rather hit than I10f?
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