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(in case you've forgotten, the "birdy" said that "crepuscular" doesn't point to Jayme) | ||
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Others saw his reaction on day 1 as suspicious; I didn't. This is what I've already said. | ||
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Considering the wealth of names that have been coming up as suspects I'm completely confident. Sure. + Show Spoiler + On the one hand, double lynch tomorrow is the least risk of the town just getting overwhelmed by a mafia bandwagon (especially if Shikyo is red, which gives the mafia two extra votes). On the other hand ... not sure we'll have enough information to out two mafia by the end of Day 3. Waiting till day 4 doesn't doom the town even if we whiff today and Day 3 as long as we have a near-perfect record from there and as long as inactives don't doom us. My first guess is that I'd rather wait but with the way this town jumped down Jayme's throat I'm certainly not positive that's the right choice. If the mafia get just a couple innocents to start a bandwagon then those players don't check back.... + Show Spoiler + Stupid. | ||
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Will post more when I catch up. | ||
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We're 0/1 on it so far this game too. :p (seriously, next post will be after I catch up) | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Somewhere, an adorable cat went hungry. haha @l10f: Start contributing then.  I understand what you mean about the level of play; my offline games were nowhere near as analyzed as this one. @Shikyo: I can't defend Koopie. I thought she'd be a lot more active. She hasn't been. Been a loss to the town for sure. Vote for her if you think she's suspicious. I think she's not, but I understand that no one else has really seen much from her. Re: iLoveKTF I say we wait for iLoveKTF's contribution that he's promised before saying more about him. Yes he's been less helpful than I anticipated. Yes perhaps the "we need as many kills as possible" is a hint that he's mafia. Flipflopping on the medic list doesn't look good. iLoveKTF wrote: @ Jayme's death. Why are you guys so mad/upset about him flipping green. Its not like you suggested anyone else. I did. Hell I even voted for him. In retrospect switching to abstain was stupid, but too late to change that now. At least we have to come up with two suspects tomorrow. If we just fucking bandwagon on day 3.... My advice is to hold off on voting for a while after day 3 begins; I will take a look at the votelist later to see if this is true, but my suspicions are that many people who voted quickly for Jayme did not contribute much if anything to the thread after voting. chaoser wrote: 2) DTs, medics, mouths, get in touch with THE ELECTED, i'm not saying role claim, i mean say you're the mouth or that you have info or something. It's better than us sitting around not doing anything! Don't hint at your role if you do this -_- I don't trust either of them enough to roleclaim. At this point I'd rather just encourage activity in this thread anyway. I'm not working much behind the scenes myself; the few people I've been in PM contact with all initiated it and I've tried to keep as much information public as possible. I don't plan to do lots of PM'ing either ... though if anyone has something they want to tell me in private I will be glad to listen. --- Damn this day was slow ... I really expected more from the town. Even most of the day 1 contributors seemed pretty quiet to me on day 2. Anyway assuming we can find enough contributors to fill out a medic list coming up with one for this night should be a top priority seeing as medic actions are due in <24 hours. I will look through day 2 to see what I think before I go to bed. TODO: Look for clue analysis on Jayme from day1/day2 that is not the "crepuscular" clue. This, however, can wait until tomorrow (real-time). | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv zeks teks ydg SugiuraMidori Hard filling up the list imo. :s Here's Shikyo's earlier suggestion: On May 22 2009 04:57 Shikyo wrote: Medic List: crate zeks teks vx70GTOJudgexv ydg iLoveKTF Basically, I've added ydg because he has been useful to the town, primarily with his clue analysis. Otherwise, the once change was that Jimtudor was removed for obvious reasons. Judge's is identical. Both were made before Midori posted anything day 2 Goodluck in choosing your saves medics. | ||
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On May 23 2009 16:47 Shikyo wrote: Why is SugiuraMidori on the list? Got a better sixth? | ||
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I'm not sure about compressed air causing a windshield to shatter either. However I haven't had time to think about what zeks has posted yet so I am not jumping to any conclusions right away. | ||
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@Qatol: nice rule.  teks wrote: What do I make of this? zeks thinks I'm a possible medic. He sent me the same PM. I want to know how many people he PM'd and what their responses were. + Show Spoiler + (my response) My guess is one of the first three candidates for office is mafia. Also Pawsom is probably just really dumb, but if he's not really dumb he's probably mafia. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: who do you suspect as mafia based on behaviour? teks wrote: What a surprise! He wants a DT to rolecheck "someone" and then roleclaim "safely" to that person. DTs looking for town is bad in general.... DTs want to find blues or (ideally) reds. teks: the problem I have with your analysis is that you seem to postulate that zeks is GF, then take that as an axiom in your posts. "Look at how all this information makes sense if zeks is GF." Since you bring up lack of contributions so much teks--give me a list of every single person who you felt made significant contributions on day 1. And day 2, if you feel up to it. If you want me to do the same, I'll go look back through the topic for you and do it. teks wrote: but the mere idea of suggesting himself for this idea makes this that more suspicious. I agree here. Especially since, as far as I know, zeks hasn't roleclaimed blue. Rolechecking someone who roleclaims towny...? I admit I only skimmed over anything involving DTs earlier and I regret doing that now. Shikyo wrote: And as already mentioned, he hasn't done anything useful, either. You didn't feel like pointing this out earlier? I'll go back over zeks's posts myself when I get time; I didn't get a chance to check TL till, what, 4 PM my time today? Shikyo wrote: I had a fascinating PM conversation with zeks before. I want the timestamps on that convo before I look at it any more. I have no idea when that took place. Shikyo I have a hard time reading your style and I am going to say that right now. I am trying to read past the emotions and get to your actual arguments but I am not finding it easy. I mention this because I manage to get completely lost here: Shikyo wrote: Now, what exactly is this? I would put Jimtudor, my next target, on the list because "mafia might want to have a mixed list maybe"? This doesn't even make any sense! Someone, please explain this reasoning to me. [snip] So let's see. Jimtudor couldn't have been ignored and he needed to be a part of the mediclist? If you remember, people indeed were really suspicious about him and I could have EASILY just said that he was too suspicious. Man, didn't I say this somewhere before? What do you mean no choice? So wait a second! You say that I had no choice but to put Jimtudor on my list. But just a second ago you were implying that it was suspicious for me to have put him on the list? That I might want to have a mixed list? Does this make any sense to anyone else? I will re-read this and try to make sense of it. Right now I am getting lost in your words. zeks wrote: Town is in utter chaos. Massive finger pointing at almost every suspect possible. I don't buy it at all. That second sentence is laughable, unless you really believe that the only suspects possible are you and (perhaps) Shikyo. Just yesterday (real-time) I was decrying the lack of any discussion. Your first paragraph reminds me very much of this, by the way: Adaptability for when the improbable but inevitable happens. Lose nothing unnecessarily. Chinese triangles. zeks wrote: Why would a GF kill people you suspect? http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM We'll see how applicable this is later. zeks wrote: It's [the medic list] just a stupid list of who posts the most And do you have a better criterion, in this game that has a bare handful of people saying anything? teks wrote: As I said early in the thread, I would think that the mafia would take time to organize before running for mayor. Personally I think that any timing after Shikyo's entry is too late for a mafia entry. My support here is about as good as yours, which is to say there isn't really any. Joining the race late is a great way to not get elected, especially in a game with people so willing to vote early and not change votes. If you doubt that our game is proceeding like that, take a look at the voting records from the past two days. teks wrote: I was just remembering someone using the same phrase I was going to use, "posting a lot of fluff and no real content". That was me. I stand by my initial assessment of Shikyo's day 1 posting. teks wrote: I don't want to be lynched. I was stating that not as an ultimatum, but to say that I believe in my case, and to state that I am indeed risking myself by accusing you, someone who actually fights back, as opposed to the inactive ones we have been lynching. imo this doesn't help your case at all. You're using, basically, an emotional appeal here. I am going to assume for a moment that teks is town-aligned and that he wants to win. Case 1: teks is right Argument doesn't matter since we don't have to call him on it. The only possible case would be if teks roleclaimed DT and said that he checked if a certain clue pointed to zeks and got a yes, but he's been denying this. In that case we'd have to lynch teks first anyway to prove he's DT and town (and teks) still loses. Case 2: teks is wrong What does town gain from lynching teks? Nothing. He's suggesting the town hurt itself if he's wrong. In fact town loses by lynching teks and not a better mafia candidate. Now let's look at teks being mafia and wanting to win. Case 1: teks is right and zeks = GF Seems unlikely to me, might be a WIFOM ploy but why sac your GF to keep a regular red safe? Case 1a: teks is wrong but zeks = regular mafia If teks is GF this might make sense since we can't rolecheck him, but still seems an unlikely-to-help ploy. If teks is regular mafia this doesn't make sense to me. Case 2: teks is wrong Now the town does gain from lynching teks. Not a single one of these cases has teks benefiting from calling to be lynched (except maybe the one where teks is GF, but I think that's so unlikely there's basically zero chance it's true). Just ignore his [teks's] call to be lynched please, he's not thinking soundly here. The only cases where this declaration possibly makes any logical (as opposed to emotional) sense are the cases where both zeks and teks are mafia. I don't think they're both that stupid right now. Don't be swayed by emotional arguments people, that's bad for the town. teks please don't make stupid emotional appeals that make no sense logically. I don't want to pick them apart so easily, there's no sport in it. Foolishness wrote: Although he has not directly said it, Shikyo is basically saying "one of the candidates for election has to be mafia. Well, it's not me, I don't think it's JeeJee. JimTudor is dead. Oh! Must be zeks!" Are you forgetting? iLoveKTF and one other person you didn't mention (oh wait I remember now it's YOU) also ran for election. Jimmy's dead so he's cleared. Shikyo and JeeJee can't be cleared. Foolishness, iLoveKTF, and zeks are still alive and unless a DT r/c'd them tonight none have been rolechecked. Shikyo wrote: but I think I'm going to post some more accurate directions for the medics later on. Ah! I get it! You're going to tell them to protect me tonight! ... btw mafia please kill zeks tonight he won't be protected. Shikyo wrote: This post was written before zeks ran for office, meaning that he knew about my plan [rolecheck the losers] all along. hey bro, just so no one forgets, I'd like to point out the timing of when you said we should rolecheck losers. you were the runaway favorite to win sherrif at the time Shikyo wrote: think about this scenario: you're doing it wrong again by assuming he's the gf then making his actions fit your assumption look at his actions and make them prove your assertion --- To add to my previous comment on clues: so no fek wrote: I was merely linking a possible clue with someone suspected because their behavior is pretty far off. This is the wrong way to go about clue analysis. Find stuff you think might be a clue, then find who it might link to. Do not pick a player then go find which clues might link to that player since you're going in with the assumption that that player is red. I realize this discussion is not predicated on clues Shikyo wrote: So, why would the sound not be heard in time? Well, assuming the air compressor, the wind it creates is really strong, since it could shatter the glass. Isn't it only reasonable to believe that it would be able to half the traveling of the sound almost completely? Assuming "half" is supposed to be "halt," the answer here is simply no. I'm no expert on the matter either, but I do know how sound travels; there's no way that an air compressor would be able to halt sound--especially when you consider that the air compressor would not affect the sound traveling in the opposite direction. This clue linkage looks extraordinarily forced to me. | ||
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