EPTOn May 21 2009 09:13 chaoser wrote:
When is night coming?
When is night coming?
isn't it already night? Just waiting for the night roles I think.
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On May 22 2009 04:11 crate wrote: Well good afternoon folks, I'm ready to post some stuff. I'll start with a big group of MSN logs. Koopie is green, and this is why I think so. First one quick comment though: Disagree strongly on the DT. DTs want to stay behind the scenes and find a mouth. Best leaders are the Vet or a regular green towny, since they have no special powers that make the mafia want to kill them anyway. Here's the MSN logs: + Show Spoiler + I think this was on the second 24 hours of day 1 [22:54] Koops: *Poke* [22:54] *** Auto-response sent to Koops: I am currently away from the computer. [22:54] crate: hi [22:55] Koops: Hey. =P [22:55] Koops: I think I suck at the Mafia games, but I'm trying. >_>; [22:55] crate: dont worry, i've pinned a number of players who are clearly bad [22:55] crate: lol [22:55] Koops: Lmao [22:56] crate: i'm going back through the topic right now [22:56] crate: havent gotten to your new posts yet [22:56] Koops: ._. [22:57] Koops: And if you want to play Brawl, I think Alex and my friend Adam want to play, too. [22:58] crate: give me a little bit to finish up the mafia thread [22:58] crate: then ok [22:58] Koops: Mmk [23:00] crate: fyi, my pick for surest town-aligned player right now is iLoveKTF [23:00] Koops: Hey, me too. [23:00] Koops: I'm pretty sure everyone else, too. [23:01] Koops: My latest post is stupid and I regret, but whatever. [23:01] crate: mm, doesnt do much but add confusion imo [23:01] crate: not good [23:01] Koops: Mmhm. [23:02] Koops: Then again I haven't posted too much, so it's not like it would be hard to redeem myself. [23:02] Koops: If I would even need to. [23:02] crate: that post is the sort of post i've been noticing to pin players as bad [23:02] crate: ;p [23:02] Koops: Yes. -_-; [23:03] crate: we'll have more to go on next day [23:03] crate: i'm anticipating a quiet night [23:03] Koops: Day 2 will be more fun. [23:03] Koops: Like I said I hate Day 1. [23:03] crate: day 2 is when we really get to see how players lean --- This was yesterday: I snipped a bit of this because we talk about Brawl a lot since we were playing during part of this. [16:44] Koops: At least the town wants to protect you. [16:45] crate: so i can bounce ideas off of you [16:45] Koops: Yeah, you could. [16:45] crate: well [16:45] crate: here's my guess [16:45] crate: one of the first three candidates for the election is mafia or none of them are [16:46] crate: jeejee's timing seems too late to me for the mafia [16:46] Koops: I think Shikyo is mafia. [16:46] crate: ilovektf is clearly not mafia since he got ZERO support [16:46] Koops: Um, yeah. [16:46] crate: and shikyo has been posting lots and lots of fluff [16:46] crate: so yeah [16:46] Koops: Yep. [16:46] crate: i have him down as the most likely red too [16:46] Koops: And he was bandwagoned from the start.. [16:46] Koops: And then people changed. [16:46] Koops: Just seems like he's mafia. [16:47] crate: he's said extremely little considering the number of words he's posted [16:47] Koops: I know! [16:49] Koops: Well, fun. I figured you out. [16:49] crate: right conclusion, wrong reason [16:50] crate: lmao [16:50] Koops: Rofl. [16:55] Koops: I don't want Jimtudor protected. :| [16:55] crate: if i were mafia there is no way i'd hit him right now [16:55] Koops: I know... [16:55] Koops: It's stupid. [16:56] crate: i think most of the mafia is hiding in the >half of the players who havent said anything constructive [16:56] Koops: Well, definitely. [16:56] crate: its too easy [16:56] Koops: It's the easiest. [16:57] Koops: It blends them into a really big crowd. [16:57] Koops: That's the best possible situation. [16:57] crate: mhm [16:57] Koops: Now, if everyone were active... It would be stupid. [16:57] Koops: But that's not the case. [16:58] Koops: Yeah, he would... [16:59] Koops: Also if I was mafia, I'm sure my clues would be pretty simple to read. ;P [17:00] crate: i do not envy pyr, trying to make up clues for so many players who probably have no profile and so few posts [17:00] Koops: Yeah. [17:00] Koops: I edited my profile because of that. [17:00] crate: heh [17:00] Koops: I even put a picture in there. ;-; [17:00] crate: i see [17:00] Koops: Not of me, but yes. Lol. [17:00] crate: btw i think it's interesting how much more town-favored pyr's setup is than qatols [17:00] crate: same number of players but we have an extra vigi, medic [17:00] Koops: Yeah. [17:01] crate: same number of mafia [17:01] Koops: Honestly I want to see the town win, anyways. [17:01] crate: and sheriff is way more powerful than pardoner [17:01] Koops: Even though being on the mafia would be more exciting. [17:01] crate: my favorite role is townie [17:01] crate: actually [17:01] crate: favorite role would be veteran [17:01] crate: cause its SUPER townie [17:01] Koops: Haha. [17:02] Koops: Okay, again. If I was mafia I would not point out to you that I knew. :< [17:02] crate: i know [17:04] crate: i wonder how much the town really trusts shikyo [17:05] Koops: I know I don't. [17:05] crate: actually [17:05] crate: i guess my big thought is that being able to just look past who is posting is the best [17:06] crate: link the content to the player, not the player to the content, if you get what i mean [17:06] Koops: Yeah, I get it. [17:07] crate: and i do doubt i'm going to die tonight; i'm too obvious a target i think, and unless you're playing me really well, the mafia knows i havent really shown anything dangerous yet [17:07] Koops: Great I mispelled send in my post. [17:07] Koops: To end. [17:07] Koops: -_-; [17:07] crate: lol [17:07] Koops: crate I don't think anyone really suspects you. [17:07] Koops: But I'm sure people think you're with the town. [17:07] Koops: Just my thoughts. [17:08] crate: i have posted really nothing but facts, and a good plan is a good plan either way [17:08] Koops: Because mafia members should seem like part of the town, too. [17:08] crate: its easy to seem like part of our town [17:08] crate: dont say anything [17:08] crate: :p [17:08] Koops: =P [17:10] crate: while i'd be surprised if i die, i would be SHOCKED if you die [17:10] Koops: Yes. [17:10] crate: i really hope people dont roleclaim to shikyo [17:10] crate: or to jeejee for that matter [17:10] Koops: I KNOW. [17:11] Koops: Hopefully they look at them just the same as others. [17:11] Koops: To me they're even more suspcious. [17:11] crate: yeah [17:11] Koops: I can't type [17:11] Koops: -_-; [17:11] crate: anyone running is suspicious [17:11] Koops: Yeah. [17:11] Koops: That's what I had said before. [17:11] Koops: To silly Jimtudor. [17:11] Koops: ;_; [17:11] crate: i hope his clue analysis is as good as he claims [17:11] Koops: Who's the one that said they ran before they looked? [17:11] crate: ilovektf [17:12] crate: all the more reason to think he's not mafia, after the overwhelming show of support he got, lol [17:12] Koops: Yeah. [17:12] crate: he does have some name value; tbh his platform is comparable to jeejee but jeejee had better timing [17:13] Koops: I'd rather have ilovektf but I'd rather have JeeJee over Shikyo. So that's why I voted for him. [17:13] Koops: Wow... [17:13] Koops: I really can't type. [17:13] crate: foolishness must be town, since a mafia playing like that makes no sense [17:14] crate: the town as a whole likes shikyo [17:14] crate: so saying he's shifty at this point only makes you suspicious [17:14] Koops: :S [17:14] crate: hence no mafia would do it regardless of shikyo's alignment [17:14] crate: saying it publicly anyway [17:15] Koops: I'm just waiting for the nigt actions to be sent so we can move on. [17:15] Koops: night* [17:15] crate: heh yeah [17:15] crate: tomorrow it should get interesting [17:15] Koops: Yeah. [17:15] Koops: I really want to see who gets killed. >_>; [17:18] Koops: Aw... why do we have a big chunk of inactives? ._. [17:19] crate: new players who got townie and get bored, then mafia hide amongst them [17:19] Koops: I'd laugh if they were all mafia. [17:19] crate: i guess [17:19] Koops: Lmao. [17:19] crate: idk, i love being townie, like jeejee said [17:28] crate: oh btw now i understand that ":S" earlier; i hadnt read your post when you said it [17:28] Koops: Yes... [17:28] Koops: -_-; [17:28] Koops: It's okay, though. [17:29] Koops: Things can work in a lot of different ways if people at least begin to CONSIDER Shikyo. [17:29] crate: i think your biggest problem is the timing of that post [17:29] crate: you want to wait till day to say those things [17:29] Koops: That's true. [17:29] Koops: But if I was hit [17:29] crate: unless you have some reason to think you're going to die [17:30] Koops: It's kind of safe to say who could be mafia. [17:30] Koops: >_> [17:30] Koops: Also, it could just be me looking like I'm asking an honest question. [17:30] Koops: Who knows. [17:30] crate: you look more like a stupid townie than anything else so far to me [17:30] crate: >_> [17:30] Koops: Ahahaha. [17:31] crate: but not a really stupid townie [17:31] crate: i have a couple of those marked down [17:31] crate: they're really absurdly bad or dumb or something [17:31] Koops: I really just want to know why he put Jimtudor on the list, that's all. [17:31] Koops: There are more important people to the town. [17:32] crate: defend it like that if anyone questions your wording  [17:32] Koops: He doesn't really post, and if he does... [17:32] Koops: It sucks. [17:33] crate: i hope you are town aligned and can pick up on other roles like you sniped mine [18:16] Koops: I got Shikyo to add iloveKTF. [18:16] Koops: I am great. [18:17] Koops: Even though it doesn't mean that much. [18:17] Koops: Lmao. [18:17] crate: heh [18:17] Koops: Oh well, I just wanted to redeem my stupid. [18:17] Koops: .-. [18:17] crate: it's ok; you're not the only one who's made dumb posts [18:18] Koops: Yeah, I know. Take that as you will. She's playing badly for sure, but I think she's just being stupid and I hope she'll stop being stupid soon. (One note of emphasis: don't look at who is saying what when you're reading posts. Look at what's being said, see if it makes sense/contributes anything, THEN look at who wrote it. I said this above but I know half of you aren't going to read the whole convo.) Obviously this dovetails nicely into my suspicions. I'm going to call Shikyo out for his huge volume of words with little to nothing said in them. If you want to convince me you're not a mafia trying to play the town by hiding behind lots of fluff, start making real contributions instead of repeating things that were already said and agreeing with everyone. The mayor position doesn't strike me as a real benefit to the town anyway other than keeping the mayor behind BG protection, and let me tell you I am not convinced Shikyo is worth that BG protection. Regardless of your alignment I think your fluff isn't helping the town any. (After I wrote this I saw your most recent post. Definitely a step up if your targets happen to be good). Right now my dumb players list includes Raxor, Pawsome, The_Master, Koopie (well...), and l10f. Inactives: omG.[RaYnE], clazziquai, motbob, adriix33 (didn't vote, may get modkilled after day 2), SugiuraMidori (claimed quite some time ago he'd be inactive--driving from Tuscon, but that's too long ago, also in danger of modkill), Knutti, and epicdoom My guess is probably half the mafia is among those players. Some of the stupid players are probably just being stupid because they're not reading the whole thread or have no idea what to do or just don't actually think and re-read their posts before they click the button, but even in a newbie game that will only get you so far imo. fuck i'm tired of writing for a bit I'll follow this up in a bit but I need a break from writing for now start making posts with content people there are at least two couple obvious things that people should do to contribute. I'm not going to tell you what they are though since I want to know who is actually thinking in this game and who isn't, and I'm going to do one of them myself soon if no one else does I'm not suspecting you or anything, but why are you so quick to defend Koopie? If she is playing "stupidly" like you say, it wouldn't hurt the town even if she died. (I'm totally against your opinion that she's playing "stupidly") And, I don't think you are red, but I don't think you have the right to call people "stupid." I'm sure everyone here has the intelligence to play this game well, they are just lacking the experience. Therefore you shouldn't call them "stupid players." Well, now that I got that out of the way, I also agree on Jayme AND the double lynch. At this rate, we might not last too long and we need to use the double lynches. Also, the vigis can start acting now and help us as well, as well as DT's. Also about only 2 people dying, my bet is on that they hit a Veteran. Or a medic-protected person. However, since neither the veteran or the medic is role-claiming, it was probably an inactive person that the mafia targeted. Only two people dying is a definitely good results for us, but we better start to get those mafias very soon. | ||
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On May 22 2009 07:30 Shikyo wrote: Actually, most of the "clues" for Jayme seem to be quite weak. Especially the so much talked about "crepiscular" one; Why would the clue about a killer be in that sentence? It makes no sense. Furthermore, the clues are mostly picked from all over the posts. That doesn't make much sense either. People have been linking all kinds of movement, creeping and dark things to that cat, although they could mean so many different things, and it makes no sense to have so many clues pointing at one player. And the python being an ambushing animal seems quite far-fetched. I'm not saying that Jayme is innocent. I'm just saying that maybe you shouldn't bandwagon for him so pointlessly, and maybe think about it for a while. The clues aren't as strong as they seem. That being said, his behavior admittably has been relatively suspicious. Although I still have a bad feeling about all this bandwagoning. Yes, I have a bad feeling about the bandwagoning too. On May 22 2009 08:01 Koopie wrote: I definitely agree with this. Actually, I have been. Which everyone should already know. Can you tell me why you think Shikyo is a mafia? | ||
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On May 22 2009 08:45 Shikyo wrote: Ok. With that vote, I would like to present another suspect: epicdoom. Reason is obvious, but if you want it, highly suspicious voting and he hasn't posted at all. Possibly, or maybe he just voted for the heck of it, because no one's gonna follow him and lynch teks UNLESS he is a mafia and the other mafia vote for teks too, but that would be dumb, like saying "WE'RE MAFIA!" so I don't know I'm confused | ||
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On May 22 2009 08:51 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: Many people have already mentioned that the other mafiaso seems sneaky so i wont go there. However, the one that killed Jim seems to be extremely brutal judging from his repeated blows to the head. This could be a reference to Chaoser (from the chaos in his name), Adriix33 (his quote says lifes a bitch. then you die.), or JeeJee (who's quote mentions fear several times). If I ever wanted to kill someone in my life (which I don't) I think I would hit them in the head, several times. It may be a clue, but in my opinion it's pretty vague. However, if it is one of those three, I believe it maybe Adriix33, because I'm 99% sure JeeJee is clean. | ||
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On May 22 2009 09:00 Shikyo wrote: Most likely he's just a stupid mafia. There's no way a townie would act like that. And if one did, I'd want him dead regardless. So are you suggesting that you want him dead instead of Jayme? | ||
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From Crate's huge post @ page 23(?) On May 22 2009 16:19 crate wrote: I'm guessing this is just a suggestion and not something from "a little birdo"? I'll entertain it for now. I still think it's interesting that he'd played Mafia before but didn't realize that bandwagons were bad for the town. Also didn't quite understand the medic list at first glance, which is also curious. You don't seem to understand how Mafia is played in a church retreat with kids ages 9-17. It usually consists of 2-3 Mafias, medics, and townies, and the debates are more about "I heard him raise his hand next to me during mafia's turn to kill" rather than "bandwagoning is bad" Compared to a game of this caliber, the games I've played required minimal analysis. I find this amusing when based on the amount of vote-swapping going on in the other game. In context it mostly makes sense though since the candidates' platforms didn't really change much over the course of day 1. Lots of one-liner agreement posts (clearly not important) in day 1. If you wanted clarification, I know full well that the people here are all smart enough to theoretically play well and yes inexperience is probably the biggest cause of dumb posts.... Rest of that post is repeating stuff others had said, which doesn't sound too useful to me... Well my analysis so far says he hasn't done much useful (not like half of the players here have...) and I find his lack of inexperience very puzzling considering he's played mafia before. Yes I realize it's not the same IRL as on this forum, but still, not understanding bandwagon = bad? Either he made a mistake and he's not as inexperienced as he claims, or...? [/quote] I can't say anything about that. I have been completely useless to this game, mostly because I'm afraid to speak out with my ideas, and all the good ones are given by the experienced player, so I just agree with them, or state my simple, humble opinion. From tomorrow I'll try to take time to make some analysis as well and contribute to the town. | ||
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On May 22 2009 12:41 JeeJee wrote: My main problem with lynching Jayme is that when the wagon started, there was no voices to stem the tide or shift the suspicion on someone else. Like, literally, 0. This town shouldn't agree on anything unanimously, because like 1/4 of the people here are mafia. I wouldn't be surprised (I'm expecting it in fact) if Jayme flips an apathetic townie. So far the two lynches we have, Jayme and Therapy, both seemed to be a complete bandwagons, with NO mafia interference. Using this idea, we can create a list of players who supported both Jayme and Therapy's lynch (basically the whole town) and expect most, if not all, of the mafia to be there. + Show Spoiler + People who voted for Jayme + Show Spoiler + So no fek vx70GTOJudgexv teks motbob Phelix EsbenPM chaoser ydg Koopie Ra.Xor.2 zeks wurm l10f SugiuraMidori Pawsom People who supported the lynching of therapy, or voting of Shikyo/JeeJee which eventually led to the lynching of therapy + Show Spoiler + Shikyo teks softer Knutti EsbenPM l10f Pawsom omG.[RaYnE] clazziquai Therapy Jimtudor JeeJee BWdero ydg iLoveKTF Jayme Ra.Xor.2 crate zeks The_Master Koopie so no fek Taking out all the dead people, the people that appear on both lists are + Show Spoiler + So no fek teks EsbenPM ydg Koopie Ra.Xor.2 zeks l10f Pawsom Of course, the Jayme vote was obvious that it was going to go through, so some of the mafia could have abstained. | ||
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On May 26 2009 02:25 Shikyo wrote: Third, we have the interesting clue of Koopie's. Well, what do we know about the man who installed the cannon? He's very polite, and gains his target's trust. He also talks. I believe he's the same person as the salesman from Jimtudor's death, so first he does something to gain the target's trust, and then he betrays him, or deceives him. So it should have something to do with deceiving or something along those lines. Whose profiles might match that? I can't find any off the top of my hat right now. I've been thinking about Epicdoom: 1.He rarely posted anything, and didn't contribute much to the town. 2.His quote is "To be the first" yet he's number 31 (last) on the player list. This contradiction might fit the killer that "first does something to gain the target's trust" which doesn't seem like a characteristic for a mafia. 3.Voted for Teks, even though he seems like a confirmed towny. Seems a bit farfetched but Epicdoom is definitely on my top list of possible candidates for mafia. | ||
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11 7 10 6 7 6 7 5 5 5 5 4 3 4 This is so difficult, especially with both millers living. The town has a good chance of winning if Shikyo is not Mafia and we get two mafia kills today. My shot's on chaoser and Ra.Xor.2, but willing to wait for other people's opinions. Some of you think I'm mafia, and I don't have much defence except that the clues that people pointed at me are very loose and weak. We can do it! We just have to get two mafias, and hope that Shikyo isn't one. If he is one, I believe it's too late anyway to change anything. Your call. | ||
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On May 27 2009 14:40 teks wrote: Shikyo isn't mafia. Yet another night went by without him ordering a single hit on any of our DT's, who he knows the identity of. And no way in hell would he come up with that stupid mafia hitlist. Tbh if this is the worst town ever it's probably also the worst mafia ever. haha haven't played others so I don't know, but I'm 100% in for not voting for Shikyo. I'll pm you some people I suspect, can you look into them since I don't have as much information? | ||
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We lynch 0 mafia, the medics fail to protect all 3 hits + Show Spoiler + right now 11 - 7 after lynch 9 - 7 after night 6 - 7 lynching a mafia 6 - 6 after night 3 - 6 = town loss 0 mafia lynched, medic protects two + Show Spoiler + right now 11-7 after lynch 9 - 7 after night 8 - 7 mafia lynch 8 - 6 after night 4 - 6 mafia lynch 4 - 5 after night 2 - 5 mafia lynch 5 - 4 after night 3 - 4 : town loss 1 mafia lynched, medics fail + Show Spoiler + 11 - 7 10 - 6 7 - 6 7 - 5 5 - 5 5 - 4 3 - 4 3 - 3 1 - 3 = town loss 1 mafia lynched, 2 medic protection on first night + Show Spoiler + 11 - 7 10 - 6 9 - 6 9 - 5 7 - 5 7 - 4 5 - 4 5 - 3 3 - 3 3 - 2 2 - 2 2 - 1 1 - 1 1 - 0 = town win ONLY IF SHIKYO IS THE ONE LIVING AT THE END 2 mafia dead, medics fail + Show Spoiler + 11 - 7 11 - 5 9 - 5 9 - 4 7 - 4 7 - 3 5 - 3 3 - 3 3 - 2 2 - 2 1 - 2 1 - 1 0 - 1 = town loss 2 mafia dead and medics save one (or two) + Show Spoiler + 11 - 7 11 - 5 10 - 5 10 - 4 8 - 4 8 - 3 6 - 3 6 - 2 5 - 2 5 - 1 4 - 1 4 - 0 = town win soo + Show Spoiler + For town to win we must either get one mafia, and medics are able to block both hits or kill two mafias, and the medic blocks at least one in the future, while we always lynch mafia. | ||
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On May 28 2009 11:06 Foolishness wrote: I think your lack of response says a lot. Seriously does nobody else agree with me on this? It's clear we got another mafia in the bag. And l10f, you're doing the town a disservice by not voting, it's also kinda suspicious, but I'm pretty sure you are clean. Alright then, I'll just vote for the two I think are mafia. | ||
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On May 30 2009 19:17 Shikyo wrote: You're just really, really stupid, aren't you? If I'm mafia, there's 0% chance I'll ever die. Voting for me is useless whether I'm mafia or not. QFT. | ||
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On May 31 2009 00:34 Shikyo wrote: So, would it be okay if we lynch you? Or do you have anyone you'd rather have lynched? =) Yeah it'd be okay. | ||
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