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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 14 2009 18:05 GMT
#21
sick line up, I am going to try to make my girlfriend play in pyrr's game.
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Last Edited: 2009-05-16 02:20:53
May 16 2009 02:20 GMT
#53
aWESOMEEEe

2 hourzzZ? 10:30 is in 10 minutes here !11 oh well looks like its starting at 12:30 for me. Odd use of mountain time btw.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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May 16 2009 16:04 GMT
#121
On May 16 2009 15:00 L wrote:
Okay. So L is going to do some math because that's what L does.

So we have 30 total people, 1 traitor, 6 mafia total, 23 town. Mafia essentially have 7 total voting power maximum, so town auto-loses when they're under 6 people. In the worst possible scenario, mafia kill 3 per day + 1 mislynch (lets ignore double lynches b/c i'm lazy).

Essentially townie numbers go

23-Current
19-Tomorrow
15-Next day
11-Day 4
7-Day 5

Add in a missed vig hit or missed double lynches and we can be out of the game by day 5. We're essentially obligated to hit correctly on day 2 or 3 or we're in the shitter. We can't fuck around and pretend that day 2-3 are clue gathering days and that we can float until day 4 and suddenly start knocking people out.

What does this mean? ACTIVITY. Don't have anything to say? Think of something. If 5 pages go by and you haven't said anything you are fucking the down in the butt.

I have a feeling people have been a postin' so ima post this, read and then post s'more.


L BRAH, YOU AINT COUNTING IN MEDIC PROTECTION AND VETS.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 17 2009 05:30 GMT
#280
VOTE FOR NEMY

I agree with L, this gambit he is trying is too risky for mafia to try.

I am pretty sure that nemy is not the traitor based on his behavior. The way he has been acting so far does not coincide with what I would deem "Vet game" mafia play. In such a small game risking one mafia that quick is never a smart decision. I think Nemy felt a legitimate threat and that is why he came out.

Now if we elect Nemy and he is a DT the benefits are really good.
He has 3 role checks which he can use to check active people in an attempt to form a town circle and narrow down suspects.

Yes, I am aware there is a traitor and a Godfather, however the Godfather most likely will pose as a medic or a townie which are the easiest roles to fake. However 3 role checks are really valuable this game and could help us all out very much, especially if he pins a mafia. If he role checks and says someone is mafia and we lynch them and they aren't, well we just kill nemy. If he plays like a jackass mafia, well we kill nemy. Its not hard, but I think getting him in a protected role provides us with a decent start. By reading posts I am sure many of you see some of the things that I see. There are a few people posting odd and inconsistent. Nemy does not seem to be one of them yet.

I won't pretend nemy is some godsend sent to lead the town, I have no idea on his leadership skills, I have never to my recollection played a mafia game with him, at least where he played a significant role. But his powers as a DT will prove invaluable in the future. He will gain consults or find out prominent mafia.

I urge people to vote nemy into office. He seems like one of the only secure votes we will have. While his gambit could get him killed or into office, I can assure its a risk the mafia will NOT want to take by risking one of there own role claiming DT.

If he is the Traitor the mafia will kill him anyway because they can't be sure if he is a DT or not. If he gets in and is the traitor we will most likely be able to figure it out pretty quick by lack of any progress. I suspect within 2 days we can kill him and be sure hes the traitor. Yeah it might but us back if he is, but its a worthwhile risk.
I have more reasons which I don't want to list right now.

So once again, Vote nemy
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 17 2009 14:47 GMT
#334
On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote:
Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting.

Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning.

They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up:

All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT.

whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated.

So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh?

haha I couldn't agree more. but yeah with a little behavior analysis we could nail ourselves a couple of maifa in two days



But yeah, back to me never agreeing with you ever.

We always have logic that differs and you said a DT role call has never worked before, the answer to that is a big NO I believe we ended one of callers game because I managed to convince most of the town to lynch your ass. But its okay, not bragging just pointing that out. Although I do believe your inactivity helped me with that (I was actually just the VI and Ace was the GF)

I think NemYs move is more so the act of an over indulgence in self importance. When you are a DT in a game like this it increases paranoia levels and is what I think most likely caused nemy to RC because he felt like people were onto him, whether or not they actually were its the paranoia factor that did it.

and Ace your so wrong, you are saying you KNOW hes mafia or traitor and presented situations of the IF nemy is a DT.

First off, the chance of NemY being mafia is so incredibly low it is almost irrelevant at this point.

Traitor? Well yeah, you have a valid point there.

and if hes a DT you argue that you don't want a rash person/dumb person in that positions. Well I disagree. I don't think he is beyond control or without reason to role call. It seems perfectly reasonable given the situations. Not many DTs and mafia getting them on day one does not seem too good, hence RC and hope for either elected position or medic protection.

Even if we could argue nemy is dumb as fuck, we can't negate the value of his role checks.

Remember your above scenario? Yeah? How the hell are we supposed to do that if we lynch one of OUR OWN DTS? That's kind of amusing. but yeah, with nemy in office he can role check any of your suggested "preferred" office players of you, MTF, or Ver.


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Vote Nemy



also as a sidenote:
[quote=bockit said]But regardless, I think I see where you're going, and yes that does put suspicion on me, however I feel that in this game, a townie is more scared of having a mafia in pardoner position than mafia is scared of having a dt in power. Maybe people disagree with me on this, I'm open to discussion on the topic.[/quote]

No way in hell is the town more scared of a mafia in office as a the mafia is a DT. If a mafia is in office in such an active game hes going to get tagged suspicious on clue and behavior pretty damn fast and we will lynch his ass.

The DT in office provides 3 solid role checks and stability.

Oh and another point at Ace. Yeah I am sure you Ver and MTF would be great in office, but keep in mind MANY people can't determine your alliance yet, so risking you guys in is not as smart, even if you are better players. Nemy is 90% blue. You guys are unknown.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 17 2009 15:26 GMT
#341
incog didn't deny PM conversation did he? Whatever then I still think hes a DT over a traitor and mafia ploy is highly unlikely as said before

Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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May 17 2009 17:15 GMT
#354
Now that I got to read.

Ace, I said not that I wouldn't want a good player in the position, its just I interpreted nemys behavior as that of innocent (most likely) and there is NOT as much behavior for any of the rest of you who are running. I also think the rest of the candidates are harder to read then nemy would be, which was part of my inclination.

I also think the PM shit was a little weak, but was willing to overlook that shit.

and I still disagree that nemy is high probability mafia. Hes either traitor or DT. Mafia would be dumb to risk themselves like this with such half assed shit, especially given the history in previous games of this happening.

And when I said that it seemed perfectly reasonable given the situation I was referring to his paranoia of being found out, not any thng like "Town dying, all or nothng" bullshit. Just that to someone with an arguably very important role would be a little paranoid and jump the gun,
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USA5860 Posts
May 17 2009 17:16 GMT
#356
EBWOP: Although I didn't say it before, I agree if he doesn't get elected he burdans the medics. So if we don't elect him, then just kill him. Either way I am more or less okay with it,
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 17 2009 17:29 GMT
#358
Yeah, I admit I didn't consider the traiter very much but when I did it seemed like a good strategy for him, but I still didn't think you were it. But hey, I could be wrong. I want to see whats up with the people voting for you though :D sounds a little odd.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 04:14 GMT
#559
oh sweet, just finished voting.
Well I pretty confused. On the bright side I get to figure out if I am an ass or a genius about NemY
I wish I remembered him from other games. I just remember thinking he flipped red once.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 04:15 GMT
#560
On May 18 2009 13:07 Tricode wrote:
Holy crap...Nemy is definitely to close for comfort with votes.

not anymore.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 04:16 GMT
#561
EBWOP: While I think nemy is most likely innocent. I don't feel like being wrong and seeings a last second vote push for him and being one of the non mafia jackasses to be part of it.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 04:56 GMT
#578
Yo for the record.

I voted Caller.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 05:28 GMT
#587
Sweet, so I just spend 20 minutes trying to fix my spacebar on this computer while voting for lynch to be posted.

I hope its me!
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 05:38 GMT
#589
Maybe Ver and Ace are arguing somewhere over who to lynch?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 16:51 GMT
#649
Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything.

and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie.

The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with.

To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own.

So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 17:25 GMT
#652
Nemy, relax. Its not a big deal. Just Ace is supposed to be Mr inconsistent infallible logic. But this seems pretty obvious and it escapes him or he ignores it. Sure, you being mafia is possible. Likely? Definitely not.

Nemy you can use your Role Check tomorrow right? If so I think we should make another Medic protect list, and keep nemy among it. I would like Caller or Showtime! to make the list. I don't care which. But I don't want Ace or Ver doing it.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 18 2009 17:48 GMT
#655
Because the medic list can essentially protect more than the number the medic allows. Having a medic list of say 4-6 people when there are only 2 medics means the mafia hits someone in that list and they run the 1/2 1/3 risk of hitting a protected person. It is a mind game in the sense that it makes them think they can't hit anyone in that group because there is a good chance they are protected compared to anyone else.

While the medic list helps medics know who to protect who aren't really paying as much attention as they should be, it also scares the mafia away from a larger group of people.
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USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 02:10 GMT
#1042
well this is sweet, I am on page 38! See you all in 1-2 hours of post reading. But I figure to be safe, vote lynch Ace.
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May 20 2009 17:20 GMT
#1139
On May 20 2009 13:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 11:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
well this is sweet, I am on page 38! See you all in 1-2 hours of post reading. But I figure to be safe, vote lynch Ace.

wut

I gots distracted by seckz I am on page 55 now.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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May 20 2009 17:50 GMT
#1146
well finally done reading. I don't have much to say except I agree. L your being a little too rage even for me I am not too sure about either candidate, but Ace seems almost reasonable by his usual douche standards. I voted Ver and am waiting for the day post. I do believe that you read way too much into Ace support Ver/Mynock. It was basically one line that coincided with his "DON'T ELECT NEMY BECAUSE HES A FUCK FACE MORON, ELECT QUALITY LEADERSHIP"

Do I think if Nemy, Ver, Mynock, and Ace were all guaranteed 100% innocent that nemy would be BY FAR the worst qualified candidate? you fucking bet. I would certainly take a townie ver/ace/mynock over a super cracked out DT/Jack(if there was one) nemy just because they are much more skilled at leading or guiding.

The only reason I wanted to vote for nemy was because I believed his behavior coincided with innocence. I guess I still do, not much to dissuade me either way except his clue check which looked pretty good.

I was having trouble reading Ver and Ace so I didn't want to vote them. That was all.

Ace didn't want a bad player in office, even if he was 100% confirmed innocent (Not saying nemy was) he wanted someone who was a strong leader regardless. Which is why his line referred to supporting the three musketeers over nemy.

that was the logic there, besides that Ace didn't really say much in regards to them. I am sure by tomorrow nemy will be either dead or have a valuable role check to work with.

As for the current situation, Ver is being too quiet, I don't know what the deal is there. But there is also some decent clues towards him with some suspicious behavior. I would have to say decent chance of him being mafia/traitor.

Oh and Ace, I have decided to change my stance on day one DT role calling. I thought you would be happy.

The drama it invokes is barely good for behavioral interpretation because of the views of you and many others of just KILL the suspected DT first. Which the mafia would also agree with. So it doesn't help much assuming MOST people think like that.

In short, if you are a DT, don't fucking role call Day 1. If you are dumb enough to flip up with your behavior and think you give yourself away, don't make it the towns problem and draw definite attention to yourself. Maybe you are just being paranoid. Try to do whatever you can to change teh thoughts of you being DT away from you. Its not that hard so don't be a jackass and cause chaos, which I agree ONLY helps the movie.
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USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 17:53 GMT
#1149
On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?

If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.

If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
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May 20 2009 17:57 GMT
#1153
On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

Show nested quote +
From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.

lol the style change wouldn't even be that much except last time he went APE SHIT INSANE in regards to lynching versatile and we were all like "Seriously, calm the fuck down" then he disappeared for 4 days and turned out he was mafia.

Maybe he decided just not to shut up this time and that was the change? Who knows.

I also find it odd how many people just remained voted on Ver the entire time during the election considering he never really spoke at all.

I figure we compare that with how many people just stayed the voting for Ace list.

That is of course if Ver is mafia.
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USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 18:03 GMT
#1161
On May 21 2009 02:56 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?

If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.

If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.


1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can.

2. And if they're both mafia?



There is only like 3 people not reading/posting/voting actively. Using people who get bored like that are most likely town not the only vigi who when he makes his hit can tell us and we can figure out how qatol makes his clues.

Also 0cz3c stop posting retarded 1 liners. Your just posting enough for us to not look at you as inactive but never contributing much. Its just suspicious, although I will admit usually its a nice comic relief amid the arguing of Ace and L. I also think that you reinforced Ace's idea for role checking candidates is your way of just kind of laughing as you basically tell the town "ROLE CHECK ME! I am mafia" Its a type of arrogance to be able to say "Hey come on, I am mafia!" but are just blending in so well that we don't even notice, even though you are practically shouting it from the rooftops.

On May 21 2009 02:56 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?

If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.

If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.


1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can.

2. And if they're both mafia?


Ace will eventually do more shit that is not beneficial to the town and we will kill him too. Its simple. He can't pardon himself.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 18:07 GMT
#1164
On May 21 2009 03:05 Ace wrote:
Ver and I are both Mafia

Vigi - kill L tonight.

HE ADMITTED IT! AND HE WANTS US TO WASTE TEH VIGI HIT!

scum
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 18:27 GMT
#1166
Oh and to follow up on my post about 0cz3c and in regards to the death of BOTH BG's

While the leaking both is possible but unlikely. Here is what I think is more likely. One of them was leaked and the other was behavior killed. That seems most reasonable on how BOTH BG's could die in a single night.

Now how the leaking could of gone about, I don't know. But if I had to guess I would say that Lucas might of been leaked. Lets just pretend for a minute that 0cz3c is indeed mafia. Lucas is his twin brother. 0cz3c could of either went on his account/computer and saw his role or maybe lucas thought he could read his brothers play style and said his role.

Mikeymoo was trying to stay out of the spotlight which might of got him pinned as a blue. Seems reasonable enough, doesn't it?

Just keep in mind 0cz3c's posting behavior as I stated earlier, along with the possibility of role leaking from his brother. In a veteran game if you don't think many will get tricked into revealing there roles, whats the most logical reasoning after that? It is against the rules but we can't prove it and its just modest speculation on my part.

I think this is the most reasonable account of how both BG's could have died, which would also implicate a mafia.

If lucas really suspected Ace/Ver of being traitor/mafia or something, he wouldn't tell them his role.
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May 20 2009 18:40 GMT
#1169
wait, did you just call me mafia?

lolwtf? It also opens the option of why if a mafia is in office they would kill 2 BGs. It was an accident. Only purposely hit one. If mafia know BGs and have someone in office they sometimes do that because it gives them the ability to just quick kill the other BG later in the game and then get the other elected official.
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May 20 2009 19:52 GMT
#1176
Hmm, I guess what I said earlier could also implicate Ver a little bit? Hes really good at blue sniping and could of thought that Mikeymoo was a medic. I think a medic and a BG would have similar behavior. While a DT would try to subtly reveal his information and hope not to get noticed for what he is, a medic has to do that but not reveal information. The same with a BG. They try not to get hit.
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#1177
EBWOP: Once again, that is just pure speculation.
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May 20 2009 20:31 GMT
#1182
On May 21 2009 05:24 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +

Vigi - kill L tonight.

Seconded.
Just a side note that L did the exact same thing as mafia last game.
it was quite hilarious how he never got caught though XD

lol I am pretty sure I said this on the last page.

Or I was thinking it as I was typing.
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May 21 2009 03:27 GMT
#1333
On May 21 2009 11:09 MTF wrote:
O, and seeing as you're looking for voting stuff, look at the current situation:

Ver's Mayoral Voter List:

BloodyC0bbler
Caller
Scaramanga
Mynock
0cz3c
dreamflower
RebirthOfLeGenD
Vivi57
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Incognito <-- from Showtime
Malongo <-- from Ace
LucasWoJ

Ace Current Lynching List:

L
nemY
dreamflower
Amber[Light]
Bockit <-- from Ver
Plexa
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Plexa
Scaramanga <-- from Ver

Italics are overlapped. Dreamflower has only ever posted in the thread to defend herself and Scaramanga has been even more inactive, yet they both voted in Ver and are both gunning for Ace.

If Ver is Mafia and some of those who voted for him also are, and now they want to switch over to Ace, they're doing a pretty poor job of it right now.

I am a couple of pages back, but for the record.

I voted Caller.
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May 21 2009 04:50 GMT
#1473
Fuck.
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May 21 2009 04:51 GMT
#1474
THIS IS CLEARLY MALONGO's FAULT.

Also, fucking Vigi 0cz3c.
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May 21 2009 04:51 GMT
#1475
I am tired of his "I am going to write but not get noticed" post style.

You must die mafia scum.
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May 21 2009 05:04 GMT
#1481
Alright, whatever. Chin up town!

Lets take some notice of some of the weird shit in voting. If somehow Ver is not red or traitor, or god knows what the fuck.

Here is the mayoral vote compared with the current vote. Something odd I noticed was how stationary Ver's voters were considering the odd way the mayoral race was playing out. Almost all of Ace's votes changed around, only MBH never changed who he was voting for. The rest did.

Ver however had like 6 votes throughout the ENTIRE election. Now lets look which Ver voters seemed to have pushed this last vote.

Mayor voting.
On May 18 2009 13:31 Qatol wrote:Ver - 8
-------
BloodyC0bbler
Caller
Scaramanga
Mynock
0cz3c
dreamflower
RebirthOfLeGenD
Vivi57
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Incognito <-- from Showtime
Malongo <-- from Ace
LucasWoJ


Lynch voting.
On May 21 2009 13:35 Qatol wrote:
Ace - 14
Caller
0cz3c
L
nemY
dreamflower
Amber[Light]
Bockit <-- from Ver
Plexa
BloodyC0bbler <-- from Plexa
Scaramanga <-- from Ver
Ver
Ver
Ver
Caller <-- from MTF
RebirthOfLeGenD
Incognito <-- from BloodyC0bbler
infundibulum
Tricode



Among those several people match up to having voted both.

The biggest is infundibulum. During voting mayor voting he NEVER changed off of Ver.
During this lynch vote, he voted Ace last second in order to be one of the votes that turned the tide to kill Ace.

Scaramanga who was one of the later votes on Ace, as well as one of the solid votes on Ver during the election.

There is also Dreamflower who is a self proclaimed Vigi who voted for both without wavering.

BloodyCobbler also voted without changing for Ver as well as voting for Ace to be lynched.

that is all. Maybe I will make another list with colors later.

Infundi should be a primary lynch target next round, considering this and clue linkage.
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May 21 2009 05:26 GMT
#1484
I guess that is true. I can't remember the clue on you anyway. But yeah, I am waiting. I still has mah suspectzz.
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May 21 2009 15:14 GMT
#1529
yeah, I was about to say I suggest we vigi hit 0cz3c.
Ver's analysis's are usually pretty good and I believe he said all of 0cz3cs above mentioned people are MOST LIKELY innocent. Except me, who he wasn't sure about.

0cz3c, before I even saw his list I thought you were suspicious.

0cz3c's behavior becomes slightly difficult to read because in 3/5 games he was acting retarded (if you were in the games, you know what I mean) and as Ver said before, I suspect that the mafia were lying low for most of the game and just watching us hang ourselves.

You posted just enough to not be viewed as inactive, just enough to not help at all, and just enough to fuel some fires. In previous games you did everything you could do to be noticed. Now that you are mafia amid all the sheer chaos that has been going on the last two days, you just tried to stay away from it.

Unfortunately the votes list really don't help us because they were both fucking town :/ So that post on page 75 means almost nothing. Now it seems you are trying to start a new wave of shit when NemY can finally try to use his role check within 24 hours if he is a DT, Caller (according to Ver) is most likely innocent. I don't really know, but not much stood out to me.

and me, the person who accused you a few pages back and I guess is any easy suspect considering my Zerg rush on to Ace? Who knows. Either way they were both innocent, which makes me feel better about being dumb and guided by the chaos, but also makes the town more in trouble.

So L, where are you going from here? I am curious. I think the vigi should just hit 0cz3c. It seems reasonable.
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May 22 2009 01:09 GMT
#1584
1 0cz3c shut the hell up. I said I suspected you a while before I posted that. Coincidentally I posted my thoughts on you AGAIN right after your 3 word post on me. I am at work right now, when I get home sure we can argue.

I admit I was considering you for the vigi hit earlier, but I figure there isn't much clues on you (You don't give much to work with) but we will see if anything more pops up. Theres a chance that theres nothng too distinct yet.

But for now I am okay with the MBH vigi and getting info from nemy.
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May 22 2009 01:11 GMT
#1586
EBWOPZ: I have a suspect list of four people, Right now I can only remember having Scara, 0cz3c and MBH.
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May 22 2009 05:16 GMT
#1634
lol Caller if you are indeed mafia that is the most interesting last words I think were possible, whether it be a taunt or a red herring

Also 0cz3c I had no idea you were capable of a coherent thought. Holy shit, after this post I am going to have to bring my A-Game if I still think you are suspicious. I was at work and I was distracted by a customer, I believe my second line was my second point. The keyboards there are also at a funny angle so my sentence structure looks different.

You can actually substantially notice the differences if you actually read other games, since I play at work usually 10% of the time. They usually involve less words and seem rushed compared to rest of the things I write. Also way more typos because they don't use Mozilla, they use IE

Your also still acting weird, you just accused me, BC, and bockit of being mafia when we said we suspect you and began to lash out. Whatever, lets wait for this beautiful day post.

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May 22 2009 05:17 GMT
#1635
Ebwop: Free translations suck for Latin.
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May 22 2009 05:41 GMT
#1639
oh shit.

So red herring or arrogance? " I curse zoidberg" futurama reference as well as 0cz3c's boat quote.
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May 22 2009 05:47 GMT
#1643
Seeing no recourse, infundibulum pointed a single finger towards the freezer. The larger man nodded and moved in that direction. infundibulum let out a sigh of relief before realizing the smaller man's attention had never left him.


LYNCH CHILL
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May 22 2009 06:12 GMT
#1650
ohem.

I see clues towards MBH. Feel free to second guess this. Now if we look at the clues linking to dreamflower. It used her name because there was not much else to work with I am assuming. MBH is the same.

If you notice there is a SMALL MAN who snaps FINGERS Small could be refer to a baby, man is just usually how mafia are depicted but hey what not say it means Mr and hes snapping fingers could relate to hands.

That seems pretty solid to me. Here are the supporting quotes.

Day 3 post:
The two strange customers entered the kitchen, startling infundibulum and finally separating him from his spot in front of the stove. infundibulum was slowly backing away, trembling, when the larger one spoke again.

"Where did he go?"

Seeing no recourse, infundibulum pointed a single finger towards the freezer. The larger man nodded and moved in that direction. infundibulum let out a sigh of relief before realizing the smaller man's attention had never left him.

"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..."

The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.


Morning 2
Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.


the next trend seems to be a man whose face you can't see. Qatol seems to be taking things from profiles, although I am still a little last with his syringe hints at Caller.

This is pretty weak but it is some food for thought. In Amber[LighT]'s picture you can never see his face, just his chin. There is a reoccurring theme of someone who cannot be seen.

Morning 3 post
L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.


Morning 2 post
Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others. Qatol looked up to see his attackers. The satisfaction on their faces was as plain as the horror that must surely be on his own. They slowly drifted away as he was ripped apart. The sharks feasted. The town waited.


I am looking for more ways to interpret this quote, but that is all I have. I am also going to look for who the violent running into could relate to, I am unsure. Seems like it will be easy to look soon enough.

Oh and the pic from Amber's profile is this:
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May 22 2009 06:14 GMT
#1651
Back to reading and interpreting.
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May 22 2009 07:01 GMT
#1653
Hey guys, are we voting for another double lynch as well?
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May 22 2009 16:14 GMT
#1660
On May 23 2009 01:04 Scaramanga wrote:
Oh man i compleatly forgot aboutmaifa for a day, great
can someone shorten down whats happened?

we killed both our elected officials in an attempt to figure out which one was red and what would explain the death of both BGs, we argued for 50 pages (mainly just Ace and L) about what to do and who to kill and how to do everything.

We ended up lynching Ace. Who flipped green, then Ver Modkilled himself and he was a Veteran.

We were all kind of like GRRRARRRRFUCK WHAT THE FUCK?

then we started reanalyzing things. L noticed that Caller was mafia somehow, we have no idea how and hes too dead to tell us. Caller says some shit,t he day post goes up, L infund, dreamflower get killed by mafia. and DreamFlower vigi kills Caller who was red. L was the last medic. I wonder who he protected.

Now we are deciding lynch candidates. I made a clue analysis linking mbh, mbh posts about his insane analysis that we are all still waiting for.

that is about it.
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May 23 2009 13:20 GMT
#1732
I will catch up when I get home, but for now I voted for mrbabyhands and vivi57 hoping that that clue matches up to at least one of them. I feel like the clue could apply to either one of them. Although the Vivi57 one might hold more weight, I am unsure. Not much to work with mrbabyhands. Plus his information isn't as valuable if he sent it to two other people, so they can always post it too.
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May 24 2009 00:38 GMT
#1775
On May 24 2009 09:03 HeavOnEarth wrote:
some clues
Day 3

quote]
larger man


tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab.



L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head.

So, blunt object , and unable to identify where the attacker's face is(DT ?) and a rather large man


The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.


something about fire or magic?
-----

Day 2

Two intruders entered the house, unnoticed


The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat

possibly DT(dark templar) for someone's symbol(?)
----
Day 1

Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest.

another DT reference(?)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=nemy
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=vivi57
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Malongo

the 3 who have DT's for icons.

and yeah dreamflower killed caller.

[/QUOTE]

Thanks, you clarified this even more for me.

Vivi57 is definitely mafia.

snapped his fingers and turned him into flames.

This is referencing Vivi's magic powers in final fantasy as someone else noted earlier (I believe MTF?)

The stabbed in the throat referencing DT. Vivi57 icon is DT.

In summation, kill Vivi57, cut mafia KP. Win life.
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May 24 2009 07:07 GMT
#1991
Was the caller emotion clues supposed to be a link to his profile picture of the I am afraid of chinese people, afraid being fear an emotion? Also why the hell is amber a sheep? lol I was suspicious of like 4 of those mafia, but 2-3 of them were off bad clue interpretations. There was some mention of light which I thought could refer to Amber. I remember Vivi's behavior stuck out then MTFs clue interp confirmed it for me, its a shame I didn't stick with what I though earlier in the thread "Kill both people the clue can refer to" which I thought was vivi57 and MrBabyHands. That would of been an epic lynch.

I found it odd that MrBabyHands didn't want to release all his information, it seemed like an excuse as to why he didn't want more BS interpretations, considering we had no medics it was stupid to wait. He also didn't vote for double lynch, which we needed.

This game was crazy and bad, but I actually feel like I learned something about clue reading and behavior from this game:D Its a shame Ver quit like that though.
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May 24 2009 07:09 GMT
#1992
Oh and thanks a lot LTT and Qatol. Those were amazing day posts and you guys did an incredible job and keeping the game fun and active while maintaining a solid game flow. I hated when other games would have like a 6 day gap between day and night posts. Made me wnat to kick the shit out of a baby.
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May 24 2009 19:19 GMT
#2055
yeah I said it before, I won't even deny it. This game I was such a sheep. I kept getting sucked into band wagons and just played poor. I don't think the Veteran idea was bad, we had all actives which was good. It required the mafia not to feign inactivity.

I think everyone just took Veteran out of context. Assuming it meant we were all world class players, when we know that is not true. Veteran just meant we all actually liked playing and posted and played and rarely if ever said "fuck it, im not playing" which we all got pissed about with 15 inactive in a 60 person game. We usually blamed that, this time it was our own shit.

I agree with Ace. A lot of us need to read more objectively when reading posts. Admittedly even if I did, the Ace/L argument was insane and you were both innocent which made it harder. But I will say this, I never read BCs analysis's because I thought they sucked after I read part of one. I think I need to remember that Hanlon's razor does not apply in mafia ever. Even if it does, exterminate stupidity.
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May 25 2009 15:58 GMT
#2094
Tricode and L, calm the fuck down. Who the fuck cares who did better? We all sucked for the most part. You are basically arguing over whose shit stinks the least.

oh and I probably wouldn't of lynched 0cz3c if he didn't try the bodyguard role claim and mod kill himself. It seemed like a mafias stupid attempt to say alive. Until then I thought MBH clue analysis sucked.
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May 27 2009 15:32 GMT
#2119
On May 26 2009 08:59 0cz3c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2009 00:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Tricode and L, calm the fuck down. Who the fuck cares who did better? We all sucked for the most part. You are basically arguing over whose shit stinks the least.

oh and I probably wouldn't of lynched 0cz3c if he didn't try the bodyguard role claim and mod kill himself. It seemed like a mafias stupid attempt to say alive. Until then I thought MBH clue analysis sucked.



Heh. I didn't try the bodyguard roleclaim (not entirely sure about what you're talking, however).

("Wouldn't have" by the way)

:D My bad English grammar isn't a strong suite of mine, but at least I try

and I meant Veteran, didn't you try to come out and say that, or am I remembering wrong?
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May 27 2009 15:43 GMT
#2120
Amber, you attribute it to dumb luck (which apparently it was) and as the town we looked at the statistic probability of them both dying, it was something like 1 in 680? I can't remember. With those odds we had to assume that they leaked to someone, even though I couldn't see mikeymoo doing that but I don't know much about lucas.

From our perspective they had to leak to someone to make it even possible, at least one of them. The dumb luck scenario required well, way too much dumb luck.

So we decided to purge the office of red.

There was no red.

Fuck.

That is basically what happened. If you can't see how that fucked the town over, then you need to think more. Combine that with the random ass infinity21 lynch as opposed to 1/2 mafia and we were like "Wtf? Something is not right in there"

A lot of bad luck plagued the town and turned us stupid. If those two things didn't happen, if you hit any other blue this game might of gone different.
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May 27 2009 20:51 GMT
#2126
lol I remember that. Ugg Ver, if only you just killed amber and one of the BG's didn't die.

That would of been sweet.
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#2129
wait what the fuck? Me and Ace agreed?
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